Quick, quick post. Wow, you guys doubled the number of pages while I was away!
I'll grab some memorable quotes from these pages and comment on them as I go.
This is the short version of the story, though: Sonic in these pages seem to have changed to the better, and QX is looking much worse. Roland mysterious behavior seemed to serve only ONE reason to me: save QX's butt.
unvote. Vote QX
FOS: roland
mod: please prod sonic
Will do.
Sonic, when you're back, please try to do the same thing I did below, commenting on the thread from your last post.
See you guys tomorrow night.
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Vampire - good "point system". I'll probably try to use that in the future.
Quitex wrote:Let me tell you that the most pro-town player in this game has been Claus, mostly because he's one of the ICs but I guess his pro-townish behavior is very natural and not intnetional (intentional as "I'm scum! I must act pro-townish")
Whut?
Claus told that one clear scumtell from myself is to tell that I think that Roland is town. Well, I really think he is town. Reasons? Maybe not as active as we would want to, but when he comes he makes good questions and give acceptable answers.
While this is true of his latest posts, this is not what you originally pegged him as town for. That was because of his "play style, which you are used to".
vampire wrote:Strange then that CF has stuck to this theory most of the game,
Sticking to one's theory stubbornly, for me, is a small town tell, although I have been proven wrong on that before. I still stick to this theory on general principles. This is one of the reasons I favored Sonic over CF for a lynch.
- QX post 200 is full of lose.
- I kinda liked Sonic's defense on 201
- Sonoc's questions to the ICs:
Wifom is circular reasoning. Just that. Sometimes it is overused in mafia games.
Question to the ICs: is it considered a good or bad move to try and get things that people said a while ago, several pages back, like how I just did with Quitex's quote?
Anything is fair game. But if you dig a VERY old quote, take into account the possibility that your target may have changed his mind in the meanwhile. Of course, if he did, you should consider the reasons for he changing his mind.
- 216 post is bad. Nitpicking much, QX?
- - 3 times of not acting very town-like.
1- Your trap
2- You assuming a lurking roland was town
3- you suddenly assuming that I was town
4- you changing your reasons to assume that roland was town
5- you accusing vampire of being scum for something that was quite pro-town like.
Ooops, that was one too many.
- 219
Ouch
Sorry about that, really - I did not expect these days to be this busy, but I'll try to catch up more.
- 224
I agree with roland that you can't put people at L-1 JUST to get a reaction. Like I said before, you must truly think that the person is scum (or, that the person would be a good lynch, which in very small games is the same thing). I think the QX L-1 at this time is appropriate.
However, sometimes L-1 may _also_ server as "asking for reaction". Some players never contribute unless their neck is on the line. Note the word _also_ however. Using L-1 only for reaction is not smart (I think).
Also, I think Vampire's non-sequitur was just blowing off steam of a very tiring game. I don't see it as anti-town.
- 225/226
Vampire vote is kind of good. Roland's answer is kind of good as well. I don't agree with the "Newbies should play it out" as much as roland, but I can see his point. However, this justifiable reason to taking a backseat is a very good hiding place for scum who don't want to position themselves (and this is why roland is not so townie to my eyes).
Well, there are still 4 pages around, let's see what roland comes up with.
- 228
good PbP on quitex and roland.
- 230
This is a non-sequitur. Quitex, what would be the purpose of a most townie list? Giving the scum a list of who they should kill first?
While I'm not as nazi as some players are about saying "So and So is probably town", as you have seen, an out and out list like that only helps scum. (think about the difference between a scum listing and a town listing).
Leading. The. Town. Is. NOT. A. SCUMTELL.
- 241
Roland, my opinion (as I read this posts), is that QX got caught red-handed here. While I still have a lingering suspicion of Sonic, his last posts* were better than his firsts, and his answers were good.
Vampire's case on QX is good, and his case on you is reasonable. As it stands, I think QX is a good lynch.
* (although he has disappeared, but I can't complain about that, can I?)
- 249
Democracy IS overrated (as a political system), but In general I agree with this post very much.
- 250
You know, since vampire started pushing harder for QX and linking him to roland, roland started attacking him in a way that seems quite underhanded to me. He keeps saying "this looks wrong", "this looks wrong", but he doesn't go out and out to say that vampire is scum (like CF did to me), or that vampire is wrong and the scum is someone else (like I did to CF).
This post crowns this sentiment. Roland wants to blow away the suspicion on QX with an argument about RL politics. Me no like.
- 257
Don't like the feeling in this post.
- 261
Pride trap. Vampire is now dragged into defending his chart-child, when we could be talking about post 228, which is much more interesting.
- Roland, I must agree with vampire that your "I'm misteryous" attitude does not help. We as IC should help the newbies figure out things by themselves, but you are taking this a bit too far. Town has very little reason to flaunt to be hiding intentions like this. Scum point for you sir.
- 274
OMG, roland is doing the ultra hidden training to transform vampire into the ULTIMATE MAFIA PLAYER in a single game. What now, are you going to put him to wax in, wax out cars in a garage?
Colour me doubtful.
- 290 and 295:
Roland is not asking vampire important stuff. He is picking vampires arguments and not actually saying that vampire is scum (quite to the countrary, since he said he didn't want to lynch him).
Vampire on the other hand, WAS asking questions out of everyone.
So, you are making things out backwards, QX.
- 299
Roland, I must admit, you are a great troll. You have been this for 2 pages with mastery. But I still don't see where you want to lead this if you are town. Your current attitude only makes sense to me as scum.
- The next 10 or so posts
AAAAAAAAAAAARGH! You two guys put a lid on it!
- 315
Yeah, it is. Sorry, CF.
