Mini #534 - Vegetable Mafia (Game Over!)

[Patrick]

Votecount

No votes! 3 to lynch.

[Bookitty]

Gorckat: Crub already pointed this out, but I'm NOT nightkill immune, read here. I NEVER claimed that I was.

Additionally, yesterday you were insistent that I was scum and couldn't be an SK because of the nightkills; now you have reversed all these arguments but kept your suspicions exactly the same. You don't get to twist your reasoning in such a tortured manner in order to lynch someone. The only reasons you've given for your suspicion are my PR and my roleclaim. If you have others, you should say what they are. If you don’t, it’s assumed you have none.

Even if your accusation was true, which it's NOT, and therefore we did have only one scum left, why aren't you saying who you think is the remaining scum? Are you even hunting scum at all? In your “unlucky SK” scenario, is Crub or Phate the remaining scum, Gorckat?

[soupfly]

should have done this a while back.

vote: gorckat

though i don't want to take matters into my hands entirely, just in case i'm wrong and since we're at lylo, so:

unvote: gorckat

but i think i've made my point as to who i think needs to be lynched.

[gorckat]

Gorckat: Crub already pointed this out, but I'm NOT nightkill immune, read here. I NEVER claimed that I was.

Which I acknowldged in my last post.

The only reasons you've given for your suspicion are my PR and my roleclaim.

What claim? All you've claimed is the ability to stall conversation at will and drag things out!

Are you even hunting scum at all? In your “unlucky SK” scenario, is Crub or Phate the remaining scum, Gorckat?

Here's the main reason I think you're full of crap: I'm a Miller. Green Peppers become Red Peppers. I'm a bitter, old pepper.

I agree the apparent (can you confirm, tdp?) lack of color specification on Pea (and, to a lesser extent Lettuce- there's red lettuce, irrc) is different, but its what I am- a Green Pepper. I'm sure there's a reason the color is specified.

I doubt there's more than one role that fusses with investigations like that.

These were my attempts to breadcrumb it. The second I had meant to say "one role

left

", but felt I couldn't correct it without having to out myself then.

There was also a poll in MD that started after this game and I had replaced in. It asked if a Miller should be told what they are. I have not voted so I could used screen caps to vote that they should, since I was, if that'd help convince anyone.

I hope it is also clear why I was more suspect of Kitty in all my combinations yesterday. My -1 on tdp was to hopefully get reactions out of Kitty, and because I did really think she was scum.

I can in no way imagine 3 roles that neuter the cop in a 12-person game.

I had hoped my SK speculation would provoke you to claim something easily disprovable, but it seems that you want us to believe you're a townie that doesn't investigate like one.

vote: BooKitty

[gorckat]

EBWOP: you're a

vanilla

townie that doesn't investigate like one.

[Phate]

This would be a good time for the mason to claim.

[gorckat]

Where have you been? soupis the other mason.

FoS: Phate

I could have been wrong about you, after all.

[gorckat]

Is everyone else on workweek only access?

[Crub]

I'm around, I've just got not much more to say. I'd like to hear some more from Phate, before I make up my mind, but it's pretty safe to say that you're going to be hanging when today is over.

[gorckat]

And why is that? Because Kitty has claimed Night-Immune Conversation Stopper? Are you finding that more likely than a straight Miller?

[Phate]

I was pretty sure yesterday that gorckat was town, but after a reread I ask myself why and all I can come up with is that he was the first to realise I was newbie town rather than slipping scum. But now I think of that, scum would obviously know that, and so much the better if they led the town in realising that, especially if the lynch didn't look like it would go through.

I'm torn between gorckat and Crub, but the way Crub is going after me feels natural, while the way gorckat is going after BooKitty seems forced.

I've got my eye on BooKitty, but I think she's town, especially now that she hasn't been quicklynched.

Vote: gorckat

Soupfly, I'd like you to summarise why you think gorckat is scum.

[gorckat]

I was pretty sure yesterday that gorckat was town, but after a reread I ask myself why and all I can come up with is that he was the first to realise I was newbie town rather than slipping scum. But now I think of that, scum would obviously know that, and so much the better if they led the town in realising that, especially if the lynch didn't look like it would go through.

Phate, this reads like you're suggesting the first person to think you were town is scum. That makes no sense.

And how about that mason thing...what was up with asking for a claim when it was done days ago?

[Patrick]

Votecount

Bookitty (1) -- gorckat
gorckat (1) -- Phate

Not voting: Bookitty, Crub, soupfly
5 alive, 3 to lynch.

[Phate]

Read it again. I'm suggesting that the first person to think I was town isn't necessarily town themselves, not that they're automatically scum.

I missed his claim. That's worthy of suspicion?

[gorckat]

Read it again. I'm suggesting that the first person to think I was town isn't necessarily town themselves, not that they're automatically scum.

So, I could be a survivor with knowledge of who is who? How is the first person to think you were town not town but not scum?

I missed his claim. That's worthy of suspicion?

Sure is, especially when this sequence happened a ways back:

i am the other mason. i am y's mason partner.

I'll buy that.

soupfly - I would have bought your claim without the crumb.

I believe soupfly's claim. Although a risky move to make,

I believe it, and I think it was the right play.

And then:

So soupfly's out

[Phate]

Quit putting words in my mouth. I'm not suggesting anything about your alignment except that it's uncertain. In short: I was fairly sure you were town because of an action you took, and I now realise that that action isn't an action that exclusively town would make, as I assumed.

As for soupfly, you have yet to explain to me why forgetting soupfly's claim is worthy of suspicion. Why would scum be more likely to forget a claim?

[gorckat]

Read it again. I'm suggesting that the first person to think I was town isn't necessarily town themselves, not that they're automatically scum.

I see what you were saying here. I had read your statement as an absolute "he's not town, but might not be scum". Obviously, that wasn't making sense.

On soupfly- "missing" a claim implies you never saw it happen. You clearly saw it happen and twice acknowledged it at the time of its occurence.

Rather than come right out and say, "Oh, yeah- forgot about that", you ignored it one post, said you missed it the next, and have backpedaled to forgot about it.

Its the difference between inattentive and forgetful; the former is scummy, the latter a null-tell.

[Phate]

Obviously I am forgetful; not only did I forget soup's claim, but I forgot that I acknowledged it.

And you have yet to explain the FoS in 781 or why inattentiveness is a scumtell. If, as you say, forgetfulness is a nulltell, why did you FoS me there? You're being very inconsistent.

[Bookitty]

Gorckat scumlinked me with two townies yesterday. Today, his only case against me is my PR and my investigation-immune status. He refuses to answer my question (still valid even now he's claiming his whole SK-accusation was a gambit) about the other scum. Keeping his options open. Claiming miller is odd at this point.

Soupfly is confirmed town. So that leaves Phate, Crub and Gorckat. If Gorckat were town, with his vote on me, then a Phate-Crub scumteam has had ample time by now to jump on that and quicklynch me. Thus Phate and Crub can't be a team; Gorckat must be scum. Soupfly said earlier he would vote Gorckat, so did Crub. Phate and Gorckat have a showy argument about inattention and then Phate votes Gorckat (which seems the smart thing to do, given that the rest have indicated our intentions to vote Gorckat).

Will vote Gorckat next page.

[gorckat]

If, as you say, forgetfulness is a nulltell, why did you FoS me there? You're being very inconsistent.

How would I know you were just forgetting when I pointed out soup's claim? If you had come out and said that, I'd have thought nothing else of it. Instead you ignored it, said you missed it, said you forgot it.

Its your backpedaling on it I don't like.

@Kitty: Its either Crub or Phate, obv.

For either one, they need you to out the vote out before they can hammer safely. By announcing at what point you will do it, they can be ready to do the deed.

I don't like Phate's recent ignorance of a confirmed mason hanging around, but I haven't pinned either one to you, yet, because I just want you gone after I blew it yesterday and went after tdp.

[Crub]

Nothing left to say.

vote: gorckat

[gorckat]

Soupfly is confirmed town. So that leaves Phate, Crub and Gorckat. If Gorckat were town, with his vote on me, then a Phate-Crub scumteam has had ample time by now to jump on that and quicklynch me. Thus Phate and Crub can't be a team; Gorckat must be scum.

I didn't think I had to break this down, but with Crub following I do: replace gorc for Kitty and it pans out the same.

[Phate]

Unvote

Not sure I want a lynch yet. I'll have to think about this.

[gorckat]

MOD: Is it too soon to ask you prod soupfly?

[/One post closer to Kitty being "allowed" to post again]

[Patrick]

MOD: Is it too soon to ask you prod soupfly?

soupfly prodded.