Mafia 74: Minimally Flavoured - Game over!

[vollkan]

I didn't mean that you were echoing Mills; merely that you were expressing suspicion of DS also. Again, that's just me note-taking so I know what to look back over. Where I see multiple people attacking somebody, that's something for me to refer back to.

[Xylthixlm]

I have consistently stated my belief that Disciple Slayer was scum. His actions make zero sense if he was a townie.

He was in so many games that it's possible he didn't remember if he was scum in this one or not. That also might explain his lack of attention to the game. It doesn't explain why his replacement disappeared too, though.

[Dark Ermac]

I'm also in a few games for now, so I'm sorry if I ever mix something from one game into another.

Anyway, I don't know who to vote for as of now. Although some people come straight to mind (mills and ds), I'm hesitating to vote for them thinking that they may be a retarded townie who doesn't know what they're doing. If I vote someone I

personally

find suspiciously too townie, then I might be accused of scum.If I kill off an inactive, I might be killed for not even bothering to know who/what they are, but it might also help the game by getting rid of an inactive.

Finally, if I vote for a no lynch, it means an instant loss for the town, and we still get somone killed, so it's not town enough.

[Xylthixlm]

Dark Ermac: In other words, you're afraid to tell us who you think is scummy, because doing so might make you look scummy. That's pretty scummy in itself.

[Xylthixlm]

I plan to take a hard look at Dark Ermac, egruntz, and Panzerjager tomorrow.

[The Fonz]

I'm also in a few games for now, so I'm sorry if I ever mix something from one game into another.

Anyway, I don't know who to vote for as of now. Although some people come straight to mind (mills and ds), I'm hesitating to vote for them thinking that they may be a retarded townie who doesn't know what they're doing. If I vote someone I

personally

find suspiciously too townie, then I might be accused of scum.If I kill off an inactive, I might be killed for not even bothering to know who/what they are, but it might also help the game by getting rid of an inactive.

Finally, if I vote for a no lynch, it means an instant loss for the town, and we still get somone killed, so it's not town enough.

Again, read the damned thread. Mills and DS have been replaced, and Mills' replacement has claimed cop. This shit is important.

[hasdgfas]

I'm also in a few games for now, so I'm sorry if I ever mix something from one game into another.

Anyway, I don't know who to vote for as of now. Although some people come straight to mind (mills and ds), I'm hesitating to vote for them thinking that they may be a retarded townie who doesn't know what they're doing. If I vote someone I

personally

find suspiciously too townie, then I might be accused of scum.If I kill off an inactive, I might be killed for not even bothering to know who/what they are, but it might also help the game by getting rid of an inactive.

Finally, if I vote for a no lynch, it means an instant loss for the town, and we still get somone killed, so it's not town enough.

Again, read the damned thread. Mills and DS have been replaced, and Mills' replacement has claimed cop. This shit is important.

QFT Fonz.

[Elias_the_thief]

The Eleventh Official Flavorless Votecount:

Eteocles - 6

(Snaps the pirate, Xylthixlm, egruntz, Hasdgfas, Bookitty, Antithesis)

OhGodMyLife - 2

(the fonz, curiouskarmadog)

curiouskarmadog - 2

(panzerjager, OhGodMyLife)

Antithesis - 1

(Phate)

Bookitty - 1

(eteocles)

egruntz - 1

(Xyzzy)

liamcool - 1

(Vollkan)

Xylthixlm - 0

Snaps the pirate - 0

The Fonz - 0

panzerjager - 0

Xyzzy - 0

Hasdgfas - 0

Sangy - 0

Phate - 0

Rishi - 0

Dark Ermac - 0

Vollkan - 0

Nobody - 4

(Rishi, Dark Ermac, sangy, liamcool)

With 18 alive, it will take 10 to lynch.

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It is now about 10 hours, 15 minutes until deadline.

[Eteocles]

post

[hasdgfas]

[liamcool]

Vote: Eteocles

, for having the nerve to make a post simply consisting of "post", and not even making an attempt to make content.

[vollkan]

I'm going to finish my read and, hopefully, place a vote if any candidates stand out to me.

Page 11

Some theory discussion about scum advocacy of NL. Bookitty casts a vote for Mills for a contradiction in respect of 'gut votes' and for a strange attitude to DE. Mills responds to the first few points of Book's, but makes a very evasive response on the DE issue - focussing on one part of the point (DE knowing exclusively what DE 'meant') rather than the fact that (quoting Boo) "Mills defends him here, while attacking him fairly strongly in the first, less strong case."

Page 12

Bookitty gets rebutted quite strongly by Mills because the contradiction Bookitty pointed out seems to stem from Bookitty's own opinions about DE's posts, rather than any incoherence from Mills.

Page 13

Panzer FoSes hasdfas because hasd unvoted Eteocles on replacement and his explanation makes it seem like he was voting DS for idiocy. OGML votes Mills for overreaction and his sparking the DS wagon seemingly opportunistically. Snaps has DS in primary suspect position and DE in second; his first point on DE is just a theory disagreement (not actually suspicious), then an attack on a single dodgy sentence by DE and for his refusal to elaborate on "knowing" egruntz is town. Mills replaces out and is voted by Phate (replacing out is scumtell?) Panzer thinks Mills' meltdown "ensures that he is scummy". I've played with Mills before, and I have seen him engage in even more "meltdown-ish" behaviour; so this doesn't surprise me all that much. Bookitty suggests Mills' suspicions were feigned on the basis that he attacked for a minor semantic issue, but defended on something serious.

Page 14

Not much meaningful early on. Phate thinks the DS wagon is contrived and maybe scum led. He prefers the Mills wagon.

Page 15

Antithesis (Mills) claims cop. OGML votes CKD for adding nothing (This is true, CKD hasn't added anything since replacement and actually asked for the case on Mills). CKD reacts to OGML's vote rather angrily, since there are people who were actual total lurkers (my predecessor being an obvious case).

Page 16

Anti declares his intention to vote Eteo. Panzer attacks CKD for his OMGUS on OGML. And then I arrive.

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I realise that Eteocles is going to be the lynch now due to the deadline system in place. Given DS's useless bandwagoning (chaos is fine when it has some point) and Eteo's obvious lack of contribution, this is a decent wagon. Hopefully, the discussion will become less theory-oriented and not as destroyed by lurkers on D2.

Vote: Eteocles

[OhGodMyLife]

I know at this point there's no way the eteo lynch will get derailed, but I'm still against it. Yes, that last so called post of his was

exceptionally

obnoxious, but that could come just as easily from fed up or simply apathetic scum or town. The play by DS that got him into the position he was in when eteo replaced was just plain stupid more than it was scummy, and I really believe that his wagon has been orchestrated and ridden by at least one if not more of the scum.

CKD, sorry, but that was total OMGUS directed at me, which you obviously knew when you tried to downplay it by preempting anyone else's comments on this point. The fact that you then use anybody pointing that out as an argument against them is even worse. You wanna know why I came after you instead of the people who were absent altogether? Because I was hoping it would get a reaction out of you, and what do you know, I'm so lucky that between me and Panzer you actually grossly overreacted.

[PJ.]

Does there need to be more votes on Eteo to deadline lynch him? I'd rather lynch him especially after that last "post" then have a no lynch.

[vollkan]

At least half the normal required lynching number is required at deadline. Eteocles has 8 votes and 10 are needed, so Eteocles will be the lynchee.

[curiouskarmadog]

I know at this point there's no way the eteo lynch will get derailed, but I'm still against it. Yes, that last so called post of his was

exceptionally

obnoxious, but that could come just as easily from fed up or simply apathetic scum or town. The play by DS that got him into the position he was in when eteo replaced was just plain stupid more than it was scummy, and I really believe that his wagon has been orchestrated and ridden by at least one if not more of the scum.

CKD, sorry, but that was total OMGUS directed at me, which you obviously knew when you tried to downplay it by preempting anyone else's comments on this point. The fact that you then use anybody pointing that out as an argument against them is even worse. You wanna know why I came after you instead of the people who were absent altogether? Because I was hoping it would get a reaction out of you, and what do you know, I'm so lucky that between me and Panzer you actually grossly overreacted.

better pull up my socks, this posts was full of all times of shit.

how have I overreacted? and even if I did overreact please explain why overreacting is scummy. When someone votes you for crap reasons, how do YOU react? So you didnt go after anyone else because you wanted a reaction out of me? that doesnt make any sense. No one else would have given you a reaction? How do you know that? I think you were just following Panzer on what you hoped turned into a bandwagon....how long are you going to hold your vote on me before you realize it is useless and you need jump on another bandwagon to lynch another townie?

[PJ.]

CKD, overdefensiveness is exetremely scummy, because it means your guilty of something. Which is really bad when you haven't done anything the entire thread. You'll probably be lynched soon,k scumo?

[curiouskarmadog]

so when I dont post, I am scummy...when I do post I am over defensive (which you label as scummy)..

nice..and since OMGL agrees with you, you find nothing scummy about his vote and posting?

[PJ.]

vote is clean, posting not so much.

[Elias_the_thief]

End of Day One Flavorless Votecount:

Eteocles - 8

(Snaps the pirate, Xylthixlm, egruntz, Hasdgfas, Bookitty, Antithesis, Vollkan, Liamcool)

OhGodMyLife - 2

(the fonz, curiouskarmadog)

curiouskarmadog - 2

(panzerjager, OhGodMyLife)

Antithesis - 1

(Phate)

Bookitty - 1

(eteocles)

egruntz - 1

(Xyzzy)

liamcool - 0

Xylthixlm - 0

Snaps the pirate - 0

The Fonz - 0

panzerjager - 0

Xyzzy - 0

Hasdgfas - 0

Sangy - 0

Phate - 0

Rishi - 0

Dark Ermac - 0

Vollkan - 0

Nobody - 3

(Rishi, Dark Ermac, sangy)

At deadline, eight votes is enough. You all drag Etecoles to the noose and let him hang. Somehow you find out that he was the Back-up Cop.

Eteocles,

Back-up Cop

, lynched Day One.

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It is now Night One. Night will end on

Sunday, January 27th at 10 PM, EST.

[Elias_the_thief]

A new day dawns in Townville. Some stuff happened. Some people died. The game goes on without them.

CuriousKarmaDog,

vanilla townie

, killed Night One.
The Fonz,

vanilla townie

, killed Night One.
Xylthixlm,

mafia goon

, killed Night One.

Sorry for the delay. I've been pretty busy of late. Skruffs replaces Sangy.

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It is now Day Two. Deadline will be Sunday, February 24th, at 10 PM EST.

[Snaps_the_Pirate]

Wow, THREE night kills?

I personally find vote and FoS history very useful in scum hunting, especially in the end game.
Here is a review of the votes and FoS from day one, in order that they were cast, as well as post count. Underlined votes are the ones that were standing at the end of the day.

Bookitty - 35 posts
Votes - Phate, TheDragonsPrincess, Egruntz, DiscipleSlayer, Mills,

Eteocles

FoS - SnapsThePirate

DiscipleSlayer / Eteocles (Back-up Cop) - 7 / 5 posts
Vote - OhGodMyLife*, SnapsThePirate*, TheFonz*,

Bookitty*

Liamcool - 19 posts
Votes - SnapsThePirate,

Eteocles

FoS - Mills, DiscipleSlayer

Phate - 19 posts
Votes - OhGodMyLife,

Mills

Mills / Antithesis (Claimed Cop) - 45 / 6 posts
Votes - MariucciFamily*, DiscipleSlayer*, CuriousKarmaDog*,

Eteocles

DarkErmac - 11 posts
Votes - Bookitty, OhGodMyLife

MariucciFamily / Hasdgfas - 0 / 21 posts
Votes - DiscipleSlayer,

Eteocles

TheDrangonsPrincess / Xyzzy - 3 / 5 posts
Votes - SnapsThePirate*, TheFonz,

Egruntz

FoS - DiscipleSlayer

Panzerjager - 33 posts
Votes - SnapsThePirate, TheFonz, Mills,

CuriousKarmaDog

Fos - Hasdgfas, DarkErmac, Everyone voting for DiscipleSlayer

TheFonz (Innocent Townie) - 26 posts
Votes - SnapsThePirate, Bookitty,

OhGodMyLife

Patch15 / Vollkan - 3 / 4 posts
Votes - Liamcool*,

Eteocles

Sensfan / Rishi - 1 / 6 posts
Votes - TheFonz

Sangy - 8 posts
Votes - TheFonz

CuriousKarmaDog (Innocent Townie) - 16 posts
Votes - Liamcool, Mills,

OhGodMyLife

Fos - TheFonz

OhGodMyLife - 15 posts
Votes - Bookitty, Xylthixlm, TheFonz, Mills, Xylthixlm, Mills,

CuriousKarmaDog

Egruntz - 17 posts
Votes -

DiscipleSlayer

FoS - Xylthixlm, DiscipleSlayer, Mills

Xylthixlm (Mafia Goon) - 71 posts
Votes - OhGodMyLife, LiamCool, Egruntz,

DiscipleSlayer

FoS - CuriousKarmaDog, Panzerjager

SnapsThePirate - 21 posts
Votes -

DiscipleSlayer

FoS - Phate, Sensfan, Eteocles, DarkErmac, Mills

* Votes cast before replacement

[Snaps_the_Pirate]

After reviewing day one, Dark Ermac seems most suspicious to me. He has nothing that jumps out as especially suspicious by it’s self, but a lot of little things that add up.

First, with only 11 posts, he is posting just enough to avoid attacting attention as a lurker, but not enough to contribute to the discussion.


Something that caught my attention was post 134:

Anyway, the Fonz and DS seem to be the most suspicious, but I'll go check over the previous few pages in a while.

He never came back to this and told us what about Fonz or Disciple Slayer he found suspicious.


Next, in post 47

Consider it this way.In any mafia game where the mafia aren't retarded, there's going to be a townie lynched on the first day. We might as well random vote rather than not vote at all.

In posts 191 through 201, Mills and Hasdgfas argued about whether Dark Ermac was endorsing a random lynch or not. What I find suspicious is the fact that Dark Ermac NEVER jumped in to explain or justify his own post.


Then in post 219, about Disciple Slayer

Right now I believe that you are the most scummy, but I won't vote for you. I actually believe you to be a townie. It's hard to understand, but I've seen many games in which the idiot was lynched first, and just so happened to be town. So, everyone who is currently voting for DS: you can choose to either not lynch this townie, or you can lynch him anyway for fears of being taken advantage of by the mafia. Your choice.

Here he does a complete turn around from “DS seems to be the most suspicious” to “I actually believe you to be a townie”. He gives no explanation for his change of mind. He takes it a step further in post 224.

Believe me when I say this: he's town. I may not be 100% accurate, but from past experiences I know this.

How could he have been so sure? Only mafia can know for certain anyone’s status this early in the game.


In post 226,

The way I word things is... I guess you could say it's a bit scummy, but that's just the way I type.

“I’m not scum, I just look like it” is a defense I will never buy.


In posts 231, 238, 239, and 305 Mills and I argue whether Dark Ermac knows Disciple Slayers’ status or only thinks he knows it. Again Dark Ermac fails to chime in to explain or justify his own post.


Next, in post 334

I just experienced Hell Week. I'm going to experience Hell Week Part II starting today.

In response,

Hell Week? For what sport? All the major Hell Week sports are over..

Yet again, no response from Dark Ermac.


Finally, his last post of day one:

I'm also in a few games for now, so I'm sorry if I ever mix something from one game into another.

Anyway, I don't know who to vote for as of now. Although some people come straight to mind (mills and ds), I'm hesitating to vote for them thinking that they may be a retarded townie who doesn't know what they're doing. If I vote someone I personally find suspiciously too townie, then I might be accused of scum.If I kill off an inactive, I might be killed for not even bothering to know who/what they are, but it might also help the game by getting rid of an inactive.

Finally, if I vote for a no lynch, it means an instant loss for the town, and we still get somone killed, so it's not town enough.

First an excuse for lurking. Then he mentions Mills and Disciple Slayer, both of whom had been replaced by that point, as possible votes. Obviously, he is not following the game very closely. Could he be just skimming because he is not searching for mafia? Perhaps he already knows who they are? This whole post sounds like he is far more concerned about how his vote will make HIM look, rather than trying to catch mafia.


All in all, there is no one thing that jumps out a screams “MAFIA” but there is a whole lot of little things that add up. Dark Ermac seems more like mafia to me than anyone else right now.

Vote: Dark Ermac.

[Antithesis]

I find it interesting taht someone (scum I think) would target CKD for a night kill, given the level of suspicion some people had placed on him day 1, seeing as how he turns up townie... ahh well. Will save my speculation for later.

For what it is worth I investigated BooKitty, and was given "no result" as an answer. Not sure if this means I was blocked by a protector or if it means the Mafia have a Role Blocker of their own.

Xyl turning up goon is interesting as well. Will need to do a re-read to look for possible connections.

[Skruffs]

Hey there guys
I'm replacing Sangy
I had a horrible accident involving my jaw and a dentist monday morning, so until the pain relievers wear off, I will prboably *not* be of much use, but I am here.

Tally ho, wot wot.