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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:26 am

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Vote Count:
Rosso Carne (3): niltiacjoan, Sir Tornado, Powerful Wizard IRL
Powerful Wizard IRL (2): ting =), Rosso Carne

Not Voting (2): Battousai, BlckKnght

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:25 pm

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Well, from what I know, what Russo did was a bad play. Reason being is that if he wasn't scum and neither was knight, then scum could have pilled on vote 3 and 4 and I'm out on the first page.

But then Sir Tornado did the same thing, and I give him the same reasoning and him and Russo are both ICs and they should know better hopefully.

Then PWIRL placed a THIRD vote on Russo. Extremely scummy, but since he's new and this might be his first game, that also leans on the opposited as Extremely newbish move.

Then the wheel spins back to Russo who placed a THIRD vote on PWIRL, and asks for him to be lynched, LYNCHED on PAGE 1! I give him the same paragraph as PWIRL, but minus the newbish move, since he's IRL.

What we need to do is to stop putting people at L-1 and instead lets use IGMEOY, FOS, SFOS, and HOS.

Right now, I upgrade my IGMOY to
SFOS: Russo
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:10 pm

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Battousai wrote:Well, from what I know, what Russo did was a bad play. Reason being is that if he wasn't scum and neither was knight, then scum could have pilled on vote 3 and 4 and I'm out on the first page.
An L-2 vote like the one he put on you isn't a bad play with this game's setup. Yes, both of the mafia could have joined the bandwagon and lynched you, but then the rest of us would then have a clear idea of who to lynch the next two days.

The L-1 votes, as you correctly point out, are an entirely different matter. That's practically begging for a quick hammer. Lets get
at least
one more page filled before lynching.

Because it doesn't seem like much of a strategy for the scum to each put the other at L-1, I doubt that Rosso and PWIRL are both scum. That said, they are each individually suspicious.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:34 pm

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@bat. Yes, my vote was random. I was going to go and pull it out once things get serious, but seeing how everything played out with PWIRL... I think I'll keep it on him.

Also, could one of you guys unvote Ross? I get from bat's and blck posts that neither of you guys are going to lynch him so fast, and neither am I, and I doubt that Ross will move his vote from PWIRL to himself, but still, an L-1 so fast makes me uneasy.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:18 pm

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EBWOP: That should be @blck, not @bat, sorry.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:26 pm

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Because it doesn't seem like much of a strategy for the scum to each put the other at L-1, I doubt that Rosso and PWIRL are both scum. That said, they are each individually suspicious.
I read through everything, and I thought things over, and I'd have to disagree. Townies aren't very likely to hammer, see, so if Ross and PWIRL are the mafia, and they L-1 each other, they're actually quite safe from lynching, seeing as no one will hammer them.

Another thing, in post 22, Ross says:
unvote, vote wizard

seriously this time, he needs to be lynched before his scum buddy can have ample bussing and distancing time.
I think that's exactly what you're doing Ross, distancing yourself from your scumbuddy.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:35 am

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UNVOTE


I might have made a newb move and made myself look bad. I doubt I can win anyone over, seeing how this game is all about suspicion.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:51 am

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xD Wow, two bandwagons in the first two pages. Umm... I'm gonna go ahead and
Unvote
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I think maybe PWIRL had been told lynches helped the town? I'unno. I've been told that a few times by my friends. xD I'm just a lynch hippie.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:28 am

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Just a heads up, I'll be staying at my friend's place from Friday till the weekend's done. He has net, but I'm not sure how often I can log in, so... yeah, I'll try, but I might not have much posts till Monday.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:26 am

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Battousai wrote:Well, from what I know, what Russo did was a bad play. Reason being is that if he wasn't scum and neither was knight, then scum could have pilled on vote 3 and 4 and I'm out on the first page.

But then Sir Tornado did the same thing, and I give him the same reasoning and him and Russo are both ICs and they should know better hopefully.

Then PWIRL placed a THIRD vote on Russo. Extremely scummy, but since he's new and this might be his first game, that also leans on the opposited as Extremely newbish move.

Then the wheel spins back to Russo who placed a THIRD vote on PWIRL, and asks for him to be lynched, LYNCHED on PAGE 1! I give him the same paragraph as PWIRL, but minus the newbish move, since he's IRL.

What we need to do is to stop putting people at L-1 and instead lets use IGMEOY, FOS, SFOS, and HOS.

Right now, I upgrade my IGMOY to
SFOS: Russo
C9 101:
two townies on someone are an excellent position. if both scum pile on, you can bet that those two are going to be the ones lynched.

In fact, if wizard somehow wasnt scum, then the scum lost their best opportunity in not quicklynching me.

But I digress. Scum's best option is to have a town put on a 3rd vote early by mistake and then quicklynch. That way its 2vs1 on day 3 and the town has very little to go on. Then its a simple 3 person lylo situation where the town has no information beyond that of a cop.

so THAT is why putting a 2nd vote on is fine. I wasnt being serious asking for a claim, as i wouldnt ask for a claim either way, not in an open setup like this. But having a 2nd vote is no problem.

But having a 3rd vote this early is extremely bad for the town, and putting on that 3rd vote is the most horrible thing a townie could have done, and its just stupid. No townie would do is, and the only other option is wizard is scum.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:42 pm

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but you also put a third vote on, on wizard. You believe he is scum, but you are contridicting youself here by saying
But having a 3rd vote this early is extremely bad for the town, and putting on that 3rd vote is the most horrible thing a townie could have done, and its just stupid. No townie would do is, and the only other option is wizard is scum.
That way its 2vs1 on day 2 and the town has very little to go on. Then its a simple 3 person lylo situation where the town has no information beyond that of a cop.
*changed day 3 to 2, I believe that is what you meant

Your third vote on wizard leaves the town vulnerable. You are sure he is scum, but there is a big possibility that he made a noob mistake and is actually town. By your own logic you are scum. I'm not saying that you are, but your actions are that of a scummy nature.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:15 pm

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ting =) wrote:
Because it doesn't seem like much of a strategy for the scum to each put the other at L-1, I doubt that Rosso and PWIRL are both scum. That said, they are each individually suspicious.
I read through everything, and I thought things over, and I'd have to disagree. Townies aren't very likely to hammer, see, so if Ross and PWIRL are the mafia, and they L-1 each other, they're actually quite safe from lynching, seeing as no one will hammer them.
Perhaps they will be safe in the immediate short term, but any L-1 vote is certain to draw a lot of attention. Given that the early game is usually just (semi-)random voting, it seems pretty silly for the scum to bring everyone's attention upon themselves right off the bat.

Sir Tornado, as the other IC, what do you think of the early votes?
Powerful Wizard IRL wrote:
UNVOTE


I might have made a newb move and made myself look bad. I doubt I can win anyone over, seeing how this game is all about suspicion.
Sure the game is about suspicion. Is there any reason we shouldn't suspect you? Try to come up with a defense (or at least suggest reasons that others might be more suspicious than you).

Here's some motivation:
Vote: PWIRL

Battousai wrote:
That way its 2vs1 on day 2 and the town has very little to go on. Then its a simple 3 person lylo situation where the town has no information beyond that of a cop.
*changed day 3 to 2, I believe that is what you meant
No, it's 2 town vs 1 mafia on day three:

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Day 1:   5 vs 2, after a foolish early L-1 vote, one of the mafia hammers a townie for a quick lynch
Night 1: 4 vs 2, the mafia NK a townie
Day 2:   3 vs 2, LYLO, town lynches the hammerer from Day 1, probably with the other mafia member joining in to throw his partner under a bus
Night 2: 3 vs 1, another townie is NKed
Day 3:   2 vs 1, LYLO

Rosso's point was that on day 3 the last mafia member is in good shape, since there was never a need for him to do something suspicious on the previous days.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:00 pm

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I wrote: Here's some motivation: Vote: PWIRL
Wait, I can't count.
Unvote PWIRL
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For some reason I was thinking niltiacjoan's vote had been on him. L-2 is enough pressure for now.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:39 am

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Mod: Please prod Sir Tornado
and anyone else you feel appropriate. I'm not really a fan of talking to myself.

To try to keep things lively, I'll
Vote: Rosso Carne
, for his recklessness. Rosso, were you convinced that neither Battousai, niltiacjoan nor Sir Tornado would hammer PWIRL, or did you really want to lynch him on page 1? Even if he does turn out to be scum, more discussion will mean more chances for us to catch his scumbuddy on Day 2.

My new vote doesn't quite mean my primary suspicion has changed.
Confirm FoS: Powerful Wizard IRL
who still needs to make a defense.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:23 am

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That is what I was trying to point out and get a response from rosso. He places a third vote on someone on page 1 for putting a third vote on someone on page 1.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:40 am

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unvote

BlckKnght wrote: Sir Tornado, as the other IC, what do you think of the early votes?
Well, my vote on Russo wasn't a serious vote in anyway, as you can guess from the ":p" at the end of it. I am not liking PWIRL's vote on Russo, mainly because it was a third vote.

Casting second votes out of nowhere isn't bad at all, especially if it is on page one. It gets discussion started. I can't see the reason for a third vote, without much reasoning behind it, unless it is some kind of trap/tactic someone wants to try out, which doesn't seem to be the case with PWIRL.
Russo Crane wrote: so THAT is why putting a 2nd vote on is fine. I wasnt being serious asking for a claim, as i wouldnt ask for a claim either way, not in an open setup like this. But having a 2nd vote is no problem.
I know that. My reason for voting you was as serious as you asking for the claim.
Russo Crane wrote: In fact, if wizard somehow wasnt scum, then the scum lost their best opportunity in not quicklynching me.
You were on L-1 for a grand total of less than an hour.

Also, I do not really understand why you casted the third vote on Wizard.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:04 am

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see above post, it was because wizard put someone at L-1 on page 1.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:53 pm

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Hey mod, could we have a
vote count?


I'm in class now, so this is going to be short, but anyway, I think the scummiest person so far is Ross. His actions and his words are far too contradictory.

unvote. vote:Rosso Carne
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:50 pm

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ting =) wrote:Hey mod, could we have a
vote count?


I'm in class now, so this is going to be short, but anyway, I think the scummiest person so far is Ross. His actions and his words are far too contradictory.

unvote. vote:Rosso Carne
Er, I think that takes him to L-1, which is a bit farther than I want to go just yet.
Unvote for the moment
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:02 pm

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Just posting my opinions on everyone:

PWIRL has said that his L-1 was a 'newb move'. I'm tempted to think that he's just playing the new guy card to get away with it, but there's nothing much to read on besides his 2 posts, so I really can't say.

Blck and Batt are easily the 2 most active people, and neither of them have done anything scummy. Right now I'm leaning on both of them being town, but that's because of lack of scumminess, not because of proof of being town.

Niltic hasn't really said much either, but like blck and batt, she hasn't really done anything scummy, so I'm willing to just take her as being town for the moment.

Sir Tornado, I'm not too sure how to read. After Ross, he's the oldest player in the game, so I'm not too comfortable with making a decision too quickly.

That said, all of us playing have in one time or another voted for Ross, with the exception of Batt who has not yet cast a vote, but has SFOSed Ross, making Ross easily the favorite lynch choice. There are 4 people, myself, Blck, Batt and Sir Tornado who have asked him to explain himself. That's enough for a lynch, and I think I'm quite right in assuming that none of us are satisfied with his explanation for his L-1.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:26 am

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Vote Count:
Rosso Carne (1): ting =)
Powerful Wizard IRL (1): Rosso Carne

Not Voting (5): Battousai, BlckKnght, Sir Tornado, nititacjoan, Powerful Wizard IRL

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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:52 am

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Battousai wrote:That is what I was trying to point out and get a response from rosso. He places a third vote on someone on page 1 for putting a third vote on someone on page 1.
YES
YES
FUCKING YES I DID THAT!

What Wizkid did was ABSOUTELY ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY UNHELPFUL TO THE TOWN!

Know what that makes him?

FUCKING SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GODDAMNIT I FEEL LIKE LEWIS BLACK AT A KKK CONVENTION!!!

When you find scum, you lynch them, and when scum do something that blatantly scummy, YOU NEED TO LYNCH THEM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO THEIR PARTNER CANT DISTANCE!!!!

Welcome to mafia, hard truth, and if this game is lost because wizzy made a screw up move as a townie, then you all lynch me then thats life, but I assure you, what I'm doing is not scummy. Aggression is NOT SCUMMY!!!

I WANT THE SCUM DEAD! I WANT THE SCUM DEAD! I WANT THE SCUM DEAD!!!

HOW HARD IS THIS??????
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:17 am

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Calm down Rosso.
I'm back!
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:16 am

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Whoa.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:27 am

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Bumping the Vote Count onto the next page.

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