Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[Mizzy]

I don't think we'll have two trium claims today.

Simply because it would be (IMO) unlikely that two out of three triums would play despondently enough to warrant themselves as a potential lynch candidate.

But it IS possible that we might find a scummer who decides Miztef's way out looks damned shiny, too.

[Elmo]

I think it's likely enough that he's telling the truth.

[TrustGossip]

I don't think we'll have two trium claims today.

Simply because it would be (IMO) unlikely that two out of three triums would play despondently enough to warrant themselves as a potential lynch candidate.

But it IS possible that we might find a scummer who decides Miztef's way out looks damned shiny, too.

But that doesn't make sense.

Rishi managed to throw off any and all heat on his predecessor with his claim and accompanying suggestion.

What's to say a townie claim isn't more apt than triumvirate?

In addition, a triumvirate claim warrants a good deal of night investigation priority while a townie claim does not.

[skitzer]

SECRET PLAN REVEALED!

OK, someone said it would be a good idea to lynch the player who last posted the longest time ago. So I said I agreed, intending someone to post to avoid lynch like the scummy scum they are.

So I observed, phate seemed to come out first, and as I read through the thread, another suspicion, Cephrir, also jumped out as well.

Vote: Cephrir

This may not make sense to you, but it does to me.

[Mizzy]

But that doesn't make sense.

Rishi managed to throw off any and all heat on his predecessor with his claim and accompanying suggestion.

What's to say a townie claim isn't more apt than triumvirate?

In addition, a triumvirate claim warrants a good deal of night investigation priority while a townie claim does not.

I didn't say it made sense...I just said it was

possible

. I'm trying to look at all of the outcomes I can see that

might

happen. *Sigh* I'll just STFU.

[TrustGossip]

SECRET PLAN REVEALED!

OK, someone said it would be a good idea to lynch the player who last posted the longest time ago. So I said I agreed, intending someone to post to avoid lynch like the scummy scum they are.

So I observed, phate seemed to come out first, and as I read through the thread, another suspicion, Cephrir, also jumped out as well.

Vote: Cephrir

This may not make sense to you, but it does to me.

what.

[TrustGossip]

But that doesn't make sense.

Rishi managed to throw off any and all heat on his predecessor with his claim and accompanying suggestion.

What's to say a townie claim isn't more apt than triumvirate?

In addition, a triumvirate claim warrants a good deal of night investigation priority while a townie claim does not.

I didn't say it made sense...I just said it was

possible

. I'm trying to look at all of the outcomes I can see that

might

happen. *Sigh* I'll just STFU.

Mizzy don't worry. Your level of earnestness earns you townie points in my book. It's just I have some qualms with some of your conclusions. There is no use in being disenheartened.

[skitzer]

Cephrir had not posted for a while, whoever announced the plan to lynch the person who last posted the longest ago, Cephrir is on Miztef (I think) lurker list, Cephrir soon posts afterwards

Get it?

[Elmo]

Mmm. I can certainly see where skitzer is coming from. Personally I'm not sure

b

was caused by

a

, but you can see what he's aiming for.

[Rishi]

Cephrir had not posted for a while, whoever announced the plan to lynch the person who last posted the longest ago, Cephrir is on Miztef (I think) lurker list, Cephrir soon posts afterwards

Get it?

Cephrir posted because I voted for him and had some suspicions on him.

Or did you miss that?

[Cephrir]

SECRET PLAN REVEALED!

OK, someone said it would be a good idea to lynch the player who last posted the longest time ago. So I said I agreed, intending someone to post to avoid lynch like the scummy scum they are.

So I observed, phate seemed to come out first, and as I read through the thread, another suspicion, Cephrir, also jumped out as well.

Vote: Cephrir

This may not make sense to you, but it does to me.

Yeah, I totally saw you say that and was like OMG I HAVE TO POST OR SKITZER WILL LYNCH ME!!!11!1

Except not.

[TrustGossip]

Cephrir had not posted for a while, whoever announced the plan to lynch the person who last posted the longest ago, Cephrir is on Miztef (I think) lurker list, Cephrir soon posts afterwards

Get it?

Skitzer, I don't think you're capable of independent thought.

[Mastermind of Sin]

What Elmo is doing causes people to overanalyze those posts.

I see.

How do you feel we should best scumhunt without being in danger of overanalyzing other people's posts?

It's simple, really. Try analyzing the posts yourself instead of making other people do it. If you see a specific post you think is worth mentioning, analyze it yourself. If you think there are people who are not contributing enough and you want to see some analysis from them, ask them to analyze a specific *person*, or just ask for analysis in general, but don't point them to a specific post and ask them to analyze it, because there is too much possibility of the results being skewed by focusing them on it. To put it to analogy, it's like putting a magnifying glass over an ant on the sidewalk. Sure, people can see the ant through it, but you're also likely to light the ant on fire, too. You could've just told people to look at the bugs in section of the sidewalk, and they would've seen the ant without need for a magnifying glass.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Phate, can you break up your replies into separate quotes next time? I hate it when people put their responses inside someone else's quote. It's really painful to have to do extra formatting of my posts just because you were too lazy to make your posts easier to read.

Vote: MoS because after a reread, I think I was correct in my initial suspicion of him, and if he turns out to be a townie after all, he will be decreasingly active in his games. I don't really want to be part of an endgame with a lurker.

Scum love lynching lurkers, yes they do! Easy kills.

Yeah, they do like lynching lurkers. That's not actually what I was proposing, though. Read what you're quoting and see what I wrote: 1) I think he's scum and my initial suspicions were correct, and 2) as an afterthought, his potential for being an endgame lurker is icing on his lynch's cake.

I don't have *any* potential for being an endgame lurker. I hate lurkers. The reason I notified everyone of my decreased activity is because I may not post for a couple days at a time without being able to notify you in advance, and I just won't be on the site as often. If we get to a point where I'm so inactive that it will actually affect the game in a negative way, I will ask for replacement so that the game doesn't suffer.

Asking someone what's up with someone else's post is at least as good as pointing it out yourself. If there's nothing to be found in a post, they'll tell you so - it won't send them on a "wild goose chase".

No, having someone else do your scumhunting for you is not really part of the game. It is a good way, as it was already said, of getting the info out there without catching blame yourself.

Pointing out someone's post and asking someone else what's up with it != having someone else do your scumhunting for you. I honestly can't see that as a viable scumtactic

at all

.

If you really think that's true, then I can't wait for the day I play a game with you where I'm scum. Heck, anyone who's played with Pooky as scum can tell you that it's a great scumtactic. You have no idea how often entire towns have been snowed by a scum seeming to contribute by asking everyone else to give their opinions on various topics instead of actually contributing his own opinion. It's a great active-lurker tactic, too.

Do a recent meta of me. Watch my post count drop sharply in the last few months, then gradually begin to recuperate, with my 'meaty' post located almost exclusively on or near weekends. Things are going on in my life that takes precedence over mafia, but they're coming to an end, and I will have more time soon.

Already did, and what I dislike is that you were busy and yet stayed in the game when you could have been replaced with an active player. You posted just enough to get by, no more, and no less. Real life does come first, but it's not good or okay for busy players to active-lurk and bitch about the length of the game at the same time.

No, that's a bad idea. It's better for a player to have decreased activity if they know it'll get better later on than to have to replace them with an entirely new player. Replacements can kill games almost as much as inactivity can. It's better to have the same players all the way through the game if at all possible. That's why, as a mod, I prod players who haven't posted within the last 3-5 days, and then I replace them *IF* they don't post or notify me of a period of V/LA that they know they will return from.

If you ARE a PR, then get off your ass and act like a townie.

Another thing I disagree with. It's not really a protown player's job to worry about "acting protown". They should be more worried about hunting scum and being correct in their opinions. That's not to say they should be all "fuck the world, I don't care what you think of me", but you can't just tell someone to "act protown", because if they're protown, they're probably already trying to do that. It's an empty statement that is fairly misleading.

I don't believe him because every single aspect of his play so far has been indicative of scum hunting the triums rather than triums trying to blend in with the townies.

Why the

HELL

would a Trium member advocate a massclaim? Come on, people. I would have believed a vanilla claim out of Miztef much faster than a trium claim. Not too long ago he was talking about how claims are irrelevant - that was because he found it more likely that he was going to get a trium lynched than to be close to lynch himself. Now, naturally, he's changed his mind.

Nothing in Miztef's prior play has suggested trium at all. No breadcrumbs, nothing.

Someone has already mentioned that we can't just go "oh, ok" and meekly unvote every time anyone claims triumvirate. Because, you know, scum lie sometimes.

I don't see why being a Trium member automatically means you'd be unwilling to mass claim. If a strategy was devised where mass claim could help the town, you should support it regardless of your role. If Miztef was convinced that mass claim would help the town, he would support it. I don't think that supporting it is a good enough reason to think that he's not a Trium, but I have to admit, I didn't think Miztef would claim Trium either. I totally had him pegged as a townie in the back of my mind, but then again, what's not to say that he was trying to play like a townie so he wasn't found by scum?

Either way, I don't think we should lynch him today. His defense seems earnest, so I believe his claim.

[Elmo]

If you really think that's true, then I can't wait for the day I play a game with you where I'm scum. Heck, anyone who's played with Pooky as scum can tell you that it's a great scumtactic. You have no idea how often entire towns have been snowed by a scum seeming to contribute by asking everyone else to give their opinions on various topics instead of actually contributing his own opinion.

Hm. Would you happen to have a good example or two, from memory?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Not offhand, no.

[TrustGossip]

SECRET PLAN REVEALED!

OK, someone said it would be a good idea to lynch the player who last posted the longest time ago. So I said I agreed, intending someone to post to avoid lynch like the scummy scum they are.

So I observed, phate seemed to come out first, and as I read through the thread, another suspicion, Cephrir, also jumped out as well.

Vote: Cephrir

This may not make sense to you, but it does to me.

You realize that this post looks incredibly advantageous don't you? We're four days from deadline and you post after not posting in a bit with a vote you concede that you came to an independent conclusion upon and do not provide evidence? Mafia is not a game played in a vacuum.

Please explain yourself or I believe I found a comfortable place to stamp my vote upon.

[Mizzy]

You realize that this post looks incredibly advantageous don't you? We're four days from deadline and you post after not posting in a bit with a vote you concede that you came to an independent conclusion upon and do not provide evidence? Mafia is not a game played in a vacuum.

Please explain yourself or I believe I found a comfortable place to stamp my vote upon.

It also seems interesting that this (skitzer's odd vote) comes after Ceph posted asking why he was being targeted for lurkerish-actions but skitzer was not. That pings my scumdar.

IGMEOY: Skitzer

[Rishi]

Four days to deadline. Who are we lynching? Pointing fingers and speculating are not all that productive right now. I don't like listmaking, but we need to do something.

I would be comfortable with lynching any of the following: Cephrir, Phate, skitzer, Thin_Man, SSF, me (roughly in that order). I am not sure if I believe Miztef's claim or not, but it seems best to avoid his lynch for today.

[Cephrir]

Phate or skitzer would be good with me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Rishi, why would you be comfortable with lynching yourself over like, half the game?

[Mastermind of Sin]

NVM. Stupid question.

[Beep! Beep!]

Partial reading:

Miztef: will not vote against Trium claim today.
MoS: definitely looks pro-town.
TGossip: very worried about the back and forth between Miztef and himself. The adversarial tone feels very contrived.

[Mizzy]

Mod:

Primate (Thin_Man's main account, I believe) has not picked up prods in another game he is in with me. Thought you ought to know!

[TrustGossip]

Partial reading:

Miztef: will not vote against Trium claim today.
MoS: definitely looks pro-town.
TGossip: very worried about the back and forth between Miztef and himself. The adversarial tone feels very contrived.

What? I know this is only a partial reading but I really don't understand what you're saying in your section about me.