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Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:45 am

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MBF wrote: think I'm going to drop my case against Iammars for now. Although his play has been suspicious, with the Communist hunter dead it gives more credibility to Iammars's claim.
No it doesn't. Does it not strike you as odd at all that only after Erg0(Pirate) popped his Buffy claim that Mars also gave us a Vampire-based claim? Cus it should.

Also, I'm going to go as far as to say that there aren't really any Communists in this game. I mean...it
is
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Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:50 am

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Sure, Rosenberg.
UA wrote:Does it not strike you as odd at all that only after Erg0(Pirate) popped his Buffy claim that Mars also gave us a Vampire-based claim? Cus it should.
Iammars had no reason to claim at this time. There was no reason to tie a possible fake claim to Erg0, especially considering Erg0's inevitable demise.

Iammars claim makes him more likely to be town at this point in the game, definitely. Anyone who says otherwise, should be shot.
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Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:23 am

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Maybe he fake claimed so people like you would be more willing to defend him.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."

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Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:38 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:Maybe he fake claimed so people like you would be more willing to defend him.
Arguing in favour of or against him?

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Primate wrote:Who do you think's scummy then?
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Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:42 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:Maybe he fake claimed so people like you would be more willing to defend him.
Or, or, maybe he didn't. Did you consider that possibility?

Use common sense here please.
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Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:04 pm

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*smacks Primate*

Rogueben, who's the scum?
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Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:50 pm

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Kison, who's the scum?

I say this because you seem to have been avoiding making proclamations o' that variety despite commenting on all manner of other things.
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Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:48 pm

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Info: mikeburnfire is not a vampire. Although after sending in my choice, I realized that mbf was a stupid person to investigate, based on the fact that I have a good idea what his role is. I probably should've investigated someone else.
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Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:58 pm

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This isn't helping you, Iammars.

Primate: I had some negtive feeling about Claus, but he's dead now. Without going back to see what people have said, I'd out CES and Iammars near the top of my list.
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Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:53 pm

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I'm willing to believe Iammars claim cause

a) He claimed when he didn't have to
b) Vampire finder fits as a red herring role

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Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:03 pm

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Ooba wrote: I'm willing to believe Iammars claim cause

a) He claimed when he didn't have to
b) Vampire finder fits as a red herring role


I agree.

I'm wondering if we've
now
reached the moment where all good townies should mass claim. The docs are dead, it looks like. Of course the last person to suggest a mass claim was skruffs...
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Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:08 pm

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cicero wrote:
Ooba wrote: I'm willing to believe Iammars claim cause

a) He claimed when he didn't have to
b) Vampire finder fits as a red herring role


I agree.

I'm wondering if we've
now
reached the moment where all good townies should mass claim. The docs are dead, it looks like. Of course the last person to suggest a mass claim was skruffs...
If we are going to mass claim , i suggest it should be in the order of who we think is most suspicious to least , instead of random order
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Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:16 pm

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Sounds like a great way to give the most talented scum a free ride, Oobie.
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Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:24 pm

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Primate wrote:Kison, who's the scum?

I say this because you seem to have been avoiding making proclamations o' that variety despite commenting on all manner of other things.
Now that's just plain wrong. I was very vocal about why Erg0 was likely to be scum(check my first post from yesterday), and why I was skeptical of Thesp's claim. That's not avoiding anything.

I
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If not Thesp, then who? Rogueben would be an easy call, but aside from lack of substantial input, I can't recall anything he's done that glaringly stands out off the top of my head. That is not to say he's a bad lynch prospective - it just means I'd like to get something out of him first.

Most of all, I dislike anyone who said we shouldn't have tested Thesp's claim. A couple of them are dead, but...
UltimateAvalon wrote:I don't think Thesp's dayvig, seeing as its day ending, should be town directed. Its essentially the same thing as a lynch, except if we mislynch, we only lose one town (as opposed to Thesp's mis-vig making 2 dead townies)
...he's not!

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Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:30 pm

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Before someone even tries :
Kison wrote:Despite the urge within screaming for me not to believe that claim, that is something that I cannot find any contradiction for.
I'm not saying that I want to disbelieve the claim itself(which would obviously be stupid). I'm saying I
want
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Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:05 pm

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Kison wrote:Most of all, I dislike anyone who said we shouldn't have tested Thesp's claim. A couple of them are dead, but...
UltimateAvalon wrote:I don't think Thesp's dayvig, seeing as its day ending, should be town directed. Its essentially the same thing as a lynch, except if we mislynch, we only lose one town (as opposed to Thesp's mis-vig making 2 dead townies)
...he's not!

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Uh...sorry Kison, but I missed the part where that made sense

Also, and this is just for the sake of m,y own curiosity, since I figure there's got to be some reason you don't want Thesp to be town-aligned, have you ever seen a scum-aligned Dayvig before? Cus...I haven't
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Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:48 pm

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Vote Count


Rogueben: 2 (Thesp, Primate)
UltimaAvalon: 1 (Kison)

Not voting: 10 (Iammars, Cogito Ergo Sum, mikeburnfire, cicero, Flameaxe, UltimaAvalon, ooba, The Fonz, MrBuddyLee, Rogueben)

7 to lynch!

Deadline will be ~25th March

As things stand, Rogueben would be lynched at deadline.
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Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:08 am

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Hi,
I was reading back through few of the posts and death scenes when i had an idea. But before i explain further , there is a story to be told:

'There was once an island in the Atlantic ocean which was inhabited by a tribe of people who were sea-fearing. Hence for them , their island was their home. Their society was driven by gold which they obtained from a mountain nearby. For the mining , they trained a race of people who were considered outcasts - these people differed in both size and looks from the ruling class. They were provided with no facilities,education and were given only the bare minimum to sustain mining. They weren't allowed to talk to each other too. Hence over the ages , they slowly lost whatever intelligence they had. They weren't given any individual names and as a group, they were identified by the work they did. Gold-Miners or 'Gob'-'Lins' in the tongue of the ruling class ...

Centuries later, a fleet of strange looking objects was seen on the horizon. Fear gripped the people of the land as they saw these monstosities approach their shores. Stranger looking people got down. Fear turned to anger as they realized that they were after their Gold. After a brief battle, all that was left of the once big empire were their mines and the Goblins who lived in the darkness inside them. Releasing that years of mining had made them formidable melee warriors, the foreigners decided to set them free and use them as crew in their own ships.

This is how the Pirates acquired the friendship of the Goblins

-- The Chronicles of PvsNia'


I was thinking of the 3/3/3 scum combination when the thought thought struck me. Why do we have to assume all scum groups are against each other?

Ninja couldn't be allied with Pirates cause they killed Kaleidoscope
Goblins couldn't be allied with Ninja cause Goblin Guardian outed Erg0 Ninja scum

So that left a Pirate/Goblin combination . I decided to investigate this more just to satisfy my curiosity ..

i) Kaleidoscope only votes for Guardian 'cause he wants to survive'

ii) Guardian votes for Kaleidoscope because 'a Kalei lynch is better than a me lynch'
and both of them shifted to the RC wagon as soon as it started

iii) After Twomz declares his day 2 results, Skruffs displays tries to defend Guardian by posting about Goblin samwise , displays incredulity at a third scum group and does not vote for the guardian lynch.

iv) And a goblin kill and a pirate kill have never clashed on any of the four nights so far.

Please read through their interactions for yourselves and see if you can spot what i think i spot.

So if this is true, i think a 2+2/4 scum pairing is more apt. But now the question of balance comes into play - If goblins and pirates can kill once per night, how fair is it to the Ninja's who can kill only once per night?

One possible balancing element would be a one-shot day killer for the Ninjas in the form of Thesp. (Since with Thesp's day ending power , anything other than one-shot scum is over powered) - This also explains Mgm's (Ninja Finder) obsession with Thesp . Erg0 was pretty much going to be lynched. And thesp's kill not being a cross kill does not fall under Rule 17 since they both were Ninja Scum !!


Let me know what you think about this little theory of mine.
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Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:35 am

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I think your theory is very intriguing ooba. It may also explain why Guardian wanted us to kill Thok, the goblin finder. We should look into this more because it definitely seems possible.
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Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:44 am

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Um, Mike, Guardian was a goblin. There's nothing to explain.

Ooba, funny conjecture, but no. It's still Pirates vs. Ninjas.
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Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:03 am

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Oh. Yeah.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."

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Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:42 am

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Unvote: RogueBen, Vote: mikeburnfire
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Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:49 am

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Rogueben is active on the site but quiet in the game. let's remedy that.

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Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:54 am

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@Ooba - did you just invent that italicised flavor?
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Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:32 am

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cicero wrote:@Ooba - did you just invent that italicised flavor?
Yuppers.
Thesp wrote:Unvote: RogueBen, Vote: mikeburnfire. This does not mean RogueBen does not need to die.
Reason for the switch to mike?

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