Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!

[Crub]

Oh well that sucks.

vote: klebian

Just putting it out there.

[killa seven]

i knew mm was town....

fos

at that whole bandwagon... oh and

vote

j dodge

we shoulded lycnhed that guy instead

[RossWilliam]

how did you know, killa? How could you have been 100% sure?

and nice cop-out FoS. people who FoS whole bandwagon's are just trying to distance themselves from a mislynch, without actually sharing any of there opinions.

It's easy to say what would should have done. Everyone can play smart in hindsight.

[killa seven]

well j dodge hasnt posted anything in ages except, 2 one sentance posts, and tsn atleas tries to defend himself and answer questions.. cant say the same for j dodge,

and mm seems like a new guy making a few mistakes, he should atleast get another day to redeem himsef.

however im not completely commited to my vote.

how about that ross?

[killa seven]

oh and later i posted i was fully commited to my vote on j dodge,

[klebian]

how did you know, killa? How could you have been 100% sure?

and nice cop-out FoS. people who FoS whole bandwagon's are just trying to distance themselves from a mislynch, without actually sharing any of there opinions.

It's easy to say what would should have done. Everyone can play smart in hindsight.

This post is pretty wrong.
First, obviously he couldn't be 100% sure someone's not scum, but that doesn't mean that someone can't have strong convictions to the point that they believe something. Otherwise you can argue in another game that a claimed cop who has outed 3 scum isn't 100% town because there's no way to 'be sure'...

Second, Killa seven was not on the mmwagon. He was committed to vote on someone else. And he even VOTED someone who was on mm's wagon, the person he was voting yesterday, so it's not just a cop-out fos...

[Korlash]

Oh now i have so many people I want to vote.... ahhhh... And no phate to put it on... T_T i love to vote that guy...

Really not liking Killa after that post 451. "Knew" is a very bad word to use as no town can ever know anything except themselves. scum on the other hand...

Also not liking Klebian's last post. I mean yeah... He could very bell be 100% sure MM wasn't scum. I mean each scum gets a pm saying who the others are, and so by simple mathematics you can figure out how many, and who, the town are. duh.

There were a lot of people commited to a JD vote, in fact the way things were going voting JD near the end of the day seems like a great way for scum to be able to say "Look! I was contributing see. But i didn't have my hand in the death of a town so meh I'm so towny!"

Toss up between the two of you really... Perhaps Crub would like to give me a reason to vote kleb over killa? hmmm? eh? eh?

[klebian]

korlash
bah, in retrospect, rereading his 'knew' post, I can see where you're going
I def don't like rw's post but k7's was not much better

[Korlash]

=D silly!

[neko2086]

There were a lot of people commited to a JD vote

...including you, in case you forgot...


Shanba, were you happy with your vote at deadline?


Also, just for the record, I'm not a big fan of blanket FOSs. I'd be incredibly surprised if there

weren't

scum on the mmlynch, but Ross is right, hindsight is 20/20, and at this stage of the game, it is way too easy to say that you

know

somebody is scum. Also, k7, before you posted the part you just quoted, you had said

im here tryna decide who to vote for melodyman or tsn

Then your next post you voted JDodge, your reasoning being

fuck it.

It was only after then that you began to seriously look at JDodge as possible scum. So, I don't think it's entirely accurate for you to say that you

knew

he was scum.

[Korlash]

...including you, in case you forgot...

And? Whats your point here? Kelb tried to use the excuse that Killa wasn't on the MM bandwagon as an excuse for him being town but with the amount of people on JD scum could just have easily been on his with the added knowledge that if MM is lynched they were "off a town lynch."

So, I don't think it's entirely accurate for you to say that you knew he was scum.

I'm sorry where did he say that?

[klebian]

...including you, in case you forgot...

And? Whats your point here? Kelb tried to use the excuse that Killa wasn't on the MM bandwagon as an excuse for him being town but with the amount of people on JD scum could just have easily been on his with the added knowledge that if MM is lynched they were "off a town lynch."

I believe you missed what I was saying. I was saying that k7 was not just distancing from a mislynch/cop-out Fosing and 'playing smart in hindsight' because he wasn't on the wagon

and

he also voted someone.

[quote="Korlash"

So, I don't think it's entirely accurate for you to say that you knew he was scum.

I'm sorry where did he say that?[/quote]
Neko mixed up a word but it should be pretty clear what he meant. He meant it wasn't accurate to say he knew MM, as opposed to jd, was town.

[Korlash]

As far as I understood it, Neko was talking about Killa "knowing" about JD. So I find it hard to believe he mixed up a word. If it is a mistake it's more of an entire concept he mixed up.

[neko2086]

...including you, in case you forgot...

And? Whats your point here?

It almost sounded like you were trying to suggest Kleb was scum for being on the jdodge wagon. Just wanted to remind you that you were on it, too. I think I missed your point though, so disregard it.

So, I don't think it's entirely accurate for you to say that you knew he was scum.

I'm sorry where did he say that?[/quote]

Ah. k7 said he knew mm was town. He also seems convinced that jdodge is scum. I mixed them up a bit and thought k7 said he knew jdodge was scum. Nevertheless, my point is really the same. k7 is basically saying 'i knew mm was town and jdodge was scum,' and I was simply pointing out that mm was one of his suspects not too long before his jdodge vote, and that his jdodge vote wasn't that strong to begin with.

[Korlash]

It's all good there Neko... Just like to argue with you you know

[klebian]

Ah. k7 said he knew mm was town. He also seems convinced that jdodge is scum. I mixed them up a bit and thought k7 said he knew jdodge was scum. Nevertheless, my point is really the same. k7 is basically saying 'i knew mm was town and jdodge was scum,' and I was simply pointing out that mm was one of his suspects not too long before his jdodge vote, and that his jdodge vote wasn't that strong to begin with.

Hmm well I thought you had just mixed up a word but it seems you actually believe that k7's claim that he 'knew' mm was town was equivalent to him knowing jd was/is scum. Although you are right in that he considered mm for quite a while, this doesn't mean you can take his statement and assume the contrapositive was true.

[Justin Playfair]

Just a few questions:

Crub: Could you detail, so that the rest of us might have a chance to understand, your reasons for being suspicious of Klebian?

Nekko: When you cast the first vote on JDodge so close to deadline you intimated that it was in an effort to make JDodge contribute. You also suggesting that JDodge was the lurker who troubled you most, and that it was interesting to watch how votes joined a bandwagon. I would like to ask you when your vote on JDodge became a hard vote to lynch, if it ever did, and what the votes that were attracted to that wagon have told you.

Killa Seven: You revoted JDodge immediately at the start of this day. Does this mean that you have a certainty that he is scum, and if so, what is your certainty based on?

Thank you all for any answers.

[neko2086]

I would like to ask you when your vote on JDodge became a hard vote to lynch, if it ever did...

I really had no reason to remove my vote. Neither he nor mm were contributing to the town at all, but there really wasn't anything pointing to mm being more likely scum than jdodge (of course, that's what happens when people don't participate, unfortunately). The longer I'm on this site, the more I realize that not everybody feels the same way as I do about contributing.

...and what the votes that were attracted to that wagon have told you.

The wagon came in a couple waves. The first, after my initial vote, was Korlash, who gave little reasoning for voting jdodge, and k7, who, as I mentioned before, said "fuck it" and voted jdodge after deciding between mm and tsn. These two seem the most suspicious on the wagon, as they joined early without giving much, if any reason (initially, anyway). The second, being yourself and Klebian, actually seemed justified. You both gave pretty solid reasons for joining, so for the time being, I trust your intentions more than Korlash's and k7's. Though, I can imagine that a scum faced with joining one of two wagons would want to join the less popular one (whether or not it's their partner) so as to not have to be part of a town lynch, so I can't write either of you off as town just yet.

[Korlash]

You both gave pretty solid reasons for joining, so for the time being, I trust your intentions more than Korlash's and k7's

T_T you don't trust me? aww... *sad panda*

[Hjallti]

Fixed deadline:
This day will end not later than apr 4th, CET 10.00 am.

Official Vote Count

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch before deadline.

klebian

: 1 (Crub)

JDodge

: 1 (killa seven)

Not voting

: 9 (skitzer, JDodge, klebian, neko2086, TheSweatpantsNinja, Shanba, RossWilliam, Justin Playfair, Korlash)

**********
As you all see I imposed a fixed deadline. I take a period more than three days per living player which seems the standard on the site for mods that impose fixed deadlines.

[Shanba]

Shanba, were you happy with your vote at deadline?

Well, yes. Plurality lynches, so there was no pressing need to move to a compromise wagon, as a lynch was guaranteed anyway. Maybe I might have voted JD to save DS, but that's far from certain, even to me, so moot point.

[neko2086]

skitzer, JDodge, TSN, care to share your thoughts?

[RossWilliam]

well j dodge hasnt posted anything in ages except, 2 one sentance posts, and tsn atleas tries to defend himself and answer questions.. cant say the same for j dodge,

and mm seems like a new guy making a few mistakes, he should atleast get another day to redeem himsef.

however im not completely commited to my vote.

how about that ross?

this does not merit much at all. You're basically saying Jdodge is scummy for being inactive. I'm honestly starting to think that you're just trying to keep the attention on him no matter what. You're getting pretty desperate to keep people from noticing your own scumminess, my friend. Maybe you're bussing, maybe Jdodge is innocent, but either way, I find you scummy.

vote: killa seven

[skitzer]

I can see the mistakes on killa seven's part, but I'm not so sure it warrants a lynch.

[skitzer]

EBWOP: not "lynch", "vote".