Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!

[klebian]

I thought that I was already replaced in this game.....Hjallitti you can replace me...I think it'd be best for this game...

You think it'd be best for the game if you were replaced? You mean best for this game to be abandoned or something? You're active on the site, and there's not much to read in this game, it shouldn't be too hard to get posting again.

[klebian]

Any sort of bandwagon which sparks some conversation is welcome at this point.

What do you think of the rw miniwagon

I still support it for the record.

Ross, I don't agree that your lurking would make the wagon go away. In fact, if you were to lurk, and ignore a wagon on you, this would probably make it grow.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

to all the people who are voting for me, i think it says something to my innocence that I'm still here posting and defending myself when it would be so gosh-darn easy for to slip into lurking and let the whole thing blow other.

It might have blown over before. I hope it doesn't now.

[Crub]

Any sort of bandwagon which sparks some conversation is welcome at this point.

What do you think of the rw miniwagon

I still support it for the record.

Ross, I don't agree that your lurking would make the wagon go away. In fact, if you were to lurk, and ignore a wagon on you, this would probably make it grow.

I don't know what to think of it. I'm not jumping on if thats what you're asking.

unvote

Nothing happening there.

[klebian]

well i was hoping it might 'spark some conversation'

[Crub]

I understand But I just don't get that much of a scummy "feel" from him, newbie yes, scummy not so much.

[Hjallti]

killa seven

replaces

dramamoose

, effective now.

[Hjallti]

Disiple Slayer didn't pick up his prod and will be replaced. The other three did pick up their prod but didn't answer it. (JDodge, tyhess and dead scilent)

[Shanba]

I'd give jdodge a few days. He'll probably get round to posting soon.

Welcome to the game, killa seven. Are you scum?

[killa seven]

thanks for having me.. ima skin through the thread and see whats goin on

[RossWilliam]

ok....give us a rundown once you finish. let us know what you think

[Hjallti]

neko2086

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Ripley

, effective now.

[neko2086]

Hello, I should be able to get a good reread done fairly soon. In the meantime, if you have any questions for me, ask away.

[neko2086]

Ok, did a reread, made some notes. Here are my initial concerns. Sorry for the length, have lots to say.

Skitzer-- pg 4, randomly asks OpposedForce who he thinks is most suspicious. I'm not sure what it is exactly about this that makes me nervous. This could very well be a buffer making sure suspicion stays elsewhere, posting to seem active. Note he doesn't do this, himself.

JDodge does something similar. He asks

Will everyone please state whether or not they think a DS policy lynch is a good idea. I will answer this question after everyone else has.

This isn't incredibly impressive. Again, asking others to do something he won't do himself. He says he will later, but that seems a bit convenient. He could make a call after he gets the general opinion. What's worse, though, is that he never does make a call. Unfortunately, it appears that he may not be coming back, so who knows if we'll get an explanation.

TSN says

I'm not sure what to do about DS. Ignore him? Lynch him? I can't get any kind of an actual read on him, and maybe that's the point. If so, I sort of want to lynch him on principle.

Besides the policy lynch idea (which doesn't seem like a very pro-town idea), it shows that TSN wants to hear the general opinion on DS before casting his own judgment. It sounds like he wants to go with the flow (Shanba spoke about this quite a bit already).

He goes on to say on pg 5

I don't actually want to policy lynch him. I've just had two day 1's in a row with the clown, and I'm tired of him.

This sounds vaguely like an argument for a lynch regardless of whether he's town or scum because he's annoying. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted this.

Another quick note on skitzer--he says on pg 5

For all we know, anyone could be a doc.

This is a classic example of active lurking--posting for the sake of posting without contributing anything useful. Active lurkers make me very wary, thus,

FOS: Skitzer

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TSN later has this to say about shanba and phate taking opposite sides

in my own defense, I will point out that I'm not the only one refusing to take a position

So, riding the fence, being wishy-washy, and going with the flow are considered townie behaviors? I would agree that hasty voting is best avoided, generally, but it is incredibly important to be critical.

FOS: TSN

Pg 7, quick note: RW starts to make me uneasy when he backs of shanba easily

TSN, after saying he'll keep his vote on RW without explaining why and asks everyone to discuss it, says

Running the substantial risk of pulling a DS, I did something slightly unusual in the hopes of sparking discussion.

DS was consistently inconsistent, meaning he made very deliberate unusual moves in order to get some sort of reaction (or maybe it's just a scum gambit, but I highly doubt it). You, on the other hand, have decided to just jump into this role, using DS's behavior as an excuse. I'm not particularly impressed.

TSN later says (unrelated to previous quote)

Well. . . we could lynch an inactive player.

IMO, lynching before all players are active is usually a bad idea. lynching an inactive player is a terrible idea as much less information is gained.

An active lurker, as I've stated before, is much more dangerous than an inactive. Thus, Crub, for instance, who has posted very little of substance, would be a better lynch than an inactive. An even better thing, though, would be to hear something from Crub first.

Final note--RW says

to all the people who are voting for me, i think it says something to my innocence that I'm still here posting and defending myself when it would be so gosh-darn easy for to slip into lurking and let the whole thing blow other.

posting for the sake of posting does not make me feel better about you (see above).

FOS: RW

These, of course, are initial thoughts and notes, and as I do more rereading I may catch something I missed before. I'll also have specific questions for people as well. A good start would be for TSN, though. He sticks out the most.
Do you have any opinions of your own that you are willing to share, TSN?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Besides the policy lynch

(again, not my words)

idea (which doesn't seem like a very pro-town idea), it shows that TSN wants to hear the general opinion on DS before casting his own judgment. It sounds like he wants to go with the flow (Shanba spoke about this quite a bit already).

This sounds vaguely like an argument for a lynch regardless of whether he's town or scum because he's annoying. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted this.

That's not terribly inaccurate. Whatever desire I had to lynch him was based on him being anti-town, which is not necessarily the same thing. . . but its a bit of a jump to both say that I was refusing to take a position on a ds lynch (which, admittedly, I kind of wasn't) and also saying we ought to lynch him whether or not he was scum or town.

As for the rosswilliam vote: I was being a little facetious with that line. I was going to vote for him, then noticed I actually already was because he replaced for someone I was voting for. This amused me a little. You don't have any comment on me then explaining my vote a whole three posts later.

And when five players have posted in two weeks, it might be time to take unusual steps to get the game moving. But as we're getting replacements in, I'll say I still support a ross lynch. Anything else?

[RossWilliam]

i've become increasingly frusterated with this game, between the slowness, and my blatant disability to defend myself properly. Everything I'm saying at this point just digs me into an even deeper hole. I could chalk it up to being new, but than I'll just come off as fishing for sympathy. I'm not succeeding in this game at all. at this point i'm this close to just accepted my fate as the next lynch, but i'm not there yet. ask me anything, i'll explain anything, it's so frusterating to lack the abilities to properly convince. So throw me a bone, i'll do my best.

[Crub]

Lulz. I find it amusing you can pick anyone out as actively lurking in this game.

It's very hard to have a meaningful conversation in this thread when there is on average less than 2 posts per rl day.

This sounds vaguely like an argument for a lynch regardless of whether he's town or scum because he's annoying. Please correct me if I've misinterpreted this.

I will comment on this, because considering until pretty recently I was still on DS. I don't think it would have been a "big" deal if we mis-lynched on day 1 with DS. Firstly because if the game was active and there was discussion, there is generally a fair amount of information from that discussion for later in the game. Secondly the positioning of people on the bandwagon gives us more information, and Thirdly, DS as a player is a VI. Even if he does turn out to be town, the town is always going to be WIFOM'd into wanting to lynch him later in the game. Getting rid of unhelpful players does help our cause even if they do turn out to be town because we can go back later and look at the bandwagon and discussion.

Anyway now that I've said that it doesn't really apply to this game anymore because our VI has flaked

[JDodge]

unvote, vote: RossWilliam

[neko2086]

Contribution from Crub=good, but I need to argue something, here. VI or not, I am of the opinion that it is never excusable to lynch a townie. This, of course, is debatable, but I just think that "well if we're right, yay, and if not, oh well, they weren't helpful" is not and should not be a dealmaker when considering a VI lynch.

I'll admit I haven't been looking at dates of posts, so if there are timing factors I may not have considered, as Crub and TSN suggested, I'll look at those again. I think active lurkers can be picked out, regardless. As for TSN, I can see how you would want to get discussion going, but I'm not sure that would be the best way to go about it... For example, I just FOSed three people and two of them have responded within a couple hours. Anyway, that's all I had for now, but I'll be watching you.

Had a comment for RW, but I'll wait.

[RossWilliam]

neko, i'm online, and ready to answer now. I see no reason to wait.

[neko2086]

I was just curious if you were going to react to JDodge's vote in any way.

My only comment was that your lynch is not inevitable, so you might do yourself a favor and chill out a bit, which, it appears you have momentarily.

I assume JDodge will explain his vote at some point. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't.

[Shanba]

unvote, vote: RossWilliam

ESP or bandwagoning, Jdodge?

neko: thanks for replacing in. Killa seven: have you read the thread yet?

Not feeling the RW bandwagon atm. He reads more new than scum.

[JDodge]

unvote, vote: RossWilliam

ESP or bandwagoning, Jdodge?

neko: thanks for replacing in. Killa seven: have you read the thread yet?

Not feeling the RW bandwagon atm. He reads more new than scum.

a little mix of both

[killa seven]

unvote, vote: RossWilliam

Killa seven: have you read the thread yet?

Not feeling the RW bandwagon atm..

im trying threads kinda slow, most posts are complaints about it being slow lol, and a quick question yes im a newbie but what does rw bandwagon atm mean?

[neko2086]

RW= RossWilliam
bandwagon= when a bunch of people are voting for a person
atm= at the moment

I would suggest reading through the wiki-- there's a newbie guide you'll want to read. It also has common abbreviations on the site. I'd also recommend reading through another game. Read a finished one so you can see how things work. You should probably also join a newbie game. They're designed to help new players get a handle on games.

Afterwards, if you could read through this game again and provide some input on what has happened so far, it would help get things moving here again.