PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[Rogueben]

Fact is: I would lynch Thesp, but right now I like the Erg0 wagon more. I might change the vote later, if it looks like it is indeed Thesp, and not Erg0 who is getting lynched today - but right now, both wagons seem to have the same size and momentum.

QFT

I think that Thesp's claim can be tested, and that we should try and find whoever else is likely to be scum.

To me the 100% chance Erg0 is scum call by Guardian

anyways, i tried to kill erg0 last night. he is 100% scum.

Compared to

I also have role-based information that Thok is on an opposing scum faction.

is a complete different thing.

I find it much more likely that Guardian was telling the truth about Erg0, and given that the rule specifically says that scum will be told that their kill failed because of Cross-Kill rules it is likely that was included in the pm to Guardian.

Can the other goblin confirm this?

Plan for the day should be Erg0 claim, weigh up his claim and proceed from there I think.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Thesp: 3 (MrBuddyLee, ooba, Kison)
Erg0: 3 (Claus, cicero, Rogueben)
Kison: 1 (Erg0)
Skruffs:1 (Gorrad)

Not voting: 10 (Skruffs, JordanA24, Iammars, Samruc, mikeburnfire, Flameaxe, UltimaAvalon, Thesp, Twomz, The Fonz)

10 to lynch!

Deadline will be ~10th March

As things stand, no-onewould be lynched at deadline.

[The Fonz]

Also,

Unvote, Vote: Skruffs

. I'm still of the opinion that the goblins should kill Erg0 if Guardian was telling the truth, and Skruffs hasn't done anything to reassure me of a pro-town nature.

I don't think it's exactly a brilliant strategy for town to expect a scumgroup to deal with another scum for us, when there are several powerful town roles claimed, including a cop directed specifically at that scumgroup.

Very down for Thesp vigging Erg0.

[ooba]

Thesp, Twomz, cicero, Claus, VERY quick to get on the kscope wagon. Remember, at least two ninjas knew scope was scum to start D2. Thesp and Twomz try to act all offhand casual about their votes but there is clearly intent there. Not likely that Fonz or Iammars are ninjas, for similar reasons--they defend and ignore scope, when that's not likely what a ninja would do. TSQ and UltimaAvalon are also suspect in the way they hop on kscope.

MBL, Please look back on my post 1151. The Kscope wagon was on Day 1 where Ninja could not have possibly known about Kscope. Day 2 was a very quick guardian lynch.

Erg0 , Claim please.

[Skruffs]

Hmmm.
On my cellphone and fresh from the docttors. Very numb feeling
I would like to formally rebut thesp, but I want to

fos

everyone who is trying to coerce thesp into dayvigging; especially with those that were anti-mbl dayvigging iammars earlier in the game. I think comparisons need to be made.

Thesp- there's no upside to the possibility of deciding to suicide bomb a townie. I don't think you thought that through when you wrote it. I think people who are pressuring you to vig someone to avoid you being lynched are acting scummy.

The scummy thing is semantics. Scummy to me means things that are helpful to scum. I didn't use it in a way to suggest gorrad was scum, I used it to infer that he's playing in a way that helps scum more than town. I guess he's bored with the game, since he's confirmed, and that's led to a sedentary, armchair-coaching style of play. No real personal investment.


I seem to recall guardian saying he was post restricted, but don't remember seeing his posting as having been post restricted. Anyone elsse confirm this?

[cicero]

I want to

fos

everyone who is trying to coerce thesp into dayvigging; especially with those that were anti-mbl dayvigging iammars earlier in the game. I think comparisons need to be made.

Weird.

I can sort of see your point about the comparison, if you had left it at that. Then I would just say - the situation seems distinguishable to me on a number of grounds, not least of which is the obvious difference between testing a made suspect claim after due consideration, on a player that most seem to feel is caught scum, vs., a hotheaded, pre-claim, no consultation apparent dayvigging leading various townies to exclaim in shock "WTF"?

Then you go on to just actually bold-faced FOS everyone with this opinion? An opinion which seems to me to be pretty damn sensible.

What's your exact problem with the course of action, just so I'm clear.

[Skruffs]

They are exploiting a role which would not incriminate them wether he is lying or not, or wether he hit scum or not.

There isn't any foresight in asking him to use it today, especially if it is a one shot deal.

[cicero]

They are exploiting a role which would not incriminate them wether he is lying or not, or wether he hit scum or not.

There isn't any foresight in asking him to use it today, especially if it is a one shot deal.

I understand paragaph 2 but not paragraph 1. Sorry.

[The Fonz]

Vote: Erg0

Guys, erg0 is right. There's no reason for him to claim unless he's facing the significant possibility of lynch. That you believe it's likely Goblins targetted him and failed because he's scum doesn't change that. You want a claim, use your vote.

[Gorrad]

I guess he's bored with the game, since he's confirmed, and that's led to a sedentary, armchair-coaching style of play. No real personal investment.

Completely wrong. Because I'm confirmed, I'm one of the MOST at risk. I'm playing the way I am to take full advantage of my status as such, going after scum before they polish me off.

Fonz, you're right.

Unvote, Vote: Erg0

. I still want a Skruffs death, though.

@Samruc, Rogueben, and Mars- what do you think of Cicero?

@Cicero- what do you think of Samruc, Rogueben, and Mars?

[Twomz]

The whole point for a scum for making a fakeclaim like Thesp's is to stall. If we force him to use it today it negates that advantage for him if he is scum. If he is town, then it at least confirms his role and displays his willingness to follow the town.

Vote: Ergo

I would like a claim good sir... because it would help with the decisions for today.

[Gorrad]

Mod:

Samruc hasn't posted since the fourth. Can we get a prod please?

[cicero]

@Cicero- what do you think of Samruc, Rogueben, and Mars?

Samruc - too lurky. I'm glad you mentioned him. I had just started thinking some people were starting to coast. Stoofer shound consider following his own rules and replacing Samruc. He has 8 whole posts.

Rogueben - So far he's fine. His predecessor, theStatusQuo, I had opinions about which you can use the handy dandy drop down menu to find. They involve the Death of Dripping Goofball.

Iammars - At the moment I don't like how quiet he's gotten now that the heat is momentarily off him. I thought the wagon on him was suspect though and had way too much in the way of legs for a dumb reason: "Yarrrr". But I never liked his "might be a pirate and might not" claim.

I suppose I could go either way on all of them. None of them shout obv scum to me but I have a reason to be suspicious of each of them.

Helpful?

[Gorrad]

I think so, yes. Thanks.

[cicero]

I think so, yes. Thanks.

/waits to be accused of being scumbuddies with Iammars, Rogueben and/or Samruc.

Doo di doo.

[Gorrad]

Keep on doing that. I'm going to wait for their responses before making any accusations. For now, THE LIST is still Erg0, Skruffs, and Thesp, not neccesarily in that order.

[cicero]

Keep on doing that. I'm going to wait for their responses before making any accusations. For now, THE LIST is still Erg0, Skruffs, and Thesp, not neccesarily in that order.

Thesp should target Erg0 and I

FOS

Skruffs for

FOSing

everyone who suggested it.

Since the chances of Samruc responding anytime soon are about 1 in 1,000,000 I think I'll settle in for a long winter's nap on that one. And Rogueben can't speak for Shea. So I guess you'll just have to pair me up with Iammars cuz I did what I could to derail the dumb Guardian and Thesp led Iammars wagon, I guess.

[The Fonz]

Thesp should target Erg0 and I

FOS

Skruffs for

FOSing

everyone who suggested it.

Agreed, actually. There's a major, and obvious, distinction, between 'it is in the town's interests for a claimed dayvig to attempt to confirm himself by killing someone who would otherwise be lynched anyway' and 'it is in the town's interest to daykill, out of the blue, without giving the victim the chance to claim.' It's analogous to suggesting that opposition to quicklynching equals opposition to all lynching.

[Gorrad]

Thesp targetting Erg0 sounds good to me. But first, I want that claim.

[mikeburnfire]

If Thesp is telling the truth about his role, he should vig-kill his biggest suspicion at a random time or something. Trying to direct his role is too easily manipulated by scum.

[Gorrad]

Wow.

Major FoS: MBF

. It's equally, if not more manipulatable by town.

[mikeburnfire]

But since the scum have knowledge of who NOT to lynch, their manipulation would be a bit more effective.

But I have doubts to the legitimacy of the role anyway.

[cicero]

MBF no need to talk in the abstract. We have a particular situation here. Look at it. We have doubts about both of their claims. In order for it to go wrong, Town's best instincts have to be wrong twice. And ignoring it means letting Thesp bounce along from day to day untested while he waits for that PERFECT moment to substitute his judgement for the town's and kill. It's a power we don't need, used by a person we don't trust, against another person we don't trust.

From a risk reward perspective, this is a no brainer.

[cicero]

EDWOP: claims=alignments

[The Fonz]

Mike, are you really suggesting it is scummy to insist that Thesp prove the existence of his claimed ability in the manner which is least likely to do harm to the town?