Mini 549 (Tarhalindur Mostly Mountainous) - Game Over

[Fat_Tony]

Hmm. It will be interesting to see if TNE picks up his prod, and if not, how his replacement plays things. I remain convinced that he is scum but cannot allow RC any respite.

[thenextepisode]

/prodded.

[Battousai]

Since we know two good canidates for lynching tonight, Rosso and Johoohno, why don't we try and pick up some activity by having them two defend themselves a bit after the 7 people who voted for them list their main reasons for their vote? Then we can go from there.

[Fat_Tony]

Because Rosso Carne seems to be absolutely unwilling to defend himself in any way and I don't think Johoohno should be our main target here - I feel he could well be scum but with RC and TNE around (TNE also having not responded to anybody's questions about him despite having picked up the prod has been noted) I don't think Johoohno is our D1 guy.

However, I do agree that these THREE people should be prodded into action.

The main reason I am voting for RC is that I think he was trying to make out that he was in league with BB, knowing BB to be town. If BB (now me) got lynched and found to be town, it would make him come off town, if he was lynched and came up scum, prime scumbuddy suspect = BB and bang goes a townie on a mislynch. That's my read of the situation, anyway.

[Ectomancer]

TNE shook me off my vote on RC. I still mistrust the whole thing.

TNE, you had experience on other forums? And a statement like yours would have been perfectly ok over there? Or do you think they would have an adverse reaction as well?

[thenextepisode]

they probably would have had an adverse reaction too, or not have known how to deal with it. it was a bad play all in all and im lucky i havent been lynched.
my finger is still pointed at RC and fat tony because he used to be blackberry.

[Tarhalindur]

Earwig has 72 hours to reply to his prod or be replaced.

Thirty-Fifth Vote Count

Rosso Carne (4) - thenextepisode, nyktorion, SlySly, Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry)
Tamuz (1) - Johoohno
Battousai (rep. ryan) (1) - Jester
thenextepisode (1) - Rosso Carne
Johoohno (3) - RangeroftheNorth (rep. Dean Harper), Tamuz, Battousai

Not Voting (2) - Ectomancer, Earwig

7 votes to lynch.

FoS Count:

Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry) (2) - thenextepisode, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (2) - Ectomancer, RangeroftheNorth
ryan (1) - Jester
RangeroftheNorth (1) - Johoohno
thenextepisode (1) - Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry)
Johoohno (1) - Nyktorion

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Final Day 1 Deadline:

~12:00 AM, March 5, 2008 (GMT -6);

THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 10 DAYS FROM TODAY

[Ectomancer]

they probably would have had an adverse reaction too, or not have known how to deal with it. it was a bad play all in all and im lucky i havent been lynched.
my finger is still pointed at RC and fat tony because he used to be blackberry.

Well, that sounded honest at least, whether because you figure you've got nothing to lose anyhow or not is worth a different look down the road.

vote Rosso Carne

(again)

[Fat_Tony]

Tar - you have me down as voting AND not voting. Just so you know

I'm still not convinced of TNE but I'm happy with my vote where it is (on RC, Tar )

Yes, yes I do fail at vote counts. Why do you ask? Fixed. -Tar

[Tamuz]

As 'honest' as you think it could sound ecto... it still sounds scummier than high hell.

Its a blatant statement that TNE is fingerpointing and not using logic for his cases.

[Ectomancer]

As 'honest' as you think it could sound ecto... it still sounds scummier than high hell.

Its a blatant statement that TNE is fingerpointing and not using logic for his cases.

But not scummy enough to back with a vote? Or is Johoohno that much more scummy?

[Johoohno]

All of you who didn't like my post 169 shouldn't be too enthusiastic about Battousai's 377 either.

To me this one really feels like a search for ending the day by narrowing down the lynch field.

@ RangeroftheNorth: I know you've asked me for my present suspects and I will give them to you, but I haven't had the time to take notes the last pages and will do a reread this weak and get up to date again.

For the time being:

Un-FoS: RangeroftheNorth

Unvote: Tamuz

Thes un-doings are not to be considered that I am not suspicious of them (they might get fos:ed and voted after my reread) but I don't want my votes and fos:es to cause any problems the coming day/s if things get rolling (seems unlikely considering the present day speed of the game, but we are getting closer to a deadline).

[Nyktorion]

As 'honest' as you think it could sound ecto... it still sounds scummier than high hell.

This honesty does not clear TNE of his prior scumminess, correct. However, in my opinion, it does reinforce my believe that he should stay only at the end my list of top suspects right now.

All of you who didn't like my post 169 shouldn't be too enthusiastic about Battousai's 377 either.

Well, Battousai does is not directly going towards a lynch with his post, but he explicitly calls RC and you to defend yourselves. Considering that we haven't seen much defense yet, particularly from RC, this does not sound too bad to me.

[Tarhalindur]

Earwig has 48 hours to reply to his prod or be replaced.

Thirty-Sixth Vote Count

Rosso Carne (5) - thenextepisode, nyktorion, SlySly, Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry), Ectomancer
Battousai (rep. ryan) (1) - Jester
thenextepisode (1) - Rosso Carne
Johoohno (3) - RangeroftheNorth (rep. Dean Harper), Tamuz, Battousai

Not Voting (2) - Earwig, Johoohno

7 votes to lynch.

FoS Count:

Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry) (2) - thenextepisode, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (2) - Ectomancer, RangeroftheNorth
ryan (1) - Jester
thenextepisode (1) - Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry)
Johoohno (1) - Nyktorion

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Final Day 1 Deadline:

~12:00 AM, March 5, 2008 (GMT -6);

THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 9 DAYS FROM TODAY

[Rosso Carne]

why is tne not dead?

[Battousai]

The same reason you or Johoohno is not dead. There seems to be quite a few people unwilling to switch their vote to get the lynch.

[Earwig]

/prodded

[Ectomancer]

/prodded

Yay. Now pick somebody to vote for.....

[Jester]

OK, I'm done with my re-read, and it was quite helpful! It really got me reconnected to this game, and helped me to clarify to myself why some players are really making me uneasy. I was also able to step back from a few things I found suspicous and decide that they weren't as scummy as they appeared to me on first glance.

I'm gonna do a person-by-person overview of the players based on my re-read, followed by changing my vote (

unvote

), but first, here's a few things I wanted to address that were brought up since my last post.

67: Jester raises the notion of multiple mafia groups.

Actually, I asked what "mountainous" meant and made a poor guess based on some reading of a couple of completed mountainous games in Little Italy. And welcome to the game! I wouldn't want to be replacing Blackberry in this game, heh.

I had forgotten that my predecessor was Blackberry.

ROFL I was thinking while reading your 352, "He

does

realize he's replacing BB, doesn't he?" Apparently, you didn't. Ironically, your posting this made me feel a lot better about you, and the slot that you're replacing. More on this in my next post.

FoS: Rosso Carne. I think you're scum. I think you were setting up Blackberry for D1 lynch, recognising that his playstyle was just horrible and made him look divided from town.

This, however, made me a little wary. "Divided from town"

really

jumped off the screen at me. I tried to remember where I'd read this before. Then I remembered. SlySly's 127, which I read during my re-read. You've just finished a read, so presumably you also read it, though you hopped over it in your 352. Can you explain this connection? I bring it up because I've been playing mafia a while, and I'd never heard that term until SlySly brought it up, and to have two different players bring it up in the same game jumped out at me.

I know no such thing. You have not made a post since post 169 where you have included anything about your suspicions on anyone. (Except for your FOS of me in the last post) Even in post 169, you simply relist the people from the vote count and restate (in brief terms) why they have been voted for. That isn't finding people suspicious, that's just summarizing the game.

::blinks:: You know... you're absolutely, totally right. I'd never noticed this until you pointed it out... and J suddenly moves to say he will correct this discrepancy

in his very next post

. Excellent call. Your further point about J speculating about game setup in a game that should have limited power-roles? Nearly as good. I had a

FOS: Johoohno

before for speculating on game setup before, but apparently it didn't get picked up by the mod. So there it is again.

As for your point that I shouldn't post who I think seems pro-town, I completely disagree. My post clearly outlined my thoughts on everyone. I am a fan of completely disclosing my thoughts. The scum are playing the same game we are. They are well aware of who seems the most pro-town so far. I think that having my thought down in the thread is just as helpful to the town as it is to the scum.

QFT. Everyone who says something like "trying to point out townies is a gift to the mafia" annoys me (more on this quote, and who said it, in my next post). It's like the person thinks the mafia doesn't know who the good guys are, which is ridiculous.

And that's all for the catch-up. Notes from my re-read within the hour. ::starts typing::

[Jester]

OK. Everyone, in alphabetical order.

Battousai

. Before my reread, I was suspicious of ryan because I felt like he was making a lot of adhom attacks and was vote-hopping. During my re-read, I found that wasn't happening as much as I thought it was, so I think I made a bad call here. Initially, ryan was suspicious of RC, BB, and Earwig, and almost immediately began jumping up and down on RC and BB. This is consistent. The adhoms started around 220, and the unvote came at 255. But by this time, ryan's play-style elsewhere had become erratic.

That said, I'm a little unhappy with Battousai's play; I don't feel like you're justifying your vote enough. You say that we're driving toward either a Johoohno or RC lynch, but RC isn't on your list of suspects. This doesn't bother you, that we're probably about to lynch someone you apparently don't find suspicious? Why didn't you bring this up when you asked people to justify their votes for one or the other? More to the point, why didn't you answer your own question? You also have no FOS's on anyone, which I find a little odd, given your suspect list is pretty long. Still, there's definitely scummier players in this game.

Un-FOS ryan/Battousai

. For now.

Earwig

. Mostly lurking. Only 19 posts, most of them full of nothing. Has been mostly focused on Tamuz, and accuses Tamuz of not justifying his vote (128), but then switches his vote off Tamuz to join the TNE band-wagon. After that band-wagon fell apart, drifted off into apathy. Says that RC has a jack-ass play-style (298), and Ecto has an early aggressive attacks play-style (43). Less focused attacks on BB and J, says using ryan's play-style against Battaousai is unfair (334). Is sitting out the game, which I don't like.

FOS: Earwig

.

Ectomancer

. You've been a really solid player. In particular, I like your 156, 166, 181, 184, and 276. Has the courage of his convictions, which in my experience is a strong townie trait; scum have a hard time pulling it off. But those convictions (and his posting rate) have been dropping off as we approach a lynch, which is a mild scum-tell. Still, I'm pretty sure you're a townie.

Fat_Tony

. Started out as Blackberry, who was all over the map. BB apparently had a theory about Earwig, but now we'll never know it. That theory soaked up a hundred or more posts in the early game. Attacked (deep breath) Nyktorion, Earwig, TNE, ryan, Slysly, and Joohoohno, but then said he was mostly suspicious of J, RC, and TNE. Never actually attacked RC, and defended him a couple of times (36, 106), so saying he's suspicious of RC didn't look credible. Suspicious as hell. Little or no logical flow-through on his posts, and lots of buddying up to RC despite listing him as suspicious. Post 273, for instance, is just flat weird. Fat_Tony is trying to keep his fingers in the dike, and is quickly running out of fingers. Still, you mount a credible defense against SlySly's attack in your 363. Still, suspicious. My FOS on you remains.

joohoohno

. Another one that's all over the map. Early attacks on (another deep breath) Earwig, SlySly, Tamuz, Ecto, Blackberry, RC, TNE. As ROTN correctly points out, though, he's

never

come out with a solid reason for voting for

anyone

, but just comes out with these unfounded (and in 169, strawman) attacks until he got blasted for his 169, then completely shut down. Put a vote on Tamuz in post 7, and didn't take it off until post 386! I'm stunned I didn't notice this until my re-read. Has been obsessed with the setup despite it being a mountainous game, then says "trying to point out townies is a gift to the mafia" (349), which is just ridiculous. Like the mafia don't know who the townies are. Asked for everyone to post a scum list, but didn't have one himself, then when pressured for one, said he'd have to do a re-read to come up with it. My FOS on you

definitely

remains.

Nyktorion

. My initial read on you was townie, and it still pretty much is. You've been consistent in your attacks on J and RC, though you were a little quick to join the TNE band-wagon. Said you didn't believe TNE was a VI (268), said that you didn't find BB's "scattergunning" all that scummy (367). You seem to be pretty focused on J, RC, and BB, and I mostly am too, so I guess that's OK. I still mostly read you as a townie.

RangeroftheNorth

. DeanHarper was a /dev/null, but you've come into the game and provided some really solid play and some really good insights. You're either a townie or a truly masterful scum. 'nuff said for now.

Rosso Carne

. Your game has been 29 posts of

ad hominem

attacks, pointless tangents, buddying up to Blackberry, and other related anti-townieness. I can't decide if you are just the most anti-town player I've ever seen, or the most obvious, lurking-in-plain-sight scum I've ever seen. Posts I particularly didn't like from you include 145, 155, 178, 244, and 271. And you refuse to defend yourself, which is stupid and (if you're a townie) is even more anti-town. If attacked townies don't defend themselves, the mafia wins.

FOS: Rosso Carne

, but I ain't voting for you. I think you

want

to be lynched, either 'cause you're a jester or because you're just enjoying being a dick in this game.

SlySly

. Your inital posts were full of absolutely nothing, which always pings my scumdar. You were a major perpetuator of the Blackberry theory water-muddying, and your attacks on people are usually laced with something insulting. You've also been spreading your attacks all over the place, notably Blackberry, RC, Tamuz, Earwig, joohoohno, and TNE. I really didn't care for your 245, in which you state that you believe TNE is the village idiot, but then go right ahead and vote him anyway. Still, within the overall scope of your posts, you've been fairly consistent. If you're scum, you're pretty good at it. I'm not going to FOS you just yet, but I definitely don't trust you.

Tamuz

.

And I have to admit that I don't much care for a number of Tamuz's posts. His 193, for instance, really rubs me the wrong way.

As I mentioned, I threw out my first set of notes. But when I got to this post, I checked, and sure enough, I'd made note of 193 this time, too. It again rubbed me the wrong way, along with your 190. My note for your 199 is "Says being a witless dweeb is his D1 play style" which I think sums up how I feel about you just now. Sorry for the adhom, but there it is. You also said something I found

really

interesting in my reread, in your 249. Specifically, you said you'd be unhappy with an RC lynch. Why is that, exactly? Do you still feel that way? Still, I think you're mostly townish.

thenextepisode

. Another one where a line from my notes sums it up: "Proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he's not too bright" (261). My thinking is that you're a complete newbie town that simply doesn't realize when he's saying the wrong things. You've been following the pack all over the place, which is usually a mild scum-tell, but it can also be a newbie-tell. You should probably get into a newbie game, or at least an Open game (where you get to know the setup in advance). Closed minis aren't for you.

So, who to vote for?

vote: joohoohno

, for the reasons above. I still don't like RC; my re-read changed nothing there, but I don't think I'm gonna vote for him. If we hit deadline, the person with the most votes gets lynched. If that's RC, I won't object too loudly, but I'm not gonna be part of it.

[SlySly]

SlySly

. Your inital posts were full of absolutely nothing, which always pings my scumdar.

It seems to me that what you are saying here is that you have no sense of humor and that you are one of those players that takes the random voting stage far too seriously and attempts to make something scummy out of nothing.

You were a major perpetuator of the Blackberry theory water-muddying, and your attacks on people are usually laced with something insulting.

Well, Pester, when scum are being scummy, should I give them a warm fuzzy instead?

You've also been spreading your attacks all over the place, notably Blackberry, RC, Tamuz, Earwig, joohoohno, and TNE.

Some people seem to believe that suspecting everyone is very pro-town seeing how the town really doesn't know who is who. Sorry I do not have my blinders on to attach my tunnel vision to just one player.

I really didn't care for your 245, in which you state that you believe TNE is the village idiot, but then go right ahead and vote him anyway.

I really don't care that you don't care.

Still, within the overall scope of your posts, you've been fairly consistent.
If you're scum, you're pretty good at it. I'm not going to FOS you just yet, but I definitely don't trust you.

Townies shouldn't trust anyone until they have good reason.

[Battousai]

You say that we're driving toward either a Johoohno or RC lynch, but RC isn't on your list of suspects.

1

This doesn't bother you, that we're probably about to lynch someone you apparently don't find suspicious?

2

Why didn't you bring this up when you asked people to justify their votes for one or the other?

3

More to the point, why didn't you answer your own question?

4

You also have no FOS's on anyone, which I find a little odd, given your suspect list is pretty long. Still, there's definitely scummier players in this game

1) It does bother me some, because I can't tell when Rosso is playing normally or scummy. In a previous game, he acted similarly to this and was a plain townie, but the way he plays is scummy to me. So I have no read on him really, he could be either or. The main reason, though, is that he has only 4 votes and a quick bandwagon on him does not seem feesible before I can get on and sway votes away. And honestly, I didn't want to appear scummy defending him when I wasn't clear that he wasn't scum.

2) By asking them to justify their votes, Rosso and Johoohno have a chance to defend themselves and, Rosso being experienced knows how to defend himself.

3) I didn't know if it was a good idea or not. I was waiting for someone to start it then I would join in. I didn't think Johoohno would defend himself if only I asked him to.

4) That's because a few of those people I just have a gut feeling somethings a miss with them. I didn't want to give them a FOS because in this game they are counted when there is a tie and a gut feeling isn't strong enough to warrant that. Hence the IGMEOY.

[Tarhalindur]

RangeroftheNorth is being prodded. 96 hours, you should know the drill.

Request: It would make things much easier for me (and would increase the probability of correct vote counts) if people would place votes and FoS'es at the bottom of their post. -Tar

Thirty-Seventh Vote Count

Rosso Carne (5) - thenextepisode, nyktorion, SlySly, Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry), Ectomancer
thenextepisode (1) - Rosso Carne
Johoohno (4) - RangeroftheNorth (rep. Dean Harper), Tamuz, Battousai, Jester

Not Voting (2) - Earwig, Johoohno

7 votes to lynch.

FoS Count:

Rosso Carne (1) - Jester
Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry) (2) - thenextepisode, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (3) - Ectomancer, RangeroftheNorth, Jester
ryan (1) - Jester
thenextepisode (1) - Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry)
Johoohno (2) - Nyktorion, Jester

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Final Day 1 Deadline:

~12:00 AM, March 5, 2008 (GMT -6);

THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 8 DAYS FROM TODAY

[Ectomancer]

Ectomancer

. You've been a really solid player. In particular, I like your 156, 166, 181, 184, and 276. Has the courage of his convictions, which in my experience is a strong townie trait; scum have a hard time pulling it off. But those convictions (and his posting rate) have been dropping off as we approach a lynch, which is a mild scum-tell. Still, I'm pretty sure you're a townie.

As much as I dislike bringing outside life into my in-game statements, I've got an MRI and a Nerve Conduction Test scheduled for Thursday to find out why I began experiencing acute chronic pain over the last couple weeks (actually its been going on for months, but got seriously intense the last 2 weeks). Might be tied to 1 of 3 spinal injuries I've had over the years. To top it off, yesterday, on my way to the Dr's appt, my brake hose collapsed, causing the calipers to lock on my front left brake while I was on the Interstate. I pulled over to see what was wrong, and noticed flames licking out of the front wheel well. The fire went out, and Im getting my vehicle repaired, but I missed my appt yesterday, and had to go back today.
Long story short, the pain is driving me to distraction and I can't focus on things very well. It means that Im not as inclined to get into heavy arguments with people right now. Maybe if they give me some good drugs....

[Tamuz]

I didn't, and don't feel like there is a justifiable case on RC at that point/now. Plus, my meta on RC says...

will most likely be a douche day one, but if town will noticeably pull his head out of his ass and start playing D2. Note, but don't vote