I get a feeling maybe I have a different idea of what a vanilla townie is. My understanding of what it means to be 'vanilla' is that you have no abilities besides your vote. I didn't think it made a difference whether you had a name or not. When Matt claimed vanilla, I just assumed that was hismassive wrote:destructor: I was saying that, yes, I could see this as being a game with no vanilla townies. I think that, in terms of the original set up and theme, that having a generic nameless vanilla townie is unusual. There are plenty of flavorful characters in the stories that you could assign a "name" to everyone, even if you don't give them an ability.
I didn't really bother mulling over it no, because the idea seemed to be dismissed by others.destructor wrote:Did you mull over it? What did you decide?I wrote: I wasn't given a name when i replaced in, and I assume that the other replacees don't have names either. This doesn't mean that people who are original players shouldnt claim... I will mull over that for a while.
No, I agree with your assessment of "vanilla" -- that it means that you are a generic townsperson with no ability except your vote. When Matt_S claimed "vanilla", I assumed that he was vanilla but still with flavor (vanilla-flavored, if you will) because, honestly, what's the point of theming a game if you're going to be lazy and not theme that one last role? Finding out he was claiming to be vanilla AND unflavored is what led me down his path at the start. It didn't make sense to me.destructor wrote:I get a feeling maybe I have a different idea of what a vanilla townie is. My understanding of what it means to be 'vanilla' is that you have no abilities besides your vote. I didn't think it made a difference whether you had a name or not. When Matt claimed vanilla, I just assumed that was hisrolebut that this didn't have any bearing on hisrolename. Is this different from what you thought?
I don't like this post by Qman. He's trying to get the town to throw out useful information without any good reason. He could be scum trying to cover up a weakness. His vote on Talitha was not well reasoned, either.Qman wrote:for f's sake quit with the followship talk the flvor is gone, and frnkly you can always have a traitor in the ranks. Ruling people out over role pm claims that don't matter anymore (Or conviting then for it) is just bullshit.
It is bullshit, the flavor has been stripped and I'm more than willing to accept the possibility that the "fellowship" isn't all pro-town. Everyone else seems to dismiss the idea of a traitor out of hand. Ergo, I find most of the debate over fellowship/non fellowship/named/unnamed useless, infuriating, and out and out bullshit. You aren't going to change that. This is aCoolBot wrote:I don't like this post by Qman. He's trying to get the town to throw out useful information without any good reason. He could be scum trying to cover up a weakness. His vote on Talitha was not well reasoned, either.Qman wrote:for f's sake quit with the followship talk the flvor is gone, and frnkly you can always have a traitor in the ranks. Ruling people out over role pm claims that don't matter anymore (Or conviting then for it) is just bullshit.
vote: Qman
Calm down. A vote isn't the end of the world. And where did Talitha ever say she didn't care whether we lynch scum or town?Qman wrote:Voting for someone that just wants to end the day, and doesn't care if we lynch a townie or scum. Yeah that's not a good reason to vote someone. Why didn't I know that? DAMN MY POOR SCUM THOUGHTS!
It's my interpretation of the two following posts:CoolBot wrote:Calm down. A vote isn't the end of the world. And where did Talitha ever say she didn't care whether we lynch scum or town?Qman wrote:Voting for someone that just wants to end the day, and doesn't care if we lynch a townie or scum. Yeah that's not a good reason to vote someone. Why didn't I know that? DAMN MY POOR SCUM THOUGHTS!
Talitha wrote:What do you want discussion on? How about posing some questions or something? Otherwise how is your unvote helping the discussion to move along? You gotta be proactive or the game will drag on, the mod will set a deadline and 9 times out of 10 a hapless townie will be lynched.
I prefer to miss out all the dragggging out of nothing and just head straight to the lynching of the hapless townie (or the hapless scum, if we get lucky.)
Talitha wrote:And i think we gotta move on before 7 more players drop out. It's been a month. Seriously, game days drag on far too long.
I don't want to lynch Matt just for information. I think there's a good chance he's scum. But I concede there's also a good chance he's a townie. That's mafia. I've learnt that it's often good play on day one to go ahead and lynch someone who claims townie. This way you don't risk bandwagonning a doctor or useful town role and make them claim, only to switch back to the townie having blown their cover and gained nothing.
Fine with me. Until I find something that warrants moving it my votes on you. I doubt it'll end the day there, but I don't have a better place to put it right now.Talitha wrote:You are going a bit too far to say I don't care whether we lynch town or scum. But even if you were right (you're not), that still wouldn't make me scum, because a scum woulddefinitelycare whether we lynch town or scum.
Your case against me seems opportunistic and not very thoughtful. You're on the list, Qman.
Which should have told you that I, too, had a named-non-Fellowship role. I mean, I asked enough questions about it.ting =) wrote:Can anyone here confirm for certain that we have named-nonfellowship people? All we have, as far as I can tell, is Coolbot's word. Well, coolbot's half-word, he mentioned that he wouldn't confirm or deny either way.
I'd like to know because he never mentioned named-nonfellowship until massive asked if it was possible.
*snort laugh* Okay for making me laugh in the middle of my Economics class I'llTalitha wrote:I am still reading over and just wanted to mention my amusement at the discussion on whether Matt was given a safe-claim of 'vanilla townie'.
I can see the role PM now... "You are Saruman. Your safe-claim is, well, it's a townie with no name. Hope that helps. Love, the mod."
1.) I don't want us to toss the info we have, I believe that the info that people are working off of is faulty. A good number of people wanted to string up Matt S based on the flavor and it's interactions with what he said, and now he's the closest thing you can get to mod confirmed. Color me wary.Talitha wrote: Qman:
1.) Why do you insist on throwing away any information that we can get from the themed origins of this game?
2.) And why are you so angry at the players who want to use all the information we have to find scum?
3.) I'm in the same position as you being a replacement with no role name or flavour, and I can relate a little to your frustration, but I still can't understand the fierceness of your attitude.