Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!

[Korlash]

And what do you want to know about my posts exactly?

[Hjallti]

MelodyMan23 replaces Disciple Slayer

from now.

[Hjallti]

Still the same vote count.

I wil reimpose a 2 week retractable deathline:

This day will end not later than feb 19th, CET 11.30 am, which is in 2 weeks and 3 hours (and 13 minutes) away from the timestamp of this post.

Official Vote Count

RossWilliam

: 4 (JDodge, TheSweatspantsNinja, klebian, Phate)

Phate

: 1 (RossWilliam)

Korlash

: 1 (MelodyMan23)

MelodyMan23

: 1 (Korlash)

TheSweatspantsNinja

: 1 (Shanba)

klebian

: 1 (Crub)

Not voting

: 4 (neko2086, tyhess*, skitzer, killa seven)

[neko2086]

Looks like we just need one more replacement.

Welcome, MelodyMan. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Killa Seven, now would be a good time to start getting input from you. Who strikes you as town, who strikes you as scum, etc.

From what I can see so far, TSN and Korlash are towards the top of my scum list for reasons already stated. RW seems like newbie town atm, but he could also be newbie scum. Thus, the 4 on the RW wagon make me a bit nervous. I would agree with Crub that there is probably scum on that wagon somewhere, and seeing how none of them gave much, if any, reasoning, it would pretty much give the scum a free pass (hey, all four of us can't be scum, right? so if they didn't give any reasoning, why should I?). On the other hand, because it's so likely at least one of the four is scum, that makes the townie(s)(though I highly doubt all three scum would be dumb enough to join the same wagon like that) on that wagon an easy target, so Crub could very well have randomly picked someone, or, if he's scum, he could have "randomly" picked a townie. For now, though, Crub seems more town.

Skitzer has been very lurky, and that makes me nervous. He hasn't really done much this whole game that would suggest he's town. But, he hasn't really dropped a lot of scumtells either, though I did have some minor points against him initially. For now, he's toward the top of the scumlist.

I need to hear from a few people before I place my vote, so let's keep talking, everyone.

[killa seven]

how many votes does it take to get a lynch?
well ross williams seems to be under the mostpressure and he hasnt dont much to defend himself, maybe hes tryna back off now or just new to the game, i dont see much on skitzer that would suggest hes scum atm for the time he has posted.
korlash strikes me most likely to be scum atm..

Hey I missed all the fun you guys had back when it happened so I had to get my something in. And for all his VIness I still think his replacement deserves at least one vote and a nice bit of pressure.

this was his first post back and seems very desperate to try and get someone lynched.. ill more into it later and drop a vote before the deadline.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Man, this day's gone on too long. I'm getting desperate to get someone lynched. The post that really sets me off wrong about rw is:

to all the people who are voting for me, i think it says something to my innocence that I'm still here posting and defending myself when it would be so gosh-darn easy for to slip into lurking and let the whole thing blow other.

[skitzer]

Man, this day's gone on too long.

I'm getting desperate to get someone lynched.

The post that really sets me off wrong about rw is:

to all the people who are voting for me, i think it says something to my innocence that I'm still here posting and defending myself when it would be so gosh-darn easy for to slip into lurking and let the whole thing blow other.

Bolded makes me somewhat suspicious of TSN. Although TSN quoted a very suspicious post by RW too.

Not very big leads, but suspicions all the same.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

It was intended as a response to killa seven saying the same thing about korlash in the above post.

[neko2086]

Sorry, I don't see what you're getting at, TSN... K7 is saying Korlash is desperate to get someone lynched, which wouldn't be a good thing. Now, are you saying you're also desperate to get someone lynched? I don't see what you're trying to tell K7 and if it's supposed to help you in any way. I'm really confused. I think I'm not getting something here...

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

It was

not entirely serious

. It doesn't really matter anyway, we have a deadline, so whether we want to get this day over or not, we don't have a choice.



I swear, I should stop being anything less than dead serious in mafia games.

[MelodyMan23]

Hey everyone, I'm posting to let you guys know I'm here. Got some reading to do, I'll vote soon.

[RossWilliam]

TSN, that post was out of frusteration. I made the classic mistake of letting mafia games get me emotional.

[Korlash]

Oh I got it TSN... Laughed a bit too... found it halarious Neko didn't actaully! XD

Your going to have to try very hard in order to convice me that I'm desperate to lynch someone that has one vote... I mean if I was desperate I would totally go after someone with at least 3 votes... Unless your going to say I have a personal vendetta against DS. Which... is not only insane but useless. I mean a vendetta against an idiot? O.o waste of my time if you ask me.

From what I can see so far, TSN and Korlash are towards the top of my scum list for reasons already stated.

And what reasons are those? That I always look scummy? sorry i don't remember anything you ever really sad about me. Or TSN for that matter... But who knows...

[Shanba]

And what do you want to know about my posts exactly?

If Klebian has a different perspective on them to everyone else? Hell, egtting players opinions on other players is interesting just to force them to commit.

[MelodyMan23]

[b]Vote: RossWilliam[/b]

I'm getting scummy vibes from TSN & RW. RW has more votes so I'm goin with him.

[skitzer]

MelodyMan, although you are new, that does not make sense. Maybe if you were to explain your suspicions in-thread for everyone to see, you would find one more scummy than the other, rather than base it on others' votes alone.

[klebian]

Sorry I've been kind of lurky. I haven't had much to goo on, except for maybe killa seven not replying to whoever's "Are you scum?" question.

This is a pretty weird post. It seemed to me that jdodge was just asking this question, almost as an introduction for killa. And this is all you have to go on? I find this a bit suspicious/strange.

This game is seriously painful.

I'm not a big fan of the RW bandwagon so I'm jumping on klebian.

vote klebian

There's scum on that there wagon.

I note your shift from apathy to antipathy toward the RW wagon. I will agree that it's obviously not the strongest reasons for a wagon, but I do think it seems a bit late to be jumping on a wagoner, especially seemingly randomly.

Concerning korlash's first post. I thought it was a decent read. I agree with his reasoning against DS for the most part, and his argument against post 119 is valid.

His post 221, I liked less.

As for your fence sitting i don't think that makes you scum at all. Unless you and DS are scum partners that is. Then yeah, its a valid point. But I don't see that... (yet) In fact I think not being on the fence here is scummy. I mean on one hand you have a player acting blatantly anti-town. Every town should at least want him out of the game. At the same time we all have to consider him just a "Village idiot" and thus the fence sitting.

This makes little sense to me. Their seems to be egregious contradictions, and his statement 'not being on the fence is scummy' just doesn't sit well- just because there are reasons against him and reasons for him doesn't mean that we shouldn't form an opinion regarding him...
The other parts of this post are pretty much him joking.

Secondly WTF is DS even a topic of discussion right now? He's about to be replaced. I think we can safely put DS's play down to his VI meta and hope he get's replaced by someone who isn't a VI.

I don't like this. First off, there was a DS discussion because korlash was recapping his opinions on the game. Also, I don't agree that you can excuse scumminess for meta and go on with it. And even more, this post seems like counter productive to discussion. It should never be the wrong time to discuss someone's behavior, and just because he is about to be replaced doesn't mean we can't do analysis on him.

I can never read Korlash. He always strikes me as either scum or stupid town.

Also, he's pushing a VI lynch, citing one game (well, not really citing, just vaguely mentioning some other game) where VI claimed, retracted, and was scum.

I agree with the fact that his vague reference doesn't give him real basis for his vote. But I do not think that there is anything wrong with pushing for a VI lynch, if one does think he is scummy...

/me sighs.

kleb: which player do you suspect most at the moment? What do you make of Korlashes posts?

There is no one who at this point truly sticks out as most suspicious. I am still ok with the Ross wagon though I don't see it developing into a lynch too soon and I don't think that at this point it even should be a lynch without some more discussion. I am happier that the game has gotten a little more fast-paced and I will be contributing as well.

Neko, you earlier noted that you had a comment for RW but you don't seem to have made it. (Or was it just regarding his reaction to jdodge's vote?)

From what I can see so far, TSN and Korlash are towards the top of my scum list for reasons already stated. RW seems like newbie town atm, but he could also be newbie scum. Thus, the 4 on the RW wagon make me a bit nervous. I would agree with Crub that there is probably scum on that wagon somewhere, and seeing how none of them gave much, if any, reasoning, it would pretty much give the scum a free pass (hey, all four of us can't be scum, right? so if they didn't give any reasoning, why should I?). On the other hand, because it's so likely at least one of the four is scum, that makes the townie(s)(though I highly doubt all three scum would be dumb enough to join the same wagon like that) on that wagon an easy target, so Crub could very well have randomly picked someone, or, if he's scum, he could have "randomly" picked a townie. For now, though, Crub seems more town.

This is quite wishy-washy and I don't like it at all. First, you haven't said

much

about tsn and korlash so far. Also, I'm not sure why the RW wagoners make you nervous when you say he could be newbie scum as well as town. And the rest of your post sounds a lot like random gibberish, with unclear reasoning towards your conclusion that crub seems more town.

Man, this day's gone on too long.

I'm getting desperate to get someone lynched.

The post that really sets me off wrong about rw is:

to all the people who are voting for me, i think it says something to my innocence that I'm still here posting and defending myself when it would be so gosh-darn easy for to slip into lurking and let the whole thing blow other.

Bolded makes me somewhat suspicious of TSN. Although TSN quoted a very suspicious post by RW too.

Not very big leads, but suspicions all the same.

At first I was going to agree with you, but rereading killa's post, it does seem like skitzer is joking... it seems as if he had intended the "I'm" to be italicized, to indicate that even he is 'getting desperate', as killa said about korlash.

It was

not entirely serious

. It doesn't really matter anyway, we have a deadline, so whether we want to get this day over or not, we don't have a choice.
I swear, I should stop being anything less than dead serious in mafia games.

Sometimes this is a better idea =P... or if you're gonna not be serious, make it clear. Sarcasm doesn't pass well over teh internetz.

Your going to have to try very hard in order to convice me that I'm desperate to lynch someone that has one vote... I mean if I was desperate I would totally go after someone with at least 3 votes... Unless your going to say I have a personal vendetta against DS. Which... is not only insane but useless. I mean a vendetta against an idiot? O.o waste of my time if you ask me.

Though a lot of this post seems like a mess of speaking, I agree with the first statement. Killa's point against korlash that he is getting desperate does seem like a pretty crappy point, as korlash was just saying he wanted to put some pressure.

Melody: I agree with skitzer. Number of votes should not at this point affect your choice on votes, unless we are within a day or 2 of deadline, which we are not. Also it seems like you are picking 2 of the 'crowd favorites' to get scummy vibes from. Any opinion on other players other than those two?

[Crub]

Well that post didn't do anything to ease my mind about your alignment kleb.

Shanba what are your thoughts on klebian?

[neko2086]

And what reasons are those? That I always look scummy? sorry i don't remember anything you ever really sad about me. Or TSN for that matter... But who knows...

I've already stated these, but since klebian doesn't seem to have seen them either, these are my biggest problems with you two:
For you, you like to advocate lynches regardless of whether they're town or scum, because you don't want them in the endgame.

For TSN, used a similar argument against DS, also for suggesting lynching an inactive.

Neko, you earlier noted that you had a comment for RW but you don't seem to have made it. (Or was it just regarding his reaction to jdodge's vote?)

My only comment was that your lynch is not inevitable, so you might do yourself a favor and chill out a bit, which, it appears you have momentarily.

This question need not have been asked.

Also, I'm not sure why the RW wagoners make you nervous when you say he could be newbie scum as well as town. And the rest of your post sounds a lot like random gibberish, with unclear reasoning towards your conclusion that crub seems more town.

OK, The wording might have been awkward, but what I'm saying is that RW is most likely newbie town, therefore the wagon on him likely contains scum after an easy target. Crub, still not sure about. He seems to be a proactive player so far, so I'm leaning toward believing he's town. I will say though, Crub, that I would like to know what it is about klebian's post that suggests something about his alignment to you.

MM, I'd also like you to share your thoughts in at least a little detail.

[MelodyMan23]

[quote="skitzer"]MelodyMan, although you are new, that does not make sense. Maybe if you were to explain your suspicions in-thread for everyone to see, you would find one more scummy than the other, rather than base it on others' votes alone.[/quote]

I voted RW because his posts seemed to be all over the place, along with the fact that the more fingers that were pointed at him the more panicky he got. If he was just an average towine why would he get so upset and frantic? Then all of a sudden he got all calm and composed and that drastic midset change just kind of screamed guilty to me. Another reason that I voted RW was that my bad feelings about TSN were nothing more than just bad feelings, having a more solid base for my assumptions I went with RW. The votes stacked against him confirmed my assumptions more than anything, but they were not the only thing that influenced my decision. Sorry if my wording confused you.

[Crub]

You need to turn bbcode on in your posts.

BTW just in case you weren't aware your vote didn't count.

And can I just confirm, you find him scummy because he wasn't composed, and now he's composed he's even scummier? Just how exactly do you want him to react?

What are your thoughts on klebian?

[neko2086]

I don't know if you noticed, but nobody on the RW wagon really explained themselves, so saying that the fact there's a wagon on RW point to him being scum is not really justifiable in that context.

[Crub]

I will say though, Crub, that I would like to know what it is about klebian's post that suggests something about his alignment to you.

OMGUS = bad mmk.

[Crub]

Secondly WTF is DS even a topic of discussion right now? He's about to be replaced. I think we can safely put DS's play down to his VI meta and hope he get's replaced by someone who isn't a VI.

I don't like this. First off, there was a DS discussion because korlash was recapping his opinions on the game. Also, I don't agree that you can excuse scumminess for meta and go on with it. And even more, this post seems like counter productive to discussion. It should never be the wrong time to discuss someone's behavior, and just because he is about to be replaced doesn't mean we can't do analysis on him.

So what information do you think you're going to be able to gain from putting pressure on someone who has flaked and hasn't been replaced yet? Do you really believe attacking someone who isn't in the game is productive?

[MelodyMan23]

And can I just confirm, you find him scummy because he wasn't composed, and now he's composed he's even scummier? Just how exactly do you want him to react?

Yes, in a nutshell this is why I found RW scummy. However now reviewing the topic I just realize the RW bandwagon was just that, a bandwagon so...

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