PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[The Fonz]

Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.

That... is a stretch.

[cicero]

Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.

I think that's good thinking outside the box actually. But this game apparently has Pirates, Ninjas and Goblins. And 26 players. Do you think there's room for a vampire cult as well? I don't really. I don't see room for a cult in here.

(at first I was going to type! Ha! Good thinking but not for the reason you say! There's no evidence of vampires anywhere in this game!! He's definitely lying!!! Then I realised their probably WOULD be no such evidence, cuz, um... it's a cult)

[UltimaAvalon]

Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.

Uh....k? Three scum groups, and a cult...makes perfect sense...

I don't think Thesp's dayvig, seeing as its day ending, should be town directed. Its essentially the same thing as a lynch, except if we mislynch, we only lose one town (as opposed to Thesp's mis-vig making 2 dead townies)
If Thesp really has Dayvigging powers, he should kill whoever the hell he wants to, whether its Erg0, or Skruffs, or Mars, or UA, or whoever.

Does this mean Erg0 should live? Not at all.

Vote: Erg0

[cicero]

Unvote

to detract from what Ultima just did there.

[cicero]

I dont want Erg0 hammered until Thesp comes and vigs him and I disagree intensely with Ultima.

[The Fonz]

I disagree firmly. If we are to test Thesp's vigging abilities, we want to use them on someone who is most likely scum, since that minimises the risk if he's telling the truth, hence the idea to use it on the no1 lynch candidate. What you're proposing is either:

a) Thesp gets to make it to night without vigging at all
OR

b) Thesp vigs someone who is not the town's consensus choice for most likely scum.

Neither of those seem to me to be a particularly pro-town outcome.

[UltimaAvalon]

Whats the big deal about testing? As far as I'm concerned, the only one's who should care if he really has dayvig powers, (and I only feel this way because of the multiple scumgroup scenario) are the scum. Whether he's lying or not, and regardless of his alignment, he now has at least two scum groups now considering him for the nightkill, simply because of the threat of the dayvig.

I'll also always oppose any sort of town-led consensus that isn't the lynch. I'm of the opinion that a single person will always make a better decision than any group of people, especially when that group of people consists of people who are opposing you.

[Iammars]

How do we know that there's three groups? How do we know that it's not 2 groups and a SK? Note that we also haven't had a dead ninja scum yet. (Although ninjas are probably scum)

I am also not saying this just based of Erg0's claim.

[The Fonz]

Except that it is unlikely that he has already been targetted by scum, and scum have Xkill immunities.

Also: You'd prefer one person's vig decision to end the day immediately rather than pursuing a pseudolynch through the normal channels until there's a consensus?

Having Thesp vig at -1, therefore pseudohammering, doesn't have any obvious downside to me. If he's telling the truth, we'll never have a better opportunity to have him prove it whilst minimising the risks of his dying in the attempt. If he's lying, we're clearly better off knowing this.

[Twomz]

I agree with the Thesp vig Ergo theorem. But... if Thesp CAN'T Dayvig... what is our course of action? Lynch Ergo today and thesp tomorrow? Or lynch thesp today and ergo tomorrow? Or let the goblins finish ergo off?

[The Fonz]

Lynch one, have MBL vig the other.

[Skruffs]

twomz- I hate to be a pain in your patooka, but the goblins will probably go after you over erg0 tonight, if you aren't a goblin yourself.

Cicero's 1351:
Well it depends on how big the scum group sizes are. There are definitely at lest one goblin and at least one pirate and at least two ninjas left.
(I know this because I read the flavor at the beginning of the game.)

I personally think four scum groups, including one that can grow each night, is excessive, even if they were minimally sized. The interesting aspect of that, would be that the cult would have one-shot immunity as well; so previously town players like gorrad could be 'converted' into scum, and have NK immunity. Also, the cult would presumably be able to 'fail' at attempts to recruit scum, without being killed itself, because of the immunity rule. While I think that the possibilities of it are intriguing, I really don't think Stoofer would do that. Gorrad being in a cult does kind of make the way he's playing make more sense, though.
But if there's vampires, then there's probably zombies, too, and a werewolf, and maybe even a mummy.

Way too complicated.


I don't believe Erg0's claim, it just doesn't jibe. Bye bye, Erg0.

[UltimaAvalon]

@Mars. I said at least 2 groups. Also, Ninja SK is still scum.

@Fonz: regardless of how many hits he's had, if he's scum, he's going to die sooner or later. Also, the whole idea behind "testing" still relies on the whole idea of Town Consensus, and I'm much too firmly rooted to the idea that all of us is as dumb as none of us. We'll find out whether or not he's lying after he vigs or after he dies, which either is now likely to happen.

[Twomz]

Yes Skruffs, I'm a Goblin. I not only hardcore bussed my scumbuddy (who had a strong roleclaim and was revealing information that would have lead to the lynching of a possible rival scum), but I revealed our 3rd scum group to the town, because I didn't think it was fair that all the townies didn't know about it.[/sarcasm]

Although this game is large, with 3 scum groups, I don't think it's big enough for a cult.

Lynch one, have MBL vig the other.

Only if Thesp refuses to vig Ergo.

[Gorrad]

Recent notes:

1. Erg0- scum, scum, die die die

2. Mars- REALLY bad vibes from his last few posts. A vampire cult? Really? I frankly can't believe he's suggesting this. If we find a cultist, THEN we worry.

3. UA- Wow. Scum much? I can see no downsides to Thesp killing that outweigh the considerable benefits.

4. Cicero- Pretty sure he's town.

5. CES- I didn't like your response Re: Cicero. Was that a joke, saying that you have no read, or what?

6. Skruffs- Notice how he specifically targets the confirmed guy as a possible cult member? Skruffs, I don't know what your beef is with me, but snap out of it.


Thesp, I believe it's your show.

[MrBuddyLee]

unvote, vote: Thesp

attn: Kaleidoscope's scumpartner... can you please kill me tonight? Thanks.

(is directing the scum scummy?)

[Rogueben]

6. Skruffs- Notice how he specifically targets the confirmed guy as a possible cult member? Skruffs, I don't know what your beef is with me, but snap out of it.

If there's a cult, then you being recruited could explain some of your play. In this place you are not confirmed at all (not saying there is a cult though).

I agree that cult speculation seems to be stretching a fair bit though.

Also:

Thesp: vig or die

[Gorrad]

If there's a cult, then you being recruited could explain some of your play.

Mind giving examples? Or are you just repeating what you heard scum say?

[Rogueben]

Sorry my point was that you weren't cleared if there was a cult, not that I had found anything to be suspicious of you in particular.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Erg0: 7 (Claus, cicero, Rogueben, The Fonz, Gorrad, Twomz, MrBuddyLee)
Thesp: 2 (ooba, Cogito Ergo Sum)
Kison: 1 (Erg0)

Not voting: 8 (Skruffs, JordanA24, Iammars, mikeburnfire, Flameaxe, UltimaAvalon, Thesp, Kison)

10 to lynch!

Deadline will be ~10th March

As things stand, Erg0 would be lynched at deadline.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Gorrad, yes.

UA, you are neglecting the fact that we really want to test Thesp's ability.

Unvote, vote: Thesp

*pressure*

[Skruffs]

2. Mars- REALLY bad vibes from his last few posts. A vampire cult? Really? I frankly can't believe he's suggesting this. If we find a cultist, THEN we worry.

If erg0 shows up as buffy, will you still hold this opinion?

. UA- Wow. Scum much? I can see no downsides to Thesp killing that outweigh the considerable benefits.

Unless it's a one-shot, or used on a townie. Right?

4. Cicero- Pretty sure he's town.

Why does this help the town when there are three scum kills per night as well as the badly directed vig?

6. Skruffs- Notice how he specifically targets the confirmed guy as a possible cult member? Skruffs, I don't know what your beef is with me, but snap out of it.

Umm... relax? did you not notice that i discredited the idea that there is a cult in the same post? Why so defensive about the idea?

[Skruffs]

Yes Skruffs, I'm a Goblin. I not only hardcore bussed my scumbuddy (who had a strong roleclaim and was revealing information that would have lead to the lynching of a possible rival scum), but I revealed our 3rd scum group to the town, because I didn't think it was fair that all the townies didn't know about it.[/sarcasm]

I'm not acussing you of being a goblin, twomz. I believe you are a cop, it fits the so far established pattern of the game. My post was merely inferring that unless you are a goblin, you are probably their target tonight.

[Thesp]

I'd like to make this day more productive than using me to kill here, but I suspect that may be anywhere from unlikely to impossible at this juncture. I want a few more people to weigh in significantly first. I find it odd that I think Skruffs is making more sense than anyone else right now, though I don't know if it's from self-preservation or not. (Not that self-preservation is inherently bad for a player to have!)

But there's no way that Buffy would be vanilla.

This is a silly assumption to make.

I like UltimaAvalon's line of thinking (which Skruffs and mikeburnfire touch upon earlier), especially here:

Whats the big deal about testing? As far as I'm concerned, the only one's who should care if he really has dayvig powers, (and I only feel this way because of the multiple scumgroup scenario) are the scum. Whether he's lying or not, and regardless of his alignment, he now has at least two scum groups now considering him for the nightkill, simply because of the threat of the dayvig.

I'll also always oppose any sort of town-led consensus that isn't the lynch. I'm of the opinion that a single person will always make a better decision than any group of people, especially when that group of people consists of people who are opposing you.

To some real extent, if I listen to "the will of the people" and let that determine my actions, it could be anywhere from 0%-50+% scum-influenced. If I make the choice myself, I know my actions are 100% non-scum influenced (except to the extent conversation in the thread goes, etc.).

cicero, do you really doubt my ability? Note that when the MBL fake-kill came up, I said I was 1000% sure MBL didn't have a daykill -

because his role was "Vig" and mine was "Day Vig"

. I knew there was an explicit difference between our roles. (On that note, I'm not sure what MBL means when he says my reaction was "understated, then overstated". Can you explain what you see there? (Also, it's an absurd ability to claim if I can't back it up, especially as it doesn't verify my alignment unless I kill a townie, in which case I really, really would get killed for it.)

I also think this warrants more explanation:

Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.

...

How do we know that there's three groups? How do we know that it's not 2 groups and a SK? Note that we also haven't had a dead ninja scum yet. (Although ninjas are probably scum)

I am also not saying this just based of Erg0's claim.

I think the cat's out of the bag on this one, and any scum who may know more here have already been clued into anything they need to know from your less-than-subtle posts. This warrants explanation

now

, especially since you are asserting a semi-rolebased defense of the popular lynch for the day. (For the record, I don't believe Erg0's claim one bit, but since someone

who has expressed cluelessness about his own role

is suggesting some evidence that Erg0 may be town, it should be heard.)

I'm really, really, really not liking RogueBen's "follow the crowd and don't do anything significant" style of play. Coupled with TSQ's unusual jump off of Kaleidoscope on D1, I think he's a significant candidate for scumhood.

Thesp, Erg0, what do you guys make of Claus's (and cicero's) behavior re: you?

I've disagreed with many of the conclusions he came to (especially how he came to them. I've appreciated his activity, and I think he's genuinely wrong on things, as his frustration about too many players on D1 seems genuine. (I know I misread Guardian on frustration, but I feel this way about Claus nonetheless.) I'm intrigued to hear why he thinks I don't have the ability to daykill.

[Skruffs]

scumhood... that just dounds dirty.