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[Fro99er]

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Transcend (1): Creature
Eddie Cane (1): Chickadee
Chickadee (4): Fykus, keyenpeydee, Eddie Cane, Umlaut
Umlaut (3): Firebringer, Transcend, aronagrundy

Not Voting (4): gerryoat, PeregrineV, Avagantimos, LicketyQuickety

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-04-27 15:00:00)

[Eddie Cane]

there's no chance a joat like that exists in this setup. the fn claim is so we don't lynch her todsy. the commuter is planning ahead. this is basic scumonomics

[PeregrineV]

So if they have a ninja, then that basically means town has a universal backup, which would bring total town PR's to 6. I don't know much about large games but wouldn't that be too much power in towns hands, especially without mafia having a RB to counter them? Or would it be possible for scum to have a ninja and a RB?

Just because a role is listed in the semi-open part does not mean it cannot also be in the closed part.

[Eddie Cane]

it could be but it very likely isnt.

[PeregrineV]

One role in each pool

One role is mafia

Uzi flipped gs

Maf is either Ninja or rb

If ninja there's a town ub

If there's rb there's either a bp bg or a doctor.

We went over this and if scum have a role blocker, why wouldn't they just block Uzi?

Why block him over killing him?

[Umlaut]

A kill on a known PR is more likely to fail than a block on same.

[Umlaut]

Also more likely to get scum caught, unless they have a ninja.

[PeregrineV]

Wait, are Chickadee and Eddie Cane on different neighborhoods?

Eddie lied about a neighborhood.
Chick failed to neighborize someone.

Failed?

[Umlaut]

What happens with UB when there are simultaneous PR deaths? Is it deterministic or random?

[Umlaut]

Just because a role is listed in the semi-open part does not mean it cannot also be in the closed part.

This I agree with.

[Eddie Cane]

random. our ub if we have one will be 50/50 weak vig and gunsmith. if it is weak vig we will know tomorrow as someone will be shot though.

[PeregrineV]

My possible actions are as follows (all 1 shot):
commuter
friendly neighbor
neighborizer - which I successfully used on Uzi, but he died, so it was useless. I say successful, because the neighborhood exists. I can post there if I want, but Uzi can't on account of being dead and all.


So yes, I would say that those abilities are based mostly on self preservation.


I'm not a miller.
I'm not a newbie either. Just because I haven't played much here, does not mean I'm a newbie, and I wish people would stop saying that. I've played for eight years. I feel like everyone is scum reading me because I'm new

here

. This entire game has just been "Nah, this is their meta, end of story."

The hood appeared last night, but Uzi didn't post anything, or did it not appear until this morning?

[Fro99er]

random. our ub if we have one will be 50/50 weak vig and gunsmith. if it is weak vig we will know tomorrow as someone will be shot though.

Random is not necessarily correct. From the wiki:

"If the game has multiple killing roles with potential for multiple power role deaths, then the mod must resolve which killer strikes first."

If there is a Universal Backup, it gives the mod the power to determine the kill resolution order. If there is a UB, and multiple PRs die at the same time, I will have resolved things following Natural Action Resolution, then other common sense ordering, relying on randomness last.

[PeregrineV]

It's so bad that i could probably eat a poo and not taste anything.

Never tried, but I'm just going to assume gross flavor

Like porta-a-potty flavored jelly beans.

[PeregrineV]

there's no chance a joat like that exists in this setup. the fn claim is so we don't lynch her todsy. the commuter is planning ahead. this is basic scumonomics

A better claim would be a bunch of useful stuff that would stop her from being lynched (doc, cop, vig, etc.). Why claim with only 3 and not strong ones at that?

[PeregrineV]

Also more likely to get scum caught, unless they have a ninja.

Except why would the ninja even bother since the common thought is a watcher can't exist since a gunsmith does?

Ninja only fools watcher and tracker, and both of those have their limitations.

[PeregrineV]

random. our ub if we have one will be 50/50 weak vig and gunsmith. if it is weak vig we will know tomorrow as someone will be shot though.

It's actually in the order killed. Uzi was listed first, Alisae was as a result of her action, which makes her second.

[Eddie Cane]

random. our ub if we have one will be 50/50 weak vig and gunsmith. if it is weak vig we will know tomorrow as someone will be shot though.

Random is not necessarily correct. From the wiki:

"If the game has multiple killing roles with potential for multiple power role deaths, then the mod must resolve which killer strikes first."

If there is a Universal Backup, it gives the mod the power to determine the kill resolution order. If there is a UB, and multiple PRs die at the same time, I will have resolved things following Natural Action Resolution, then other common sense ordering, relying on randomness last.

random. our ub if we have one will be 50/50 weak vig and gunsmith. if it is weak vig we will know tomorrow as someone will be shot though.

It's actually in the order killed. Uzi was listed first, Alisae was as a result of her action, which makes her second.

my bad. I was under the impression it was resolved differently from experience.

[Umlaut]

If there is a Universal Backup, it gives the mod the power to determine the kill resolution order. If there is a UB, and multiple PRs die at the same time, I will have resolved things following Natural Action Resolution, then other common sense ordering, relying on randomness last.

Thanks for the clarification. So there are two interpretations here: either

• The Uzi and Lexa deaths happened 'first', and the Alisae death 'second' (since it was a side-effect of the Lexa death), so UB is gunsmith; or
  
• There is no necessary ordering between the Uzi and Lexa deaths, so UB is 50:50 gunsmith or weak vig.

But I suppose we don't need to inquire too deeply into this.

[Eddie Cane]

there's no chance a joat like that exists in this setup. the fn claim is so we don't lynch her todsy. the commuter is planning ahead. this is basic scumonomics

A better claim would be a bunch of useful stuff that would stop her from being lynched (doc, cop, vig, etc.). Why claim with only 3 and not strong ones at that?

a friendly neighbour claim stops her from being lynched

[keyenpeydee]

What happens with UB when there are simultaneous PR deaths? Is it deterministic or random?

The first flip maybe

[keyenpeydee]

The UB is a gunsmith for sure

[keyenpeydee]

Chick is lying

[PeregrineV]

there's no chance a joat like that exists in this setup. the fn claim is so we don't lynch her todsy. the commuter is planning ahead. this is basic scumonomics

A better claim would be a bunch of useful stuff that would stop her from being lynched (doc, cop, vig, etc.). Why claim with only 3 and not strong ones at that?

a friendly neighbour claim stops her from being lynched

If you believe the person who "got" it.

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: ava

Lexa's lowell vote was when ava and lowell both were at 6 votes

This is good info, if it is accurate. Do you have posts/pages you can post or at least reference?

Vote Count 1.21

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Eddie Cane (2): Lil Uzi Vert, chickadee
Lowell (5): Fykus, Avagantimos, Creature, PeregrineV, LicketyQuickety
keyenpeydee (1): gerryoat
gerryoat (1): Lexa
Umlaut (2): keyenpeydee, Lowell
Avagantimos (6): Transcend, aronagrundy, Firebringer, Alisae, Eddie Cane, Umlaut

Not Voting (0):

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-04-17 18:30:10)

2004: umlaut votes lowell, bringing him to 6 votes (l-3).
2006: lexa votes lowell, bringing him to l-2.
Finding this I realized that the next vote is 2007: chickadee votes lowell, bringing him to l-1.

I think that umlaut, lexa, and chickadee all being scum together is unlikely. Like would three scum really pile onto lowell consecutively to bring him to l-1?

Mod fixed quote tag