Mini #534 - Vegetable Mafia (Game Over!)

[destructor]

ninja'd, that was to Crub.

[soupfly]

1) scratch any sort of analysis on the nature of people's vegetables. that was a waste of time. let's get back to normal scum hunting.

2) i'm surprised i didn't die last night because i was on the only confirmed townie. this means that either 1) scum were being careful in case there was a doc who would protect me or that 2) scum did target me and i was protected while the kill resulted from a vig.

i'm tempted to believe that there is a vig because oman would not have a been a top choice for scum to go after given that he was already one of the top suspects from the town.

[gorckat]

mod: prod Bookitty

, please? (I don't recall anyone asking last page/Day 3)

She hasn't posted in almost 2 weeks. Her claim of a limited amount per posts looks dicey because her posts don't look particularly short in context, and her #6 seems longer than I'd expect a limit to be set at.

[Bookitty]

I do have a post restriction, of two posts per page, and 150 words per post. That said, I was very convinced that Oman was scum, and I'm not sure who is, since I was wrong. I think I expressed my suspicions of thedragonsprincess before, due to her comments which seemed to be seeking a counterclaim to destructor's half-claim. I guess there could be a destructor/thedragonsprincess scumteam. My only other suspect is Phate, due to his weird claim for no apparent reason, and scumminess surrounding the ryan lynch, but I don’t see him as a possible scumpartner for thedragonsprincess, so that makes that theory less likely.

Sorry for not posting more, but I really was lost when Oman turned out to be town. I was hoping for something more definite before using my posts up.

vote:thedragonsprincess

[destructor]

Does anyone else have a post restriction?

That's one helluva anti-town post restriction you have there, Bookitty.

Actually, everyone should have a look at Page 6. Bookitty's predecessor, kravhen, made three posts on it.

Vote: Bookitty

[Bookitty]

Yes, there's a three strikes rule, and I guess he used one of them. I didn't know that he had.

My only defence is that I'm a pea and apparently my opinion isn't very important since I'm so small. I'm also investigation proof so I can't even clear myself that way.

And yes, it's a sucky post restriction. But it's mine and I have to play with it. That said, I think my case on Oman was reasonable, even though it turned out to be wrong.

Soupfly, I think maybe the scum thought you'd be protected and looked elsewhere. I would have protected you and I think most people would have, given that you were the only confirmed town.

[gorckat]

I'm also investigation proof so I can't even clear myself that way.

What does that mean? How is a town role investigation proof?

vote: Bookitty

I doubt there's more than one role that fusses with investigations like that.

[Patrick]

Votecount

destructor (1) -- thedragonsprincess
thedragonsprincess (1) -- Bookitty
Bookitty (2) -- destructor, gorckat

Not voting: Crub, Phate, soupfly
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Crub]

Let's get to the next page

I wanna hear what kitty has to say ... and it better be good

[gorckat]

Yay for 17 posts of spam

[Crub]

I feel bad spamming the thread though

[destructor]

Boo's apparently got 2 strikes left. Can't she just use one? She is at L-2 after all.

And the fact that we're having to spam a thread to see more content from her makes me more sceptical.

[Bookitty]

I agree that I should use my second strike rather than spam up the thread. I have one more (not sure if exceeding BOTH the word count and posting counts as one or two strikes). Because I'm so small, I'm immune to all night actions except for the nightkill. I read that to mean I can't be protected, investigated, whatever. That said, I have no night actions myself, so regardless of the weird flavour of my role, I'm essentially a vanilla townie.

I think we should look more closely at Phate and Crub. Also, to prevent the LYLO situation, if town decides I should be lynched, I think it would be better for me to deliberately exceed my word count/post count so that I will be modkilled, so we only lose one townie and don't go to night. That verifies my claim without the risk of the nightkills. Agreed?

[destructor]

Rule number 8 says modkills take the place of a day's lynch, so getting yourself modkilled would be the equivalent of self-hammering.

I still find the PR iffy and the whole night actions thing doesn't help a heap. You didn't answer gorckat's question about a town being 'investigation' proof. And why'd you bring that up, anyway? Our Cop is dead.

Also, I'm not liking the way you seem to be cleaning up the edges of your claim in each post. First you didn't mention the restriction of 2 posts per page or the 150-word limit, then you didn't mention the three strikes rule. You also only mentioned being investigation proof in 680 but in your last post expand that to

all

night actions besides nightkills.

This will be impossible to clarify, short of you dying, but given the nature of your role, I'm surprised the Mod didn't inform you that you'd already used a strike up.

Your role claim is sounding very outlandish.

That said, I don't feel comfortable about lynching you just yet.

Unvote

Because you were at L-2 and I want to do some more rereading before this day is done.

[thedragonsprincess]

sorry for the lack of posting the past few days- we had some horrible windstorms here and our internet was out. but now I'm back.... I'm confused why originally bookitty placed a vote on me claiming she had previous suspicions on me, but then on the same page states that we should begin looking at phate and crub, but doesnt give a reason why. once we reach the next page- care to elaborate your reasons bookitty?

[gorckat]

Also, I'm not liking the way you seem to be cleaning up the edges of your claim in each post. First you didn't mention the restriction of 2 posts per page or the 150-word limit, then you didn't mention the three strikes rule. You also only mentioned being investigation proof in 680 but in your last post expand that to all night actions besides nightkills.

I refuse to say QFT, but that's what I mean.

I'd imagine a person with a restriction like that would be trying to max out each post, especially once people know you have one.

[destructor]

Haven't found the time for a reread yet.

I wouldn't mind hearing more from soup and Phate. Where the hell is Phate?

Mod: Can Phate be prodded please?

[Patrick]

Phate has been prodded.

[destructor]

I just finished doing some sort of a simulation and I think we should consider a No Lynch today.

I need to look over it again, but basically, if we mislynch today the town's chance of winning will be reduced to less than 40% and we'll either be in lylo or have a scum win. Lynching scum will give us a 55% chance of winning and No Lynch gives us 42% and is guaranteed to take us to Day 5 at the least. All of this is assuming scum kill every night.

I'll elaborate more when I've got a bit more time. You guys better appreciate this. It took me hours! =D

[Crub]

I just finished doing some sort of a simulation and I think we should consider a No Lynch today.

I need to look over it again, but basically, if we mislynch today the town's chance of winning will be reduced to less than 40% and we'll either be in lylo or have a scum win. Lynching scum will give us a 55% chance of winning and No Lynch gives us 42% and is guaranteed to take us to Day 5 at the least. All of this is assuming scum kill every night.

I'll elaborate more when I've got a bit more time. You guys better appreciate this. It took me hours! =D

Did you forget about the possibility of 2 kills tonight?

[destructor]

No, I factored that in. Given the Oman night kill I think it's safe to assume the second killer is pro-town and will only kill if it's safe. Before I explain the scenarios further, I'd like to hear what the rest of you think.

Bookitty, anther question for you: What is your actual

role

? We've seen every role name so far being associated with a more traditional role. You've explained to us your flavour, but have made no mention of your actual role.

[Crub]

That said, I have no night actions myself, so regardless of the weird flavour of my role, I'm essentially a vanilla townie.

She already answered that

I don't understand why Oman's death means that we won't get a 2nd kill tonight if we no lynch?

[Phate]

With 7 alive, I think a nolynch is bad for town. I'm mildly skeptical of BooKitty's claim, but she seems genuine.

Vote: destructor

[destructor]

Phate, as comforting as being near-confirmed may be, it's not an excuse to play badly. Your vote's just stupid.

[gorckat]

Given the Oman night kill I think it's safe to assume the second killer is pro-town

Even though Oman was heavily hinting/blatantly saying he had a unique role which may have threatened both mafia and an SK?

And I think Kitty can post again...