Mini 549 (Tarhalindur Mostly Mountainous) - Game Over

[SlySly]

EBWOP

roger, Roger.

[Tarhalindur]

Oops. -Tar

Twelfth Vote Count

Rosso Carne (1) - Nyktorion
Blackberry (3) -

Dean Harper

, SlySly, thenextspidode
Earwig (2) - Tamuz, Rosso Carne
Tamuz (2) - Johoohno, Earwig
thenextepisode (1) - Blackberry

Not Voting (3) - Ectomancer, ryan, Jester

7 votes to lynch.

FoS Count:

Blackberry (3) - thenextepisode, ryan, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (1) - Ectomancer

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Current Deadline:

~12:00 AM, February 21, 2008 (GMT -6)

Second Mod Deadline Review:

~12:00 AM, January 30, 2008 (GMT -6)

[ryan]

Vote: Blackberry

The more I go back and look, the more I believe the "theory" was used to muddy up the game (I'll admit it worked on me) and get us off track of finding scum. I think the inability to give any other insight in the game except to constantly defend this "idea" is just backtracking. Rosso Carne isn't sitting well with me right now (especially after obvious defense of Blackberry) which will be noted for later on as he'd be my #2 on my current scumdar.

[Rosso Carne]

Sounds to me as a lot of old arguments are only spinning in circles right now. Seems as if the town has five lynch candidates:

Rosso - The condescending and uninformative poster
Blackberry - The flamboyant poster
Earwig - The amnesiac poster
Tamuz - The lurking non-poster
thenextepisode - The (theory) inquisitive poster

Which one of these gentlemen do you all feel okay to lynch today? I can’t say I have a strong case against anyone of them, but I’m willing to swing my vote to almost anyone of them to increase some pressure. (Though, as of now, I would prefer either Earwig or Tamuz (and possibly a dark horse: slysly) to be the lynch of the day.)

I do not like this post. O_o

:goodposting:

*ressurects ibby*

the best candidate for scum is the one that suspects no one or the one that suspects 90 bajillion just a bit.

good night johnhoo

unvote, vote johnhoo

[Rosso Carne]

MOD: if you have a problem with my anger its general courtesy to take it to the PMs instead of making it a game wide ordeal

[Jester]

I also enjoy using Size 17 text, am I allowed to do that in this game?

There doesn't seem to be a rule against it. Only thing that really applies is rule 2a among the rules. So, as long as you're not using it to get an advantage in the game, I suppose it's allowed.

Also - Jester, a recommendation for the future: the V/LA thread exists for a reason.

mod

, if you're going to expect me to post every 72 hours, go ahead and consider me V/LA for the remainder of the game. I only very rarely play MS on weekends, and I mostly post twice a week if everything's going well. Within those restrictions, I will remain active. If for some reason I expect not to be able to post in a given week, I'll post that here.

You think so? When I first read Johoohoo's post, I thought that his statements about the SK and the low-profile-players were related. Going from that point, I believe that my accusation is not that far away.

Yes, I do. You're speculating about the structure of the game without any evidence at all. I agree that Tar's emoticon on the subject (I believe it was ":twisted:") would seem to indicate that in whatever way this game is "mostly" mountainous is not to the town's benefit. But even assuming that there is a SK, I find it somewhat difficult to believe that Johoohno would advertise himself as such. However,

for day one

, it's pointless and wastes the town's time to speculate about whether there's an SK in this game until we have good evidence to point to one. So, bring this up again on day two.

It makes it look like you voted him simply to make a contribution, but had no plan beyond the vote.

Take out the word "contribution" and replace it with the word "post". After that, QFT. Then mutter something darkly about Rosso just trying to stay off the "72 hours between posts" radar.

truth is this game is nowhere because all ive seen is people going after

homo

because of his untold (and obvious metagame) theory.

Hey, how about keeping the hate crimes out of this game, what do you say?

vote: Rosso Carne

.

are you a dumbass or just on drugs?

While you're at it, drop the fake hostility, too.

Earwig - The amnesiac poster
Tamuz - The lurking non-poster
thenextepisode - The (theory) inquisitive poster

I'd be interested to see some stronger suspicions behind these three. I rarely use the word "strawman", but it would seem to apply here.

(and possibly a dark horse: slysly)

And this is an interesting little insert. Same question. Slysly, your 172 is right on the money.

MOD: if you have a problem with my anger its general courtesy to take it to the PMs instead of making it a game wide ordeal

Huh. Overreact much? Or is this more fake hostility? In this post, I can't tell.

[Ectomancer]

It makes it look like you voted him simply to make a contribution, but had no plan beyond the vote.

Take out the word "contribution" and replace it with the word "post". After that, QFT. Then mutter something darkly about Rosso just trying to stay off the "72 hours between posts" radar.

Point taken. Unless the mod is willing to relax the strict posting requirements, I'll have to take this possible motivation into account. I believe his vote moved his actions beyond a simple post, however. If, as you say, it was simply an effort to stay off the posting radar, he could have chosen a better method, especially if he really had no other reason behind the vote. You will notice that he has yet to answer to his reasoning for the vote, and has not mentioned his "re-read" again. I hate to use bully tactics to get an answer, but he has provided additional reasoning for suspecting his motives in this game, with an additional meta on top of it all to spur him to re-evaluate his use of labels.

vote Rosso

[Rosso Carne]

if youre going to vote me because me and berry make fun of one another, please calm down.

[Tarhalindur]

Mod Note: Given what I have seen over the last few days, I am considering cutting back on the post requirement (probably to once every 4 days, though once every 5 days is also worth consideration). Would this be appreciated?

Vote Count later today, I'm short on time at the moment. -Tar

[Ectomancer]

if youre going to vote me because me and berry make fun of one another, please calm down.

If you are going to straw man my vote, sign up for another game. You'll have an opening soon.

[Tamuz]

OK Johoho's post is very scummy, I agree there.

To everything pointed at me... I present my suspicion of Earwig.(numbers are relative to his post #)

2 of 3 first posts focus on Ectomancer, belittling any suspicion to Ecto. ACTIVE defense of another person D1 is more often a scumtell than a masontell/coptell.
4: Calls Sly on Lurking, when he clearly isn't. (& others... its way to early to start trying to pull people as lurkers yet)
Wifoms the Ecto.
Draws attention to number of votes. Cautious-scumtell.
5. Pretends he has a grand plan. True or false, this is a scumtell to me.
6. Defends himself by saying he was trying to stir things up... Things were moving decently enough gambits of that sort don't benefit the town if its not stagnant.
9. Votes me in what I consider OMGUS. He strawmans reasons, but reading between the lines I see.

vote: Tamuz because he is voting me

[Tarhalindur]

RangeroftheNorth replaces DeanHarper. Welcome to the game, RangeroftheNorth!

After further consideration, I am extending the days before prod limit to 4 days (~96 hours). This seems more fair to everyone (especially since 96 hours makes it easier for players with limited access on weekends).

Also, since RangeroftheNorth needs to read the thread, he has 7 days to read and post before I resort to prodding.

Finally, due to a recent upswing in activity and RangeroftheNorth replacing in, you pass the second Mod Deadline Review. The new deadline is February 27, 2008, and the next Mod Deadline Review will be on February , 2008. -Tar

Thirteenth Vote Count

Rosso Carne (3) - Nyktorion, Jester, Ectomancer
Blackberry (3) - SlySly, thenextspidode, ryab
Earwig (1) - Tamuz
Tamuz (2) - Johoohno, Earwig
thenextepisode (1) - Blackberry
Johoohno (1) - Rosso Carne

Not Voting (1) - RangeroftheNorth (rep. Dean Harper)

7 votes to lynch.

A note on replacement policy: I consider unvoting to be a part of the replacement process (a courtesy for the player who is replacing in), hence the RangeroftheNorth unvote.

Also, apparently I've been miscounting the votes on thenextepisode for a while. Sorry about that!

... And there's another error. Apparently I fail at vote counts. -Tar

FoS Count:

Blackberry (3) - thenextepisode, ryan, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (1) - Ectomancer

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Current Deadline:

~12:00 AM, February 27, 2008 (GMT -6)

Third Mod Deadline Review:

~12:00 AM, February 6, 2008 (GMT -6)

[Nyktorion]

Sounds to me as a lot of old arguments are only spinning in circles right now. Seems as if the town has five lynch candidates:

Rosso - The condescending and uninformative poster
Blackberry - The flamboyant poster
Earwig - The amnesiac poster
Tamuz - The lurking non-poster
thenextepisode - The (theory) inquisitive poster

Which one of these gentlemen do you all feel okay to lynch today? I can’t say I have a strong case against anyone of them, but I’m willing to swing my vote to almost anyone of them to increase some pressure. (Though, as of now, I would prefer either Earwig or Tamuz (and possibly a dark horse: slysly) to be the lynch of the day.)

I also have to say that I do not really like that post. SlySly has already shown some reasons why that post is not very likable (I think that particularly points 1 and 6 make Johoo look scummy), but another notable point here is Johoo's implied eagerness to already go towards the conclusion of the day ("Nothing interesting happening anymore, so let's just lynch one of those guys, I don't even care which one it is").

FOS: Johoohoo

Yes, I do. You're speculating about the structure of the game without any evidence at all. I agree that Tar's emoticon on the subject (I believe it was "Twisted Evil") would seem to indicate that in whatever way this game is "mostly" mountainous is not to the town's benefit. But even assuming that there is a SK, I find it somewhat difficult to believe that Johoohno would advertise himself as such. However, for day one, it's pointless and wastes the town's time to speculate about whether there's an SK in this game until we have good evidence to point to one. So, bring this up again on day two.

I agree that Day 1 is a little bit early for speculating about the structure of the game. However, I think you were misunderstanding me there. I was not really speculating about the structure of the game in my attack against Johoo. I took Johoo's speculation about the game and his comment about people below the radar, and I thought I could already put one and one together from there.

[RangeroftheNorth]

Alright, I've read the game once. I'll probably do a second reading before I give an in-depth post, but right now Tamuz is at the top of my list of suspicious characters. Like nearly everyone else, I don't like Johoohno's post (169) detailing potential lynch candidates. He is also high on my scumdar. I'll follow up this post with more information, hopefully later today.

[Johoohno]

I see that my post 169 Has been misunderstood or (consciously interpreted in a chosen way?).

a) The five names on the list are the same five that has been on the latest mod vote counts.
b) My cases on Earwig, Tamuz and Slysly shouldn't be something new to you since I mentioned them in post 114.
c) SlySly's list of dislikes of my post in question:

1. His complaining about old arguments without presenting any of his own?
2. His poor math by stating there were 5 lynch possibilities and listing 6?
3. His generalizing categorizations of each poster?
4. His poor list presentation where his 6th list entry is buried in a later paragraph?
5. His eagerness to put a vote on someone for nothing other than pressure?
6. His inferred request to be lead to a lynch target?

And my reply:
1. This post (169) is based on an earlier post (114) and a summary of the situation since then. It is also a try for making the discussion move on - which I'd say it has (although it has mostly been talk around the post in question instead of its purpose).
2. See four.
3. Sorry (the idea was more humour than anything else - sorry if I missed my aim).
4. SlySly isn't on the mod list, but a candidate I could actually vote for.
5. Well, all votes in this game so far is for pressure only - I'm not ready to lynch someone yet. Are you?
6. I felt as if no new information were being added, but weren't up for ending the day either, I thought this would be a good way to lead on the discussion. I also believe that you can get some information of how people reacted to my post in question.

[Tamuz]

Would it help if I told you you were wrong ROTN?

[RangeroftheNorth]

The more I read over Tamuz's posts, the less I like them. Throughout the entire game, his sole contribution has been a single, illogical post. He has continued insisting that Earwig is scum for most of the game without any explanation until his most recent post. As much as I dislike the content, and frequency of Tamuz's posts, I'm forced to conclude that his play style isn't very beneficial to scum. It's not very helpful to the town, either, but that's a different matter entirely.

Discarding Tamuz as a suspect, I move on to Johoohno. His posts have contributed more to the game than Tamuz's and have slightly more substance. This is good, because it gives us more to analyze. I'm going to start with this post:

I've been prodded, but I've never been away (I follow this game most thoroughly and is really enthusiastic about deadlines and activity-prods).

Being present without contributing is far worse than being away. People who aren't reading the game thread and thus not posting are more likely to be pro-town players who aren't interested in the game. People who are actively reading, but choose to lay low, are those who are trying to avoid notice and not become a target. Either way it isn't good, but reading without contributing is, at least in my opinion, a much greater scum tell.

I notice that of a lot of people (Earwig, SlySly, SlySly again and Tamuz) are not reading rules or posts very thoroughly. (Scums feeling they can afford being sloppy readers?) I'm still satisfied with my vote on Tamuz.

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would scum be less likely to read the rules than non-scum? These seems like a fairly contrived reason to suspect someone is scum.

The long going mock fight between Blackberry and Ectomancer, which ended up with peace a few posts ago, strikes me as interesting (bussing?)

I don't have much to say about this, but I don't think that any time two people have an argument, they must both be scum together. Again, he seems to be looking for any reason, no matter how solid, to throw around suspicion.

Finally I think that we might have a serial killer amongst us, making this game MOSTLY mountainuous (or those of you who are more knowledgeable than I, is there a setup name for vanillas, scums and a SK?). There are quite a few players, myself included, keeping a really low profile.

Why even bring this up? It's certainly a possibility that there is a serial killer in the game, but unless you had some knowledge the rest of us don't (i.e. your role) there's no reason to be certain of that. Any attempt to base your conclusion on the name of the game is an attempt to out-guess the mod, and that's something that's pretty well useless.

The next post of great significance is the famous post 169. Now, the main issue in this post is the "lynch someone and get it over with" attitude that you seem to be conveying here. It seemed, in your post, that you weren't really interested in who got lynched, but rather that it happen as soon as possible. This sort of attitude is indicative of someone who is far more interested in night than in the day. What with your callous disregard for who gets lynched, combined with your earlier comment about serial killers, you'd be my main suspect for being the serial killer.

Now, as I haven't played in quite a while (I think my last game was over a year ago) I might be rusty. If anyone sees some hole in my logic, please feel free to point it out. Until someone does, however, I feel confident enough to

Vote: Johoohno

[Tarhalindur]

Fourteenth Vote Count

Rosso Carne (3) - Nyktorion, Jester, Ectomancer
Blackberry (3) - SlySly, thenextspidode, ryab
Earwig (1) - Tamuz
Tamuz (2) - Johoohno, Earwig
thenextepisode (1) - Blackberry
Johoohno (2) - Rosso Carne, RangeroftheNorth (rep. Dean Harper)

Not Voting (0)

7 votes to lynch.

FoS Count:

Blackberry (3) - thenextepisode, ryan, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (1) - Ectomancer
Johoohno (1) - Nyktorion

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Current Deadline:

~12:00 AM, February 27, 2008 (GMT -6)

Third Mod Deadline Review:

~12:00 AM, February 6, 2008 (GMT -6)[/quote]

[Tamuz]

I like your logic.

[Earwig]

My vote stays on Tamuz for a weak defense of a vote, where he has to stretch the truth, trying to resemble a valid defense.

[Johoohno]

RangeroftheNorth, did you even read post 189 before you wrote your 191?

[Tamuz]

My vote stays on Tamuz for a weak defense of a vote, where he has to stretch the truth, trying to resemble a valid defense.

Nice specific response Earwig.

[Tamuz]

unvote: Earwig
vote?: johoohno

[/shame]

[RangeroftheNorth]

Yes. I read post 189. I don't think it changed anything. In post 114, you made numerous accusations based on things that presented no indication of anti-town play. I can see no reason why not having read the rules clearly would make someone more likely to be scum, and you have yet to present an argument that shows it does.

In post 169, you indicated that you were willing to lynch any of six different candidates, and seemed to be trying to hurry that along. In post 189 you say:

5. Well, all votes in this game so far is for pressure only - I'm not ready to lynch someone yet. Are you?

but this seems to go against what you say in post 169.

Which one of these gentlemen do you all feel okay to lynch today?

I can’t say I have a strong case against anyone of them, but I’m willing to swing my vote to almost anyone of them to increase some pressure.

(Though, as of now, I would prefer either Earwig or Tamuz (and possibly a dark horse: slysly) to be the lynch of the day.)

Twice in that post, you mention lynching one of these candidates. Perhaps you used stronger language than you meant to, but it seemed from the post that you were trying to encourage a quick lynch. From everyone else's reactions to the post, I don't think I'm the only one getting that impression.

@Tamuz: The way you started agreeing with me after I said I was suspicious of you is actually making me more suspicious. It would probably make me less suspicious if you woul provide more reasoning in your posts.

[Tamuz]

Probably, but mind you, I said I thought Johoohno was scummy before you even posted.
And I know I'm innocent.

More reasoning would be nice, but I'm not reading too closely day one. Why? Well the last two games I've played I was pretty snappy on reasoning and such D1, and I got targeted/killed N1. Yes the town won both games, yes I played my role, but living'd be fun. Why go all hard core anal-retentive on anything yet? Its just not my mini-style.