PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[The Fonz]

Stoofer likes LotR? I dunno, Sonny Chiba got bumped to the bottom too.

I'm also noticing that, judging by the kills so far, it appears that every single player in this game is either scum or a power role.

I saw that too. Makes a cetain amount of sense, given the flavor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an Ultimate-Showdown-of-Ultimate-Destiny-style vanilla bystander.

There is at least one Townie in this game. The Townie Role PM looks like this:

[Character Name] (Townie)

You are a good guy and win when all the bad guys are dead.

Quote tag fixed -- Stoofer

Congratulations Erg0. We know from the first page that there is at least one vanilla townie in the game, and we now know from your comment that you aren't one of them. If you're not scum, please pull your head out of your ass and stop giving scum information it's better they lack.

[Erg0]

Hence the reason that I included the phrase "judging by the kills so far" in my original statement.

[The Fonz]

True, but I don't think that kind of disclaimer works. I don't think I've ever seen a vanilla townie speculate that a game might not have any, with or without caveats.

[UltimaAvalon]

There is at least one Townie in this game. The Townie Role PM looks like this:

[Character Name] (Townie)

You are a good guy and win when all the bad guys are dead.

Congratulations Erg0. We know from the first page that there is at least one vanilla townie in the game, and we now know from your comment that you aren't one of them. If you're not scum, please pull your head out of your ass and stop giving scum information it's better they lack.

It says Townie. Not Vanilla Townie.

[Gorrad]

We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and, with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.

[Skruffs]

If you're not scum, please pull your head out of your ass and stop giving scum information it's better they lack.

This sentence works if you replace all instances of "Scum" with "Town", too.

FOS

It says Townie. Not Vanilla Townie.

UA to the rescue!

FOS

We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and,

with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.

Double play! Distract from Erg0's 'slip' and try to direct competing scum groups as well!

DOUBLE fos!

[Flameaxe]

FoS Skruffs for FoSing people.
FoS Skruffs for Double FoSing, when it was clearly not called for.

[Gorrad]

I want no one to respond to this post except Skruffs.

Skruffs, in 1144 you gave me a "big finger of suspicion", and now you give me a "DOUBLE fos". Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and vote me?

[Claus]

We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and,

with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.

Double play! Distract from Erg0's 'slip' and try to direct competing scum groups as well!

DOUBLE fos!

Gorrad is a claimed mason, and his partner died.

Just saying.

[Skruffs]

I can fos anyone I want, Claus.

I realize

that in the heat of the moment, I forgot that he was the other mason. My fos wasn't based on that.
However.
Regardless of if he is confirmed, It's really scummy to be trying to tell people to kill me, considering I don't remember him actually saying he thought I was scum earlier in the game.

Gorrad: Why would I vote you? I am happy with my fingers.

FlameAxe: Fos's noted.

[Flameaxe]

I can fos anyone I want, Claus.

I realize

that in the heat of the moment, I forgot that he was the other mason. My fos wasn't based on that.
However.
Regardless of if he is confirmed, It's really scummy to be trying to tell people to kill me, considering I don't remember him actually saying he thought I was scum earlier in the game.

Gorrad: Why would I vote you? I am happy with my fingers.

FlameAxe: Fos's noted.

Yay I got noted!

[Gorrad]

We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and,

with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.

Double play! Distract from Erg0's 'slip' and try to direct competing scum groups as well!

DOUBLE fos!

Gorrad is a claimed mason, and his partner died.

Just saying.

ARGH! I was trying to get him to admit he forgot, hence why I'm still alive d3.

Also:

Regardless of if he is confirmed, It's really scummy to be trying to tell people to kill me, considering I don't remember him actually saying he thought I was scum earlier in the game.

Ah, I didn't? Sorry 'bout that.

I think Skruffs is scum.

Sorry 'bout that.

For those wondering, reread all his d3 posts. HUGE scum vibes from all of them.

[ooba]

1. There would only be a 50% chance of him guessing the right scumgroup (pirates) if he had information based on goblin kills.

2. You're assuming that he has the information to give out in the first place.

First of all , Guardian did have information to give out since ...

Goblin Kills
1.MrBuddyLee - Luke Skywalker (Vig) - throat slit and beaten to death
2.???
3.Thok - Gandalf (Goblin Protector) - arm cleanly sliced off and skulled bashed

Goblin kill on Night 2 was missed.

And i do not understand the 50% thing , in the end Guardian only said you were 100% scum - not pirate or ninja. He made up that entire tracker story (Erg0 visitied hasdgfas - hence pirate scum) to out you as scum with his false claim of 'tracker'.

[Erg0]

1. You appear to know too much. A scum crosskill is one possible explanation for the lack of goblin kill, but it's certainly not the

only

explanation. Doctor protection or a roleblocker are equally plausible explanations, and in those scenarios Guardian would not know the reason that the goblins' target didn't die. For that matter, you're assuming that the goblins tried to kill me in the first place, which is not a given by any means.

2. I'm talking about Guardian's choice to try and pin hasdgfas' death on me. By claiming that he'd tracked me to hasdgfas, he was pegging his claim on me being a pirate (since hasdgfas died with pirate flavour), and at best he would have a 50% chance of being right about that. I don't think he thought his claim would work, he was just rolling the dice and hoping to get a townie bumped off before he was lynched.

[ooba]

1. You appear to know too much. A scum crosskill is one possible explanation for the lack of goblin kill, but it's certainly not the only explanation. Doctor protection or a roleblocker are equally plausible explanations, and in those scenarios Guardian would not know the reason that the goblins' target didn't die. For that matter, you're assuming that the goblins tried to kill me in the first place, which is not a given by any means.

I've Already commented on that possibility ...

The Fonz and Erg0 both seem protown for me, although a lot of that is from the fairly consistent play I see from both of them

I'm pretty certain Guardian was telling the truth yesterday about Erg0. But i can see a thok protector choosing to protect Erg0 on Night 2 - the kill would have failed even then.

But lets think this out from Guardian's perspective - He is going to be lynched. And we know Goblins didn't kill Night 2. So when he self hammers and gives out info , why would he lie about who he targeted Night 2? After all , taking out another scum is far more valuable to him than taking out a townie ..

[Skruffs]

You mean the whole 'suspicion of Guardian' and the speculation about what a 'goblin' was, Gorrad?

Seriously, throw me a frickin' bone here.

Guardian *believed* that Erg0 was scum; wether Thok protected Erg0 or not (It seems likely he might have) shouldn't factor into Guardian's belief that Erg0, and thok by extension, are scum in his eyes.

[Erg0]

But lets think this out from Guardian's perspective - He is going to be lynched. And we know Goblins didn't kill Night 2. So when he self hammers and gives out info , why would he lie about who he targeted Night 2?

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You're reading, but you're not comprehending. Once again, you are assuming that he had information to give. If the goblin kill was blocked by a doc then he knew

nothing

, thus your line of reasoning is invalid.

After all , taking out another scum is far more valuable to him than taking out a townie ..

Taking out scum may be more valuable than taking out a townie, but if you can't take out a scum then a townie will have to do. Also, I'd be cautious of making value judgements such as this (and your suggestion that we'd be better off if I was nightkilled) without having all of the facts in your possession. Guardian wanted me dead because it would be good for his team, and you seem to want me dead because it saves you the trouble of working things out for yourself.

[Gorrad]

No, Skruffs, that was yesterday, D2. Today is D3.

And Erg0 is correct. We have no way of knowing if Guardian was telling the truth or not. If the goblins really did target Erg0 one day, they can bloody well do it again. Today's lynch is Thesp.

[Skruffs]

oh.

Well now it all makes so much more sense, now, then, doesn't it?
Thanks.

[Gorrad]

oh.

Well now it all makes so much more sense, now, then, doesn't it?
Thanks.

You're very welcome.

[Flameaxe]

Hi.

[Gorrad]

Hello, Flameaxe. How are you? Do you feel like giving any thoughts, or are you just here to greet us?

[cicero]

1. You appear to know too much. A scum crosskill is one possible explanation for the lack of goblin kill, but it's certainly not the

only

explanation. Doctor protection or a roleblocker are equally plausible explanations, and in those scenarios Guardian would not know the reason that the goblins' target didn't die. For that matter, you're assuming that the goblins tried to kill me in the first place, which is not a given by any means.

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equally

plausible?

Come now.

[Erg0]

I fail to see the problem with that statement. Do you consider a doctor blocking a scum kill to be implausible? Just because we have a special rule in this game, you shouldn't try to attribute every non-kill to that rule.

[Twomz]

unvote

We do know one thing, Ergo probably isn't a Goblin and he was most likely the goblin's night target. But I agree that we should let the Goblin's kill him if they want.

So Thesp is probably a ninja? I can believe that, but what if Mgm just had a feeling about him and figured he would be lynched soon so he didn't target him?