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[Quick]

Quick play is mostly incoherent, odd, contradicting and so on but theres a few of his posts hard to read as not coming from town @bee i know you share the same opinion

Like what posts have I made that CANNOT come from Town?

[Whiskers]

Yeah, I don't think just because you are defending yourself means you are being defensive. Being defensive is a tonal thing. Someone can be defensive and defend themselves OR they can defend themselves and NOT be defensive. You are equating two things as being the same that are not the same thing. I still stand by my statement that being defensive isn't a Scum tell, and I will also say I haven't used the fact that you have been defensive as a reason for why you are Scum.

You are playing semantics here Joey, lets be real now.

[Joey_]

Quick play is mostly incoherent, odd, contradicting and so on but theres a few of his posts hard to read as not coming from town @bee i know you share the same opinion

Like what posts have I made that CANNOT come from Town?

You defintely have a few posts that are well below average in quality and are scummy as hell, namely your post about me jumping wagons and agreeing with 2mill is one

[Whiskers]

I like how Quick has no valid argument to reply to how he is pushing Whiskers for a line of reasoning he is calling pure bs so he is just ignoring me

You should really reread these posts:

994, 1136, 1145, 1272

944: you saw my join date (2011), thought I

must

play on another site. "turns out I was right," except that I haven't played on another site since ~2011. Meanwhile, it's not alignment indicative. ALSO, me knowing "Day phases are a week, not two weeks" isn't indicative of me playing on another site, it's

because I read the fucking rules

944: You tried to trap me in a "null/scum response," because I didn't question Cabd's claim. It's been gone over again and again why I didn't need to question Cabd's claim, this point is moot.
944: You try to misconstrue the requirements for a policy lynch. I think I'd be justified in lynching you because you're fucking toxic, but that was never really my intention.

1136: There was no need to question "the double day thing,"
1136: I alluded to a policy lynch while doing a catchup post, but never pushed it. Again, you bring up that "we haven't even played together before!!" which isn't a requirement for a policy lynch.
1136: I didn't have the time to push scumreads that day. Defending myself from people poking me was good IMO, gives good reads and good information to work from. Aka, Interacting With Others. At the end of the post you quip, "I just don't

feel

it."

1145: I am honestly so tired.

why did I even try to reply to Quick's posts in earnest? that's more courtesy than he provides anybody else.

[Quick]

Quick play is mostly incoherent, odd, contradicting and so on but theres a few of his posts hard to read as not coming from town @bee i know you share the same opinion

Like what posts have I made that CANNOT come from Town?

You defintely have a few posts that are well below average in quality and are scummy as hell, namely your post about me jumping wagons and agreeing with 2mill is one

Yeah, I think if you look at a post I made just after that, you will see that it was because I wasn't paying attention to the VCs.

You jumping on Dunk IS Scummy!!! Like you said their last 10 posts felt "rushed" and that just looks like a BS reason to think they were Scum

[Quick]

I like how Quick has no valid argument to reply to how he is pushing Whiskers for a line of reasoning he is calling pure bs so he is just ignoring me

You should really reread these posts:

994, 1136, 1145, 1272

944: you saw my join date (2011), thought I

must

play on another site. "turns out I was right," except that I haven't played on another site since ~2011. Meanwhile, it's not alignment indicative. ALSO, me knowing "Day phases are a week, not two weeks" isn't indicative of me playing on another site, it's

because I read the fucking rules

944: You tried to trap me in a "null/scum response," because I didn't question Cabd's claim. It's been gone over again and again why I didn't need to question Cabd's claim, this point is moot.
944: You try to misconstrue the requirements for a policy lynch. I think I'd be justified in lynching you because you're fucking toxic, but that was never really my intention.

1136: There was no need to question "the double day thing,"
1136: I alluded to a policy lynch while doing a catchup post, but never pushed it. Again, you bring up that "we haven't even played together before!!" which isn't a requirement for a policy lynch.
1136: I didn't have the time to push scumreads that day. Defending myself from people poking me was good IMO, gives good reads and good information to work from. Aka, Interacting With Others. At the end of the post you quip, "I just don't

feel

it."

1145: I am honestly so tired.

why did I even try to reply to Quick's posts in earnest? that's more courtesy than he provides anybody else.

I've responded to a lot of shit thrown at me this game, starting with Alisae so that is unfair of you to say that I never respond to anything, which is a huge gigantic exaggeration.

You should really respond to 1145 because those are the best reasons I have for Scum reading you.

[Joey_]

Quick play is mostly incoherent, odd, contradicting and so on but theres a few of his posts hard to read as not coming from town @bee i know you share the same opinion

Like what posts have I made that CANNOT come from Town?

You defintely have a few posts that are well below average in quality and are scummy as hell, namely your post about me jumping wagons and agreeing with 2mill is one

Yeah, I think if you look at a post I made just after that, you will see that it was because I wasn't paying attention to the VCs.

You jumping on Dunk IS Scummy!!! Like you said their last 10 posts felt "rushed" and that just looks like a BS reason to think they were Scum

regardless of your VC knowledge, like i said, you shouldve known that i push my own reads because i was pushing you for days. Yet, not knowing the VC doesnt excuse the fact you misrep me with something you shouldve known but its w/e

[Whiskers]

in post 1145, Quick goes, "OMG that's

MY

reasoning for the thing we agree on!! GET UR OWN!!!" and also, "Why have a stance on things you're skeptical about?" (despite "being skeptical" is a stance. Also despite the fact that I wasn't skeptical).
Also tries to teach me the requirements (albeit incorrecty) for a policy lynch.
Also asks who "unanimous townreads" are, which, of course, were Turtle and Beeboy at the time. Then accuses me of contradicting myself for pushing my reads early on Day 1. Here's a thing, Quick: Just because earlier pushes "may not work out" doesn't mean it's never valuable to push them. He also sets up a false choice between pushing reads early and pushing reads "in a stronger way," which I take to mean "later." Also, misrepresents me here-- I didn't say "it doesn't matter who gets lynched Day 1," I said "To lynch a wagon driven by unanimous townreads is acceptable Day 1."

1272: Doesn't give any new information, jsut says, "Read my ISO!" aka, find my case for me.
btw, what is "LAMIST"?

[Whiskers]

No, I'm saying that when I die and flip town, then and only then can you make a case that "Flubber is scum for going to the counterwagon!"

Whats the difference? For the sake of the argument, you know you are town. Why must you flip town first?

Because hopping on the Other Wagon to flipped town is a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to do Day 2. IMO it's not scummy or even really telling, it's just something that happens a lot because for whatever reason the first two real wagons in a game are often 50% scum.

If I am lynch, then I could see someone going back and saying, "You are scum and knew the other wagon was town so you hopped on it and took it to mislynch a townie!" and while that would be circular reasoning, it would be a better push than "You did the thing players sometimes do!"

If I flipped scum, wouldn't Flubber be lauded as a hero for hopping on the wagon? Like, really, to make the argument that Flubber's vote on me is a bad one, you

need

me to flip town first. IMO you can find other reasons Flubber is scummy but so far none of the votes on him are about anything but "OMG COUNTERWAGON WHISKERS SO BAD!"

[Whiskers]

viewtopic.php?p=9684180#p9684180
Like seriously, check out this post and realize that the only person to give any reason for voting Flubber is you, Nero. Beeboy's vote is a direct sheep, Joey, despite claiming to have started the wagon, gives no explanation, HolySpiritTurtle has him listed as "leftovers," as process of elimination from his Townreads. Gerry "just wants the day to be over."

None of these are good votes. Like-- you are the

only

person to give a reason to your vote and I think it's not a good one. I'd be fucking wary of this wagon if I were you.

[Quick]

Quick play is mostly incoherent, odd, contradicting and so on but theres a few of his posts hard to read as not coming from town @bee i know you share the same opinion

Like what posts have I made that CANNOT come from Town?

You defintely have a few posts that are well below average in quality and are scummy as hell, namely your post about me jumping wagons and agreeing with 2mill is one

Yeah, I think if you look at a post I made just after that, you will see that it was because I wasn't paying attention to the VCs.

You jumping on Dunk IS Scummy!!! Like you said their last 10 posts felt "rushed" and that just looks like a BS reason to think they were Scum

regardless of your VC knowledge, like i said, you shouldve known that i push my own reads because i was pushing you for days. Yet, not knowing the VC doesnt excuse the fact you misrep me with something you shouldve known but its w/e

Why am I required to know that if I am Town?

[Whiskers]

Why am I required to know that if I am Town?

because you read the thread and possibly even have meta knowledge of joey.

because you observed the fact that he was pushing his own scumreads and that twoinamillion was objectively demonstrably wrong.

[Joey_]

Quick play is mostly incoherent, odd, contradicting and so on but theres a few of his posts hard to read as not coming from town @bee i know you share the same opinion

Like what posts have I made that CANNOT come from Town?

You defintely have a few posts that are well below average in quality and are scummy as hell, namely your post about me jumping wagons and agreeing with 2mill is one

Yeah, I think if you look at a post I made just after that, you will see that it was because I wasn't paying attention to the VCs.

You jumping on Dunk IS Scummy!!! Like you said their last 10 posts felt "rushed" and that just looks like a BS reason to think they were Scum

regardless of your VC knowledge, like i said, you shouldve known that i push my own reads because i was pushing you for days. Yet, not knowing the VC doesnt excuse the fact you misrep me with something you shouldve known but its w/e

Why am I required to know that if I am Town?

dude i pushed you lmao, you should know as both alignement, it just felt like you shaded me for something you were supposed to know idk

[LicketyQuickety]

Why am I required to know that if I am Town?

because you read the thread and possibly even have meta knowledge of joey.

because you observed the fact that he was pushing his own scumreads and that twoinamillion was objectively demonstrably wrong.

I don't pay attention to the same things that other people do. Its the reason why no one understands me.

[Quick]

Why am I required to know that if I am Town?

because you read the thread and possibly even have meta knowledge of joey.

because you observed the fact that he was pushing his own scumreads and that twoinamillion was objectively demonstrably wrong.

I don't pay attention to the same things that other people do. Its the reason why no one understands me.

Me, sorry.

[Nauci]

I'm *absurdly* busy with Twitchcon stuff and I have a terrifying swollen bump on my left elbow bigger than an egg thats making my arm cramp so chances are I'm not going to be able to read and post until like 3 AM or maybe Sunday so sorry guys!

[AxleGreaser]

@Gerryoat

Are you going to answer my question to you?

@gerryoat

can you explain, where in your previous posts you explained why you think hes scummy enough that you now spruke for a lynch?

i asked dunk a question and they said it was an actual read and i dont believe thats a read town would have

Spoiler: details

Dunker stated this about CABD after CABD noticed Dunker voting a town read.

this is locktown though

You asked

is this satire or an actual read?

got answered

actual read

and as result of that your read was

ONLY

this strong

VOTE: dunk i'm willing to lynch this.

but last i heard, you were

In post 947, gerryoat wrote:
VOTE: dunk i'm

willing to lynch this.

UC is my other scumread



can you explain, where in your previous posts you explained why you think hes scummy enough that you now

spruke for a lynch?

Now i have two problems:

First:

I still don't know how you got from merely being

willing to lynch it

, up to what i saw as "

spruking for a lynch

"

Second:

What saw you do in the thread was get Dunker to commit to it being a read.
What i didn't see was you try to find out why Dunker had that as a read.

I had (pretty much) had that same read as Dunker on CABD at that time.

i asked dunk a question and they said it was an actual read and i dont believe thats a read town would have

does that effect your read on me?

[AxleGreaser]

Re my earlier question and your answer:

Spoiler: earlier Q&A cleared up

This stuff considered in isolation can look scummy.

Going "I'M NEW HAHA IT WOULD JUST BE

TOOOO

EASY TO MISLYNCH ME! BECAUSE I'M SOOOOO NEW HAHA!" means that you're self aware that you're scummy and are trying to avoid lynch for it.
Instead, don't be scummy? new =/= town???

Although, you could argue that Voyager should have been trying to [not play like a newbie].

Yes you could. Other people can still argue the wording but ... Me.
In its complete context, in the thread I now regard it as NAI.

So was that a waste of your fucking time?
Nope. We are now talking, you see I am not just railroading you, and then I possibly have more questions.
They wont be railroading you either.

However my vote is still on you.

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.

Spoiler: defending self example

i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

This feels just as faked as Whisker's Anger.

Get rekt, scrub.

I find too many posts like this where you defend yourself.

and fine you are meant to do that.
and yes a bit later you had a vote on, Alisae.

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae
or trying to drive that scum case forward.
Having fended them off you feel Happy with just that.

I know that as that is my feel read kind of thing, there is perhaps nothing you can really say.
You are busy, but if you want to talk me off that point, but i think its unlikely you could go back remember what you were doing as a towny and explain it more.

Spoiler: Filler

292 explains what a filler post is to Joey. Which a bit ironically looks like filler to me or IIOA. Whatever the right buzzword is.
304 then tries again, with a different explanation

Basically, I see you playing in the thread in that part of the game, dont see your towny intent.

My question

I suppose is can you explain whats going on so I see the towny intent?

Its just this time i dont think there is an explanation that is going to change my view.
It would also get long and bogged down as there are other examples.



My best advice is work at finding scum.

The exact status of this vote is:
I don't like the Flubber wagon.
Not enamored with the UCV one. (vacuous.)

I have not yet integrated the stuff after your reads list into where i am at.
but:
To vote somewhere else I would need somewhere else better to vote.

I have questions and stuff happening. That i need to see to.

So while i am happy to talk you about my read on that period of posting, I am not sure i see the point.

---

Also:

Lastly: Re your comment on my Gerryoat Question

Spoiler: Pretty sure my gerryoat question didnt miss anything

My as yet I believe unanswered, gerryoat question.

In this viewtopic.php?p=9680521#p9680521 You catch the exchange between gerry and Dunk regarding the line, "Is this satire or an actual read?"
What you missed in your post was that

Dunk had actually admitted it was sarcasm [/i] earlier[/i] in the Day

-- like, shortly after he made his initial "this is locktown" post.

If you saw this post:

his earlier posts felt like a grab at towncred
his other posts seem more like go with the flow and just not really do anything
idk don't question it
yes i'm a hypocrite and no i don't care

That when you read it in context is Dunkers explanation of the Beeboy vote.

So if you still think that can you give me a post number.

[Nero Cain]

every time I see UC post elsewhere I just want to pl.

[UC Voyager]

lol

im not the best late day one person tbh

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Am here, still reading, but I don't think there is any space for me to fit in between all these back-and-forth, to the point where I just want to lynch one of you despite my read on you guys to see these back-and-forth to the conclusion.

With that said, 2 hours for Cabd until he's prodded.

[gerryoat]

VOTE: flubber

[Cabd]

With that said, 2 hours for Cabd until he's prodded.

I've had my reasons.

[Cabd]

VOTE: quick

[beeboy]

VOTE: Quick

Choo Choo

(will go back to Flubber if needed to create a counter wagon for my scum buddy Whiskers)