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[Lapsa]

Transcend isn't spammy enough to be town

but his vote also wasn't a cause to scum read him

Unvote

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

this looks like fun

good

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey lapsa how sure are you on 4t
I get scum pings, you see?
at the moment I have him as null
but that null read isn't one that's dull

[PMysterious]

Really like this post
Reasoning that I could follow and understand. It also makes sense to me

PMysterious's timing sucks on that one

I was slow to the party, I get it. However, I don't want Gamma to get away (or in this case, lynched) without explaining his reasons. While Gamma is V/LA at the moment, that doesn't mean I can't ask questions that everyone can just quote to make sure Gamma sees them when he comes back.

[Lapsa]

hey lapsa how sure are you on 4t
I get scum pings, you see?
at the moment I have him as null
but that null read isn't one that's dull

no

I don't see what kind of scum pings you are getting - your ISO is silent about that

[Egg]

Fourtrouble, it starts here:

Because troll votes don't serve any purpose. No one would ever lynch a confirmed town, it's not pro-scum because it leads to nothing, his vote doesn't benefit scum in any way. I would say it's actually more pro-town because it evokes interactions like the one we're having, and that's all D1 is about.

He's looking at not just what happened (transcend voted lapsa) but why. Specifically, what motivation would scum have to do it. Then he comes to a conclusion I agree with which is a lack of scum motivation. Seeing it as town because lolreactions isn't something I agree with, but it's something I can follow and something I believed in years ago.

Yes it does, I think it's a bad reason to vote for him (granted it was the beginning of the day so you need some reason to vote) but I don't like the fact that 4 people jumped on him. And no I'm not trying to paint anyone scummy, I just think the reason for the vote is bad, that's all.

Then here, it would be easy for opportunistic scum looking for a safe push to say "the people who don't think how I do are scum". But he acknowledges that people can be wrong and still be town which is what he seems to believe is happening here.

I just really like the thought process he shows here and no one has given me any reason to think otherwise.

[Lapsa]

Really like this post
Reasoning that I could follow and understand. It also makes sense to me

PMysterious's timing sucks on that one

I was slow to the party, I get it. However, I don't want Gamma to get away (or in this case, lynched) without explaining his reasons.
While Gamma is V/LA at the moment, that doesn't mean I can't ask questions that everyone can just quote to make sure Gamma sees them when he comes back.

will ensure everybody quotes your questions

[WhyMafia]

Lynching transcend is like the easiest wagon
In addition, it's probably a joke vote? I think any player would realize voting a mod confirmed town is completely pointless. Considering it was RVS and the first post in the game, I don't think anything a player posts at that point in the game would have a motive

The ease of a wagon has little to do with whether someone is scum. But the fact that you'd focus on a wagon's ease as opposed to the player's alignment, that's concerning.

Everyone has a motive for their posts, including RVS posts. Townies typically want to get out of RVS as quickly as they can, while scum don't really care how long RVS lasts, since they're just trying to avoid getting caught.

In my opinion it does. If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon, with solid reasoning they probably would. Meanwhile town would, or rather should, critically look and analyze everyone's posts, even if there's an easier lynch target. And I think it was obvious based on my other posts what I think on transcend (that he's null)
However, I don't like his wagon, which therefore is giving me a nulltown read (albeit very thin)

[WhyMafia]

Lynching transcend is like the easiest wagon
In addition, it's probably a joke vote? I think any player would realize voting a mod confirmed town is completely pointless. Considering it was RVS and the first post in the game, I don't think anything a player posts at that point in the game would have a motive

The ease of a wagon has little to do with whether someone is scum. But the fact that you'd focus on a wagon's ease as opposed to the player's alignment, that's concerning.

Everyone has a motive for their posts, including RVS posts. Townies typically want to get out of RVS as quickly as they can, while scum don't really care how long RVS lasts, since they're just trying to avoid getting caught.

Oh and
Regarding the RVS post then
Wouldn't his post have town motive in that it began discussion rather than continuing to troll around? Like a scum could have picked a random target, and nothing would've been thought of it. Meanwhile he has chosen to stimulate discussion right off the bat

[Lapsa]

Then he

[Crush]

comes to a conclusion I agree with which is a lack of

[Transcend's]

scum motivation.

There's no possibility of deriving anything meaningful from Transcend's vote and

that itself is scummy,

it obscures his motives.

this is a very useful dissonance

both opinions are valid

[Boonskiies]

Vote Count 1.03

Gamma Emerald [7]:

PMysterious, WhyMafia, Egg, platinum, Transcend, Lapsa, Ginngie, Lexa

Transcend [4]:

PenguinPower, Tchill13, pisskop, massive

Crush [2]:

FourTrouble, Transcend

pisskop [1]:

Theta Alpine

texcat [1]:

Albert B. Rampage

platinum [1]:

Gamma Emerald

MuttonChopMagic [1]:

Lore,

WhyMafia [1]:

Vifam,

Lore [1]:

MuttonChopMagic

PenguinPower [1]:

texcat

Not Voting [1]:

Crush,

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to lynch.

Deadline ends in (expired on 2017-06-13 19:30:00) on

June 13th.

Mod Notes:

[FourTrouble]

In my opinion it does. If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon, with solid reasoning they probably would. Meanwhile town would, or rather should, critically look and analyze everyone's posts, even if there's an easier lynch target. And I think it was obvious based on my other posts what I think on transcend (that he's null)
However, I don't like his wagon, which therefore is giving me a nulltown read (albeit very thin)

If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon with solid reasoning on town, sure. But that assumes the person is town, something scum do but not town. If town think someone is scum, regardless of whether it's an easy wagon (and maybe precisely because it's easy and solid), they'll vote that person as quickly as scum would (and maybe quicker if the player is in fact scum). My point is that the ease of a wagon doesn't tell you much about the alignments the wagoners unless you have a clear read on the player (and you've been pretty clear that you've got Transcend as null, which means the ease of the wagon shouldn't be entering your analysis).

[Lapsa]

I was slow to the party, I get it. However, I don't want Gamma to get away (or in this case, lynched) without explaining his reasons.

how is that getting away?

[Transcend]

Yo Lexa

I literally just got done being scum with you and i posted over 900 times that game lol

Pedit: VOTE: Gamma

[Egg]

Then he

[Crush]

comes to a conclusion I agree with which is a lack of

[Transcend's]

scum motivation.

There's no possibility of deriving anything meaningful from Transcend's vote and

that itself is scummy,

it obscures his motives.

this is a very useful dissonance

both opinions are valid

I understand fourtrouble thinking that, but like I said, it's overthinking. I think transcends thought process was more "lol this would be funny, imma do it" than "oooo if I vote lapsa, no one will know what I actually want".

[WhyMafia]

what is that picture tho
P-EDIT - referring to the VC, so many sudden posts XD

[FourTrouble]

@WhyMafia - why'd you say my initial townread on PM was weird?

[Transcend]

10 pages in and people are still discussing my meme vote

[Lapsa]

@crush place a vote, please

[WhyMafia]

In my opinion it does. If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon, with solid reasoning they probably would. Meanwhile town would, or rather should, critically look and analyze everyone's posts, even if there's an easier lynch target. And I think it was obvious based on my other posts what I think on transcend (that he's null)
However, I don't like his wagon, which therefore is giving me a nulltown read (albeit very thin)

If scum have the opportunity to take an easy wagon with solid reasoning on town, sure. But that assumes the person is town, something scum do but not town. If town think someone is scum, regardless of whether it's an easy wagon (and maybe precisely because it's easy and solid), they'll vote that person as quickly as scum would (and maybe quicker if the player is in fact scum). My point is that the ease of a wagon doesn't tell you much about the alignments the wagoners unless you have a clear read on the player (and you've been pretty clear that you've got Transcend as null, which means the ease of the wagon shouldn't be entering your analysis).

I just feel like this is a scum driven wagon. I am not sure how to articulate this properly, but I feel that the faults of Transcend's posts were grossly exaggerated
Gahhh I know what you mean, but I just don't know how to properly say what I am trying to say

[pisskop]

wholly cows.

gamma, youve got quite the wagon

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia - why'd you say my initial townread on PM was weird?

I don't see how these
8
15
Can give you a town read

[pisskop]

Yo Lexa

I literally just got done being scum with you and i posted over 900 times that game lol

Pedit: VOTE: Gamma

gamma is l-4?

lemme position him to be quicklynched.

[Transcend]

True

[Lapsa]

@WhyMafia - why'd you say my initial townread on PM was weird?

I don't see how these
8
15
Can give you a town read

good

@four_trouble how come?

[FourTrouble]

@WhyMafia - what do you think of Gamma?