Open 57 - Quack Mafia (Game Over) before 545

[farside22]

Well I"m still stuck between the two. I wish Tar would say a bit more about what is going on so I can see if I get a read on him and the situation and Tyler needs to say more too come to think of it.

[Oman]

Posting is very pro-town

But a very weak tell either way.

[Crub]

Vote Count:

Phate (1) :

Oman

Oman (1) :

Phate

Not Voting (5) : shaft.ed, TylerJ, Tarhalindur, kuribo, farside22

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

TylerJ has been prodded.

[TylerJ]

I'm back weekend was busy.

[TylerJ]

I will look into phate more tommorow as him and shaft.ed have been going at it. And as I said earlier, I will also look at kuribo.

Side note: I am not in favor for a mass claim. Well, I take it back, I could care less, but I don't see the point in it. Two people don't know who they are, and we already have the claimed quacks. In the end, we will have the same results.

[shaft.ed]

Oman please reply to my questions towards your actions today or I will vote you. You have not addressed them in any significant way.
Specifically these points:

I've told Phate and now I'll tell you a single townie vote without quicklynch when it takes three scum to perform one means nothing. Do you really think it'd be that easy for three people to pull off?
...

Considering everyone is posting, and either of us could get to -2 with no hassle, a quicklynch would not be hard.

Everyone is not posting now and no where near the level of posting was going on at the time of the original votes. Where's kuribo and Tyler? Tar did a hit and run and hasn't answered questions to the claim order. I don't see Phate around now either. And your still hanging around to pull your vote out from under any potential scum. This is a silly gambit. And one the scum could absolutely use against a townie. "Hey look I voted you and the rest of my teammates didn't quicklynch. You must be scum!"

Which means we have a missing quack. Farside protecting phate would not have killed him, because he's teh mafmaf.

You're making rather drawn out conclusions from such a simple scenario by which farside is a doctor so phate didn't die, or farside is scum making up the whole thing. This feels like an Oman farside push to take down Phate. Not liking it very much.

[Oman]

You're making rather drawn out conclusions from such a simple scenario by which farside is a doctor so phate didn't die, or farside is scum making up the whole thing.

Not really, its the logical conclusion if you take phate to be scum (as I do). Firstly, phate, myself, and someone else said they were quacks. If we take phate out, we miss a quack. However farside had an unknown role (in the doc/quack field) farside is therefore the missing quack. IF farside is the missing quack then phate would not have died. Phate did not die, therefore theory A supports and is supported by theory B.


The first one is merely an opinion, I think scum would've gone for the quicklynch.

[kuribo]

Oman please reply to my questions towards your actions today or I will vote you.

Are you looking for an excuse to push this bandwagon a bit?

[shaft.ed]

Oman you continue to push for Phate's lynch without making any case.

[farside22]

Oman please reply to my questions towards your actions today or I will vote you.

Are you looking for an excuse to push this bandwagon a bit?

@ shaft.ed. I think Kurbio is making a comment to you that you ignored. It does seem like you are pushing harder on one person then the other. Why is Phate not scum?

[shaft.ed]

Becaues I don't see Phate using ridiculously tortored logic to declare he has 100% found scum.

[Oman]

Oman you continue to push for Phate's lynch without making any case.

As you do to me.

[shaft.ed]

My case is clear:

You claim to have 100% outed scum because you voted Phate and he wasn't quick lynched. Yet if you are scum there is no way he could be quicklynched. If you are town it would be quite risky for scum to attempt a three man quicklynch. You defend this argument by saying it is a matter of opinion.

You continue to push for a Phate lynch without any case against him and him miraculously becoming scummy in your eyes although you never stated anything against him (or about him at all for that matter) prior to your vote.

You claim that farside targeting Phate and Phate not dying must mean that Phate is scum and farside is the Quack that accounts for Phate not being one. Yet you don't consider that farside could be a Doc or a lying scum that fabricated the target. This is especially pertinent as farside claimed her predecessor targeted nobody N1 although they did post D2.

Yesterday you pushed for MoS' lynch based solely on his poor claiming strategies. I find less fault in this because I agreed he may be scum and his "strategies" were quite terrible.

[Oman]

I agreed that it wasn't 100%, but it IS a matter of opinion.

The MoS lynch should not be an anti-town tick in

my

box. He was suggesting things that lost the game for the town N2!

Wasn't it phate who suggested Quacks use their powers as cops?

[kuribo]

Again, I pose the question to the rest of the town. (Farside already answered, and I think you for that.)

Why *can't* both Phate and Oman be the scum?

[shaft.ed]

Again, I pose the question to the rest of the town. (Farside already answered, and I think you for that.)

Why *can't* both Phate and Oman be the scum?

Kuribo this has been answered multiple times. Please confirm after reading this that you understand. Oman, Phate and Tar all killed someone N1. Mafia only get one NK. Thus 2 or 3 of the above must be quacks, 1 or 0 are mafia.

[shaft.ed]

Wasn't it phate who suggested Quacks use their powers as cops?

So this is your case against him? Nothing more? That was played out in it's entirety yesterday. You didn't say a word. I've seen enough.

vote: Oman

[kuribo]

Kuribo this has been answered multiple times. Please confirm after reading this that you understand. Oman, Phate and Tar all killed someone N1. Mafia only get one NK. Thus 2 or 3 of the above must be quacks, 1 or 0 are mafia.

Hm... I think I see.

I can't think of a reason either of them would lie about killing someone if they didn't.

[kuribo]

EBWOP: Unless that person were scum, that is.

[shaft.ed]

Kuribo, we circle targeted N1. This means we all know who targeted who unless they lied about that. But if scum tried targeting someone else it would have either a) run into Doc protection or b) overlapped with a quack kill unless they targeted someone directly above them like a quack would have.

[TylerJ]

Unpredictable homework showed up with little time to do it, so I was gone. Oman, your logic is what they would call circular logic. One supports the other, which in turn supports the one that supports it. Its like A is needed to get to B, but B is needed to get to A. If we don't have one, we don't have the other. And unfortunately, your hole logic is based off a weak assumption.

Forgive my flakiness- I promised to do some research but even today (the busiest day of the week) I don't have the time.

[Tarhalindur]

/prodded

The reason why only one of the quacks can be scum is that the mafia have only one kill, so two of the claimed Quacks have to be telling the truth (since otherwise there wouldn't have been 3 kills N1). This also all-but-clears me.

I'm pretty sure at the moment that Phate and shaft.ed are two of the scum (I will check Oman's play in Newb 517 before I vote, however). I have a town read on Kuribo atm, TylerJ looks suspicious, farside moderately suspicious.

More later, see V/LA for details.

[Oman]

Wasn't it phate who suggested Quacks use their powers as cops?

So this is your case against him? Nothing more? That was played out in it's entirety yesterday. You didn't say a word. I've seen enough.

vote: Oman

No, thats not it, it was merely a point.

I want to ask you, what is scummier, Suggesting that quacks try to use their power as cops when two NKs (mafia+1) will end the game, or attacking somone who suggests quacks circle protect when two NKs will end the game?

[shaft.ed]

Wasn't it phate who suggested Quacks use their powers as cops?

So this is your case against him? Nothing more? That was played out in it's entirety yesterday. You didn't say a word. I've seen enough.

vote: Oman

No, thats not it, it was merely a point.

I want to ask you, what is scummier, Suggesting that quacks try to use their power as cops when two NKs (mafia+1) will end the game, or attacking somone who suggests quacks circle protect when two NKs will end the game?

The second suggestion is clearly more anti-town. As we've discovered from MoS's alignment it wasn't a very good scum-tell. I want to ask you yet again, where is you're case against Phate. If that is merely a point why is it the only thing you can bring up.

Also Oman, you have two votes on you, yet you haven't be quicklynched. Are you then more scummy than Phate since he wasn't quicklynched with one vote?

[Oman]

The second suggestion is clearly more anti-town.

lulz?

Also Oman, you have two votes on you, yet you haven't be quicklynched. Are you then more scummy than Phate since he wasn't quicklynched with one vote?

You're not going to cause a double standard are you?