I don't think it's too far of a stretch. Musketballs are essentially itty bitty canonballs that were used as ammunition in muskets and pistols before the time of the bullet. Better than assuming there'smikeburnfire wrote:What's up with the musketballs kill? That doesn't seem to be pirate-related. Do we have a British Invaders scumgroup as well?
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anotherscum group out there. (Vampires and Commies and Brits. Oh my!)AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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26 players, 3x2 scum, 1 vig would play out as follows on average:
N0 2.5 dead town
D1 .3 lynch of scum, .7 lynch of town
N1 .5 dead scum, 2 dead town, .3 vigged scum, .7 vigged town
D2 .4 lynch of scum, .6 lynch of town
N2 1 dead scum, 1.5 dead town, .2 vigged scum, .5 vigged town
D3 .6 lynch of scum, .4 lynch of town
N3 1 dead scum, 1.5 dead town, .1 vigged scum, .3 vigged town
D4 .6 lynch of scum, .4 lynch of town
N4 1 dead scum, 1.5 dead town, .1 vigged scum, .2 vigged town
Result: 4.5 dead scum, 12 dead town
leaving: 1.5 scum, 9.5 town
A little unbalanced. There's probably one scumteam of three and two teams of two or some shit like that. Tough to say, but definitely NOT three teams of three.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I'm gonna go back to my "so crazy and obvious it's probably true" theory and suggest humbly the possibility that the last pirate is Rogueben. Without going back and digging up every quote, I do think that TSQ is ballsy enough to N0 kill Dripping Goofball after talking about it.
I also note that if you look at Skruff's talk there's a few glaring examples of possible distancing without attacking when he gives an FOS to TSQ and also spends time criticizing his play in a mini they were in together over some post restriction ploy.
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Also, you guys REALLY think Iammars is dumb town and not incompetent scum? I had a really hard time vigging Skruffs over him. Read his play and tell me where all the bizarre statements and stuff come from.
Iammars wrote:Also, it's not my fault I never heard about my character before, and Wikipedia sure isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.Iammars wrote:It assumes that I saw my role PM, saw that I was ninja scum, then decided that pirates would have to be town and therefore confirm town.Iammars wrote:My role is either one of two things: Pirate or not pirate and not ninja.Iammars wrote:
When?Skruffs wrote:and the ninjas have already obviously hit the pirates twice,
Good point, forgot about that rule.Skruffs wrote:Two hit rule?Iammars wrote:I think cicero is probably town, mostly because of the way that he argued against my wagon on Day 1Iammars wrote:Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.
Also, in Iammars' big "analysis" post, his biggest batch of comments was on the confirmed vig. Who'd be concerned about a vig enough to waste valuable scumhunting time pestering them? A: scumIammars wrote:
Well, more split than it turned out to be. I wasn't expecting the pirates and ninjas to be two scum groups with other people as the town.Thesp wrote:Iammars, emphasis added wrote:This was also back when I thought that the game would be split in half between ninjas and pirates.You thought the game was split between ninjas and pirates when you were a Vampire Finder???Huh?dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I think any game with four killing roles is going to look nasty if you're assuming average kills. My gut says that 3x3 is alright, with each mafia faction having a plausible chance at winning, with (at least) 3 coppish (at least) 3 doccish types. Then if the setup does go south and mafia overtake town, you have thesps role, which get the town back it's lynch, you who can kill people at night, and Fritz's role which can bring either of you back if you're both dead. And those are just the roles we know. If it's revealed that the mafia had abilities like godfatherhood or some kind of RB or something, I might be more inclined to believe that a two man mafia group is possible, but barring that, I don't see how having a two man mafia group in a 26 player game with three other killing roles who need them dead to win, and docs and cops designed specifically to stop them is remotely fair to that group.MBL wrote:A little unbalanced. There's probably one scumteam of three and two teams of two or some shit like that. Tough to say, but definitely NOT three teams of three.-
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What do you think of the fact that Iammars claimed to be a Vampire Hunter well before a Communist Hunter came to light?MrBuddyLee wrote:Also, you guys REALLY think Iammars is dumb town and not incompetent scum? I had a really hard time vigging Skruffs over him. Read his play and tell me where all the bizarre statements and stuff come from.
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Also, in Iammars' big "analysis" post, his biggest batch of comments was on the confirmed vig. Who'd be concerned about a vig enough to waste valuable scumhunting time pestering them? A: scum"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Saferoleclaims? Seems odd."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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In my experience, scum don't claim early on for very little reason. There's no way he could be scum from the same group, and if he was scum from a different group, I don't see him taking a chance that vampires are on the game based on a shady claim that doesn't even have any confirmation that vampires are on the game itself.
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Hi,
~~Claimed Players~~
1) MrBuddyLee - Vigilante (Luke Skywalker)
2) Thesp - Day Vigilante (Sanada Yukimura)
3) Iammars - Vampire Finder (Abraham Van Helsing)
~~Unclaimed Players~~
1. cicero
2. Flameaxe
3. Primate (replaced JordanA24)
4. Kison
5. mikeburnfire
6. ooba (replaced Rosso Carne) - not lynched Day 1
7. Rogueben (replaced Thestatusquo)
8. Samruc
9. The Fonz
10. UltimaAvalon
Explain.Primate wrote:PS: Kison is also scummy.
If we're dealing with 3/3/3, we're in trouble. 4 scum are dead, and that would leave 5 scum VS 10 townies. If I'm looking at the front page correctly, all scum kills/attempts are accounted for. This means the only way scum will get offed tonight is through MBL unless something fishy happens. So if this is the scenario we're dealing with, we'll probably wind up pulling some Mafia 69ish alliances with scum.
Guardian also claimed he only had one partner. Coulda been lying, but something to keep in mind.
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mikeburnfire Flashy
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Guardian was lying 100%.
Primate, why do you think Thesp is scum after he used his power?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Ninjas are down two kills (Nights 1&2). Gobbo's are down two (Nights 1&2). If there's two, pirates are gone, if there's three, pirates'll likely bounce. And we're pretty much at the point where the biggest threat to the scumgroups are each other. The pirates, especially, need to be shooting mafia tonight, just so they can get the other groups immunity to them down.Kison wrote:If we're dealing with 3/3/3, we're in trouble. 4 scum are dead, and that would leave 5 scum VS 10 townies. If I'm looking at the front page correctly, all scum kills/attempts are accounted for. This means the only way scum will get offed tonight is through MBL unless something fishy happens. So if this is the scenario we're dealing with, we'll probably wind up pulling some Mafia 69ish alliances with scum.
Guardian also claimed he only had one partner. Coulda been lying, but something to keep in mind.
Mainly because you're acting in a fashion similar to how a scum would act.You left the big "why" section of the paper blank, though! Do not be afraid to state thy reasons.
I don't. Where did you get that idea?MBF wrote:Primate, why do you think Thesp is scum after he used his power?-
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Sorry. Got Thesp and Kison mixed up in my mind.
Scum directing scum? That was my first reaction.The pirates, especially, need to be shooting mafia tonight, just so they can get the other groups immunity to them down.
I think I'm going to drop my case against Iammars for now. Although his play has been suspicious, with the Communist hunter dead it gives more credibility to Iammars's claim.
There are not 2 people in that goblin scumgroup. I'd be surprised if we only have two pirates/ninjas. Right now I'm thinking 3/3/3 for ninja/pirate/goblin, with "communist finder" and "vampire finder" as red herrings. Does anybody here want to claim communist or vampire?
Anyway, I won't vote Thesp or MBL today. I can see my way towards lynching Rogueben if I'm convinced enough."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Yes, obviously."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Oh, okay. Then yes, that's what I meant. You're telling the Pirates to essentially waste a kill tonight."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Oh. Ok. Well, that wasn't what I meant.
Not that I'm entirely sure that a direction that involves the scum missing a kill and the identity of a scum becoming known information to someone who has absolutely no quails about giving them up is what I'd call an anti-town maneuver.
PS: I just noticed that MBL was killed by both groups N1, which reflects a little worse on my idea that the scum are going to be killing each other tonight.
Who do you thinks scummy then?MBF wrote:Anyway, I won't vote Thesp or MBL today. I can see my way towards lynching Rogueben if I'm convinced enough.
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