Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!

[RossWilliam]

neko, I can hardly react to JDodge's vote when he gives me nothing to react to. And his minimal response to Shanba doesn't give me enough either. I just assumed he was put off enough by my complaining to vote for me. He's anti-grump, I suppose.

And yes, neko, I'll be calmer. I'm sorry, i let myself get emotional from the game, and that's not very smart at all. I was ready to just say screw it, lynch me, but now i've gotten that out of my system and it won't be coming back

[killa seven]

RW= RossWilliam
bandwagon= when a bunch of people are voting for a person
atm= at the moment

I would suggest reading through the wiki-- there's a newbie guide you'll want to read. It also has common abbreviations on the site. I'd also recommend reading through another game. Read a finished one so you can see how things work. You should probably also join a newbie game. They're designed to help new players get a handle on games.

Afterwards, if you could read through this game again and provide some input on what has happened so far, it would help get things moving here again.

thanks for clearing that up, yea ive been readin alot of mafia newbie guides plus i joined 4 games by accident so im tryna balance em all at once... ima do my best to add my imput to this game i hope it speeds up some more

[neko2086]

RW, you could have gone completely bezerk. Scum will often lash out if they're being bandwagoned, especially if they're new. I was waiting to see if that's what you would do, and I suspect JDodge may have had the same intentions, though his motives are not very clear.

[RossWilliam]

Well, if thats the case, I hope you are satisfied with my non-bezerkiness. I won't make an emotional post again. That was silly of me.

mod, could we get a vote count please? we haven't had one in two pages

[killa seven]

why was there a rw bandwagon in the first place?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

He's been a little too buddy-buddy for my tastes. Its not much to go off of, but we spent the first few pages sucked in by DS's foolishness.

[Hjallti]

Official Vote Count

skitzer

: 1 (killa seven)

RossWilliam

: 4 (JDodge, TheSweatspantsNinja, klebian, Phate)

Phate

: 1 (RossWilliam)

deadscilent

: 1 (Disciple Slayer*)

Disciple Slayer

: 1 (deadscilent*)

TheSweatspantsNinja

: 1 (Shanba)

Not voting

: 3 (neko2086, tyhess*, skitzer, crub)


*being replaced.

[killa seven]

Official Vote Count

skitzer

: 1 (killa seven)
.

i didnt vote?

[neko2086]

no, but your predecessor did, so you are technically voting unless you unvote.


TSN:

He's been a little too buddy-buddy for my tastes.

Who do you see Ross buddying up to?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Me, mostly, when he defended me in post 131. But also shanba after he voted him. He's just too nice. Puts me on edge.

[skitzer]

Sorry I've been kind of lurky. I haven't had much to goo on, except for maybe killa seven not replying to whoever's "Are you scum?" question.

[killa seven]

Sorry I've been kind of lurky. I haven't had much to goo on, except for maybe killa seven not replying to whoever's "Are you scum?" question.

lol i didnt know that was serious, no im not.

[Crub]

This game is seriously painful.

I'm not a big fan of the RW bandwagon so I'm jumping on klebian.

vote klebian

There's scum on that there wagon.

[RossWilliam]

I'm going to california for an international colorguard competition, and I'm leaving tomorrow. I'm going to bring my laptop to the hotel i'm staying in, but there's no guarentee it'll have internet access there. So if all goes well, I'll keep posting regularly, but if I have bad luck you won't see me til sunday. I'm crossing my fingers for a good hotel, but who knows, colorguards are skimpy.

[Hjallti]

Korlash

replaces

deadscilent

, effective now.

I take killa's remark as a unvote

Official Vote Count

RossWilliam

: 4 (JDodge, TheSweatspantsNinja, klebian, Phate)

Phate

: 1 (RossWilliam)

Korlash

: 1 (Disciple Slayer*)

Disciple Slayer

: 1 (Korlash)

TheSweatspantsNinja

: 1 (Shanba)

klebian

: 1 (Crub)

Not voting

: 4 (neko2086, tyhess*, skitzer, killa seven)


*being replaced.

[Shanba]

This game is seriously painful.

I'm not a big fan of the RW bandwagon so I'm jumping on klebian.

vote klebian

There's scum on that there wagon.

Why klebian?

If you're trying to start a rival wagon, why not vote someone who had a vote, rather than someone who no one had even reallly mentioned?

[Korlash]

*Evil laughs*

... Revenge will be mine Neko...

>.>

Unvote: , Vote: neko

/confirm And will do a read up asap.

[Korlash]

Ok... after a readup Im afraid I actually found people i would rather vote then Neko... T_T next time man... next time...

Unvote:

First impressions inclue a Shanba-TSN partnership possibility. Early distancing or bussing is of course common, and to have constant agression towards one player for one single thing is always a bad move. (Town or scum) If Ninja had perhaps done more then just that one fence sitting post I could understand the constant "Lynch that guy" attitude Shan has. I'm afraid this point also applies to grude votes. Anyone have any evidence of somethign between these two?

I could also see a Skitzer and killa partnership. Just a hunch but the whole "i'm not voting" combined with the post 210 from Skitz makes me very nervous about them. Of course another way of looking at it is Skitz is scum, and Killa is, in fact, just a simple newbie. I'm interested in how these two will interact in the future. I also want to look back and see if Moose or Skitz have any connections at all...

Crub, phate, and JD seem their usual self... Hard to read as usual...

ironically my vote falls on... *drum roll* yes you got it the now one and only DS!

Vote: DS

*claps*

For a good four reasons I think. The first being my favorite and the last being something I'm sure half of you will hold against me.

1) Post 119 was very scummy.

I normally

play the easy lynch target

on day one, to

try and draw out scum looking for something to jump on to

. It seems that deadscilent hasn't been missing any opportunity to jump on me. In lieu of further information, I suggest we all vote deadscilent unless something bigger comes up.

I did a bit of bolding to outline my biggest problems with it.

Playign the easy lynch is dumb. If your town your "intending" to waste our day one lynch, not on possible scum, but on idiot town. Also you waste the town's discussion time by argueing with you.

Calling anyone who goes after you scum is once again stupid. You just called yourself an "easy lynch target" Everyone, town and scum, will go after you now. So you've wasted our time, got every player on you, and it gets worse. If you fake claim cop, you have to excpect the real cop to come after you, if you claim doc, the same, and so forth for all fake claims. So to call people going after the "easy" lynch, when you are in fact a liar, is scum. Not scummy, scum. So by doing this your trapping the doc to die. Also if your lying, you may force the real doc to claim. So if your lying town, you jsut put the real doc in danger. If your lying scum... you need to die. In the off chance your really the doc, Well... I really don't want someone like you in this game least you ruin it more.


2) if you are lying you just stole the jailkeeper's "protection" from the real doc. Sure you can argue jailing the doc to be a bad thing, but I kinda hate the idea of the doc dying N1 don't you?

3) You have fakeclaimed at least once this game. Twice maybe, but you definitly do not have a PS. This is pretty simple, you did this to take the discussion off your Doc claim. Now to hide the fact it was true or false I can't figure out... I think LAL comes into play here.

4) You actaully went against the Mod. You actually got him to change the rules. Theres no reason for this. Ever. JD gets it too... and anyone else who may have been for that strike you brought up and I overlooked them. Furthermore I find it saddening the mod would actually change his ruling like he did... *shakes head*

So... Thats my take and my stand. I had something on Kleb and I forgot it... I actually pegs Kleb, DS, and shan as the trio but I suck at scum hunting so meh...

Also

FoS:

Anyone who ever ended a post with "Discuss"

Also

FoS:

Anyone who ever used the excuse "To promote discussion" for something they did.

Hmmm what else... I guess a short bio to get you guys to know me... Hi, I'm Korlash, the Konnaisseur of Krap Logick. I like short walks ont he beach followed by a long time in front of a computer. My favorite color is green. I love to fakeclaim whenever I can. I play WoW sometimes and MTG every now and then. I love lame jokes (Puns included) and thats about it. Me in a nutshell I think. Work nights... sleep days... log onto MS whever I have time... Everything you will ever need to know about me I think... so... yeah... glad to be here...

[neko2086]

Har har. Nice to see you again, Korlash.

I'm not seeing the Shanba-TSN connection, but if you can develop it, that might be an interesting discussion.

As far as DS goes, your first point seems mostly valid except that whether or not DS is really trying to claim doc should probably not be discussed. I'd rather leave that as vague as possible so that the scum don't have any leads one way or the other. Also, this looks familiar:

I really don't want someone like you in this game least you ruin it more.

Is this the "let's lynch him regardless of whether he's town or scum because he's not helpful" argument? Neko is never impressed by such arguments.

Argument 3 I can maybe see. Arguments 2 and 4 are not very strong. But, I will say, that I agree completely with your two FOS points at the end. I may have discussed this before, but I think it's important to understand. The only thing that makes DS's play

somewhat

valid, IMO, is that he consistently played the village idiot, which can in some cases draw out opportunistic scum. What I've seen other people doing, though, is using that play as a precedent for more unaccountable, capricious voting and other bizarre behavior. If we keep allowing that for discussion's sake, we'll end up in a situation in which the scum can do the most blatantly scummy things and just say "discuss..."


Crub: I'd also like to know what the motive is behind your vote. How are you sure the other three are not scum (true, you haven't said that you are, but you haven't really given us much to work with, so I'm assuming this is what you believe until you state otherwise).

We should get Sly to replace in here (jk).

[Shanba]

Korlash is simply annoyed that I already found his partner, and is running damage control to try and make sure I go down too.

Discuss.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Korlash is simply annoyed that I already found his partner, and is running damage control to try and make sure I go down too.

Discuss.

False.

Korlash, I can assure you, the village idiot is that guy's MO. Which is why I got frustrated with him, which is why I made my fence-riding "I'm not sure whether or not we should lynch him" post, which got me in trouble in the first place. But he's getting replaced, and I don't think his playing like an idiot makes him any more likely to be scum.

[Korlash]

We should get Sly to replace in here (jk).

\

... *not going to say anything*

Is this the "let's lynch him regardless of whether he's town or scum because he's not helpful" argument? Neko is never impressed by such arguments.

No it's my "He looks like scum, smells like scum, and plays anti-town!" arguement.

Korlash is simply annoyed that I already found his partner, and is running damage control to try and make sure I go down too.

I'll take TSN as a scum partner over you as a fellow townie anyday thats for sure.[/sarcasm]

Korlash, I can assure you, the village idiot is that guy's MO. Which is why I got frustrated with him, which is why I made my fence-riding "I'm not sure whether or not we should lynch him" post, which got me in trouble in the first place. But he's getting replaced, and I don't think his playing like an idiot makes him any more likely to be scum.

i guess I'm the wrong player to argue with MOs... But you have to remember, if we keep giving him passes simply based on meta, he will eventually be scum, and... well I think you can guess the rest.

As for your fence sitting i don't think that makes you scum at all. Unless you and DS are scum partners that is. Then yeah, its a valid point. But I don't see that... (yet) In fact I think not being on the fence here is scummy. I mean on one hand you have a player acting blatantly anti-town. Every town should at least want him out of the game. At the same time we all have to consider him just a "Village idiot" and thus the fence sitting.

[Shanba]

Korlash: that post was just slightly tongue in cheek

The point is not to give a player a free pass based on metas. The point is to try and work out what, for him, is a scummy action. Claiming doc is not, because it's just him being thick.

[Korlash]

... i don't care if your the title is fakeclaim perfection, if you claim the doc you better be telling the truth. And if you claim at a time where a counterclaim is not only impossible, but utterly stupid to do, the only alternative is your scum.

Also how does caliming doc make you an "easy lynch target"? that seems counter productive to me.

Also tounge in cheek? Interesting... Doesn't sound like me... *rereads last post* nope don't see it...

[Crub]

Firstly I picked klebian semi-randomly off the list of voters, just putting my vote on someone I'm slightly suspicious off and gauging reactions.

Secondly WTF is DS even a topic of discussion right now? He's about to be replaced. I think we can safely put DS's play down to his VI meta and hope he get's replaced by someone who isn't a VI.