Mini 551- Mod Abandoned

[lovo14]

ok so far what i see is that if we keep sf alive to test his claim we are worried he will get roleblocked.
the roleblocker could just not do something silly and not block sf. we test his power. if it checks out we lynch.
what are the chances of scum roleblocker in a game this size?? unsure

[Khelvaster]

Is there anyone I should prod?

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

There probably is/are.

@ Lovo: The possible existence of a mafia roleblocker isn't the only argument for lynching him later rather than today. In fact, I still think he's scum, so it doesn't really matter all that much. Unless he's the mafia roleblocker himself.

[Korts]

Just restating my reasons for the vote on Joubert:

OR... Simply ignore SensFan for now, find other trails and the real Cop (if there's one) can investigate him during the Night. That's another possibility...

Mah, this is too easy. IF there's "another" Cop (we should call him the "real" Cop), him investigating the claimed Cop could reveal useful. And in the same post, Shaka says SensFan could be the Cop, so let's not lynch him at all. Lacks subtlety...

And this is an obviously flawed plan, as has been already pointed out. And, several posts later, he's coming up with this:

But if he's actually Scum, then the Cop coming forward is exactly what he'd want. We don't need the Cop to get out in the light for him. The Cop must hide as long as possible to get as much info as possible before he's targeted, that's obvious. You agree with much of what I said anyways, that's why I find it strange that you voted me in the same post...

And this is a direct contradiction to what he said in the first two quotes. My suspicion is based on the fact that he didn't say alright, I was wrong, but rather tried to make it look like there was no contradiction.

Korts, there's a difference between investigating and claiming. You're right when you say I did suggest that the real Cop investigate SF, but I don't think I used the word "should". I said he could do it, and not counter-claim, and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with that, including you...

If he's saying here that he was only saying that the "real" cop investigating SF is a possibility, it makes me feel like he was trying to plant the idea of investigating SF.

Nice work, Cavebear, now you are definitely getting in the way of the Town. I'd swear it was staged...

I don't think this post needs explaining.

On another note, I'd like to bring up the previous case of lovo, which disappeared a bit prematurely, imo. The basic facts are that he echoed previously stated opinions, didn't contribute much as far as I saw, and is lurking quite a bit.

[Shanba]

(Elias - one of the reasons I thought he was a bad mod was because there was a crush nightless that was run that Jdodge complains about on scumchat and a crush nightless which Khelvaster modded. I've discovered that they aren't actually the same game, so you can strike that from the record.)

Korts - why did you feel the need to restate that now?

Joubert - why did you go after Cavebear and not the others pushing your lynch?

[Korts]

@Shanba, I just felt the discussion was slowing down.

[Joubert]

Korts, you're right when you say I changed my mind. I realized later that investigating would be useless, with someone's post (Elias I think). Now I'm focusing more on the Cop's hiding and I stick with SensFan's unconvincing PR...

Joubert - why did you go after Cavebear and not the others pushing your lynch?

Probably because the last post was from Cavebear, so I replied to him by default. I did reply to others, though, but it was very generic, like asking why I am voted so quickly without even a FoS...

[lovo14]

There probably is/are.

@ Lovo: The possible existence of a mafia roleblocker isn't the only argument for lynching him later rather than today. In fact, I still think he's scum, so it doesn't really matter all that much. Unless he's the mafia roleblocker himself.

exactly tell me why u think he is scum

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

exactly tell me why u think he is scum

If this means you want me to explain why I'm voting SF, I suggest you read the thread. I've done so several times.

[Imat]

Is SF even here anymore? I notice he was replaced in another game, so this worries me. If somebody replaces, they may not know about the PR, which will clearly show whether it was faked...

[Elias_the_thief]

Which really makes me wonder why you felt the need to mention it when a mention closer to the end of the thread would more likely tip him off.

[Imat]

I don't want a Town vic because of a replacement, thats like cheating. I don't cheat, at least not in games with more than myself and bots...Also, what kind of a replacement wouldn't read over the posts anyways?

[Elias_the_thief]

ive seen it before, but its not cheating to not inform a replacement of a faked pr, its like not telling them a fakeclaim. Its perfectly fair.

[Imat]

I can see where you're coming from, their fault for not knowing. I don't really like the idea, feels like cheating, but if it happens, so much the better.

[Khelvaster]

Prod sent to Sensfan

[Elias_the_thief]

Oh goody.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Ugh. This is going nowhere, fast. I still believe that a claimed cop day one should be kept alive for information purposes, but since these sorry excuses for wagons don't seem to be going anywhere, I'm prepared to throw in the towel on this particular issue to get the game moving again. It's not like the guys currently voting SensFan hasn't had enough opportunities to toss their votes around, amirite?

Unvote
Vote: SensFan

Now to see who's willing to hammer. Might prove interesting. And to see if SensFan has some parting comments. If his PR is indeed fake, now would be a good time to share, I think.

[Imat]

He can't, even if he weren't MIA. If he loses the PR now, hes dead. If his replacement (Probably) loses the PR, hes dead. Not much this guy can do to survive. Though lets see who Hammers, this should be good.

[Korts]

Now to see who's willing to hammer. Might prove interesting.

Yeah, like it's out of the question that scum are already voting for him, having seen the easy kill. I'm not voting him.

[Joubert]

Imat, you point makes sense, but do you think it's preferable to let the game drag instead? You can't let a character idle around just because he has a PR. Replacements work like this...

[Xylthixlm]

Now to see who's willing to hammer. Might prove interesting.

Yeah, like it's out of the question that scum are already voting for him, having seen the easy kill. I'm not voting him.

You say that as if you're certain SensFan is town.

[Korts]

No, I'm saying that either way, scum could already be on the wagon.

[SensFan]

Vote: S
Vote: O
Vote: R
Vote: R
Vote: Y

Vote: F
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Vote: A

Ugh. This is going nowhere, fast. I still believe that a claimed cop day one should be kept alive for information purposes, but since these sorry excuses for wagons don't seem to be going anywhere, I'm prepared to throw in the towel on this particular issue to get the game moving again. It's not like the guys currently voting SensFan hasn't had enough opportunities to toss their votes around, amirite?

Unvote
Vote: SensFan

Now to see who's willing to hammer. Might prove interesting. And to see if SensFan has some parting comments. If his PR is indeed fake, now would be a good time to share, I think.

Vote: E
Vote: A
Vote: S
Vote: E

Vote: T
Vote: A
Vote: R
Vote: G
Vote: E
Vote: T

[jerubbaal]

Cavebear, do you actually have a reason to jump over to SF other than to get things moving again? Do you think he's scum?

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Quick reply:

Do I think he's scum? Not sure. As I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole PR is a bluff, and it also wouldn't surprise me if, if he's faking it, he's actually town. Metagamingly, he's got a history of doing "unorthodox" stuff. In any case, a fairly unprovoked day one cop claim sort of stinks, as does the whole situation (PR in a normal mini?), but I'm perfectly willing to let him live for a while to see what kind of info he gives. However, that in turn hinges on finding someone better to lynch, which is something I perceive that a large (or at least loud) part of the town is against or at least can't be bothered to do themselves, so a large part of my voting SF is indeed to get things moving and, if he does turns out to be cop, be very angry or at least mildly upset at said loud and lazy part of town.

All that being said, I'd be happy to get on something like a lovo14 wagon if four or five other energetic people care to join me. I think I provided some reasons against him earlier, and I know other people have, but I need to sleep and I'm sure you can all read.