Mini 549 (Tarhalindur Mostly Mountainous) - Game Over

[Mizzy]

I'm currently on page 15 of re-reading (from page one after skimming all pages backwards) and damn, I firstly want to say how amazingly

mean

this game has been. Talk about teeth-on-jugular dissing action.

My initial comments are about a few players, mainly about how I perceive them having played with them before:

Rosso Carne:

Rosso is an ass. That said, he's an ass all the time if he feels he has reason to be. His playstyle this game has been what I expected it to be and I don't get scummy vibes from him. Yet.

Johoohno:

Johoo is NOT playing like I expected him to. A few of his posts (which have already been picked apart like fresh carrion by vultures) really came off as "not right" to me. I'll be keeping an eye on him.

In other news:

I also don't like the scum-claim (even if it was a joke) by mozsuggs that just happened because it IS against the rules (good job not reading them) and I am of the opinion that anyone who scum-claims, even if it is for a laugh, is not being pro-town. However, not-pro-town != anti-town so I'll just

IGMEOY: mozsuggs

for the time being.

Jester has flipflopped on my list from possible-town to possible-scum more times than I can count. Currently tipping towards the scummy side of my list.

I've wanted to give thenextepisode a stern talking to a couple times during my reading for trying to hide behind the "Oh noes, Imma noob!" veil when really, noob or not, some things are just common sense.

I still have a couple pages to go, but I wanted to give some food for thought ahead of time with a deadline so close.

[Ectomancer]

Earwig: I've not seen you completely frozen into inaction before, but then again, I've never seen you as scum. You're rather timid as town. Are you even

more

timid as scum?

/poke /poke

I think mozsuggs was hoping for a counterclaim.

[Tarhalindur]

Prodding Battousai and Rosso Carne.

Mozsuggs has not technically broken any rules... yet. I strongly suggest, however, that mozsuggs read Rule 3 carefully, since claiming scum is getting dangerously close to a scumbuddy claim, which is a modkillable offense (and the one offense I will NOT be lenient about). -Tar

Forty-Fourth Vote Count

Rosso Carne (2) - thenextepisode, Nyktorion
Mozsuggs (2) - SlySly, Earwig
SlySly (1) - Johoohno
Earwig (1) - mozsuggs (rep. Fat_Tony who rep. Blackberry)
thenextepisode (1) - Rosso Carne
Johoohno (2) - Battousai (rep. ryan), Jester

Not Voting (4) - mozsuggs (rep. Fat_Tony who rep. Blackberry), Ectomancer, Mizzy (rep. Tamuz), RangeroftheNorth (rep. Dean Harper)

7 votes to lynch.

FoS Count:

Rosso Carne (1) - Jester
Fat_Tony (rep. Blackberry) (2) - thenextepisode, Jester
Ectomancer (2) - Earwig, thenextepisode
Earwig (3) - Ectomancer, RangeroftheNorth, Jester
Battousai (rep. ryan) (1) - Ectomancer
Tamuz (2) - Battousai (rep. ryan), Ectomancer
Johoohno (2) - Nyktorion, Jester

Indigo

indicates a player in danger of replacement.

Final Day 1 Deadline:

March 17, 2008 at ~12:00 A.M, GMT -6[/quote]

[Battousai]

I'm here, just been rereading the game to confirm my vote on johoohno.

Also:

FOS: Johoohno

, just in case there is a tie at deadline.

[SlySly]

There is no bigger anti-town move than claiming scum, joke or not. The lynch of the day is now obviously Mozsuggs. His scum claim combined with the scumminess of his predecessors makes it painfully obvious.

At this point, I will be suspicious of anyone that doesn't support Moz's lynch.

[Ectomancer]

There is no bigger anti-town move than claiming scum, joke or not. The lynch of the day is now obviously Mozsuggs. His scum claim combined with the scumminess of his predecessors makes it painfully obvious.

At this point, I will be suspicious of anyone that doesn't support Moz's lynch.

Thanks, but I wont be SlySly'd onto a wagon cause he's going to be suspicious if I don't.

I see no reason to believe scum is more likely than town to make the statement Moz did. I'll need to go back and look at BlackBerry, but I recall Rosso and thenextepisode being higher on my list. There's also been substantial claims made against Johoohno.

I understand deadlines, but I also understand how long 5 days is. Right now, out of all the players, with a deadline looming, I'm ready to squeeze Earwig until he posts content or pops. This supreme lurker play is seemingly becoming popular because nobody ever truly wants to vote one off, and so they linger for multiple days easily.

I cant get behind that rationale.

unvote; vote Earwig

[SlySly]

I see no reason to believe scum is more likely than town to make the statement Moz did.

1. I didn't imply that Moz was scum. Your statement makes it sound as though I did. I did, however, accuse both of his predecessors of being scum and for good reason.

2. Moz's join date was in Feb. I'm willing to bet that in his

self-proclaimed

newb-ness, Moz, before being asked if he claimed scum, thought that his Mafia Roleblocker role somehow gave him the ability to block the actions of scum.

3. Moz did claim scum. His role must be exposed now. Due to his claim, his existence is now anti-town and pro-scum. It is greatly in the scums' advantage for Moz to live as it will keep the town guessing while the scum know the truth and can always bring the question of his scumminess back into the light at any time.

The scum know whether he is lying or not, the town doesn't. That is BAD for the town!! My vote will not change as there will be no better lynch candidate on this day, especially with the deadline looming. I know how short 5 days can be, especially with active lurkers in the game.

I can clearly see how scum would not be in support of Moz's lynch. Your non-support of lynching a pro-scum player sounds awfully scummy to me.

FOS: Ectomancer

[mozsuggs]

I'm currently on page 15 of re-reading (from page one after skimming all pages backwards) and damn, I firstly want to say how amazingly

mean

this game has been. Talk about teeth-on-jugular dissing action.

My initial comments are about a few players, mainly about how I perceive them having played with them before:

Rosso Carne:

Rosso is an ass. That said, he's an ass all the time if he feels he has reason to be. His playstyle this game has been what I expected it to be and I don't get scummy vibes from him. Yet.

Johoohno:

Johoo is NOT playing like I expected him to. A few of his posts (which have already been picked apart like fresh carrion by vultures) really came off as "not right" to me. I'll be keeping an eye on him.

In other news:

I also don't like the scum-claim (even if it was a joke) by mozsuggs that just happened because it IS against the rules (good job not reading them) and I am of the opinion that anyone who scum-claims, even if it is for a laugh, is not being pro-town. However, not-pro-town != anti-town so I'll just

IGMEOY: mozsuggs

for the time being.

Jester has flipflopped on my list from possible-town to possible-scum more times than I can count. Currently tipping towards the scummy side of my list.

I've wanted to give thenextepisode a stern talking to a couple times during my reading for trying to hide behind the "Oh noes, Imma noob!" veil when really, noob or not, some things are just common sense.

I still have a couple pages to go, but I wanted to give some food for thought ahead of time with a deadline so close.

Could you be anymore up YOUR OWN ASS?

[mozsuggs]

I see no reason to believe scum is more likely than town to make the statement Moz did.

1. I didn't imply that Moz was scum. Your statement makes it sound as though I did. I did, however, accuse both of his predecessors of being scum and for good reason.

2. Moz's join date was in Feb. I'm willing to bet that in his

self-proclaimed

newb-ness, Moz, before being asked if he claimed scum, thought that his Mafia Roleblocker role somehow gave him the ability to block the actions of scum.

3. Moz did claim scum. His role must be exposed now. Due to his claim, his existence is now anti-town and pro-scum. It is greatly in the scums' advantage for Moz to live as it will keep the town guessing while the scum know the truth and can always bring the question of his scumminess back into the light at any time.

The scum know whether he is lying or not, the town doesn't. That is BAD for the town!! My vote will not change as there will be no better lynch candidate on this day, especially with the deadline looming. I know how short 5 days can be, especially with active lurkers in the game.

I can clearly see how scum would not be in support of Moz's lynch. Your non-support of lynching a pro-scum player sounds awfully scummy to me.

FOS: Ectomancer

Hmm, good sophistry.
But as i am town, just the most hopeless load of old balls.

[Jester]

Jester has flipflopped on my list from possible-town to possible-scum more times than I can count. Currently tipping towards the scummy side of my list.

Huh, really? I concede I haven't been totally consistent in this game (at one point in the game, I was feeling very disconnected from it, so I deleted my notes and started over from a fresh read), but I didn't realize I was being scummy about it.

What sorts of things, specifically, bothered you?

[SlySly]

Hmm, good sophistry.
But as i am town, just the most hopeless load of old balls.

It does take quite a set of balls to call someone else a sophist when you yourself, in only 6 posts in this game, have already claimed both scum and town. Your credibility is shot now which is why you must be todays' lynch.

[Mizzy]

Could you be anymore up YOUR OWN ASS?

THIS is all you can say for my entire post? Why replace into a game if you're just going to add to the jackassery pool and not actually help the town? You've been here for a short time and already you've caused more problems than you can help untangle. If you ARE town, you're pulling some of the worst town-play I've seen since Adel claimed scum as town.

[Ectomancer]

I see no reason to believe scum is more likely than town to make the statement Moz did.

1. I didn't imply that Moz was scum. Your statement makes it sound as though I did. I did, however, accuse both of his predecessors of being scum and for good reason.

Brother, you downright stated that anyone who didn't support Moz's lynch would be suspicious. Are you seriously trying to tell me that isn't "implying" that he is scum? That is everything

but

stating outright that he is scum. If you are saying you dont think he is scum, why are you pressing for his lynch?

You didn't place your vote until after Moz made that statement about being the roleblocker. That implies it tipped the balance for that role in favor of scum for you. You have failed to demonstrate how scum might be more inclined to make that statement than town.

My observation of your previous post was spot on. If you think that you can threaten me into joining your bandwagon by tossing around your fos's, you are sadly mistaken. Try making better arguments rather than thinking you can herd the sheep into following you.

IGMEOY ScumScum

[Ectomancer]

Someone said Mostly Mountainous must imply an Sk. I think someone may have also mentioned a Jester possibility.

@mozsuggs - lets have a breakdown from you please. Your odd entrance and subsequent behavior is taunting the town.

[SlySly]

Brother, you downright stated that anyone who didn't support Moz's lynch would be suspicious. Are you seriously trying to tell me that isn't "implying" that he is scum?

I can understand you not wanting to follow someone on to a wagon but anyone not in favor of lynching Moz is in favor of keeping a pro-scum player alive and, IMO, that is suspicious and anti-town.

I didn't imply that Moz is scum. At this point, it really doesn't matter if he is town or he is scum. His play has been pro-scum and there is really nothing he can do to make himself pro-town in this game again.

No matter what happens or what he does, the town will have to wonder if his scum claim is true or not. This fact is the reason why Moz must be the lynch of the day.

[Nyktorion]

I understand how this would be suspicious, so I'll explain it. We're now 5 days from deadline. I once replaced into a game about this size at the end of day 2 with a looming deadline, and it took me 8 days to read the game. By the time I'd finished my read, the deadline happened and I was night-killed.

Fortunately, I got enough comments (and a vote) in before the deadline to be helpful to the game and help lynch a scum, but it didn't stop the fact that I went through a tremendous amount of labor for only a little gain.

I see, that satisfies me, thanks for your explanation.

unFOS: Jester

Looking at another game of mozsuggs, it looks like we have gotten ourselves someone who isn't claiming scum as a joke for the first time. So I really don't know what to conclude from your mafia roleblocker post.

[Mizzy]

Looking at another game of mozsuggs, it looks like we have gotten ourselves someone who isn't claiming scum as a joke for the first time. So I really don't know what to conclude from your mafia roleblocker post.

You found other instances where he's done it? Can you share info if the games are finished? I'd be interested in looking.

[Nyktorion]

Looking at another game of mozsuggs, it looks like we have gotten ourselves someone who isn't claiming scum as a joke for the first time. So I really don't know what to conclude from your mafia roleblocker post.

You found other instances where he's done it? Can you share info if the games are finished? I'd be interested in looking.

Sorry, the game where I found this information is not finished yet, so I think I may not directly point to it

[Mizzy]

Looking at another game of mozsuggs, it looks like we have gotten ourselves someone who isn't claiming scum as a joke for the first time. So I really don't know what to conclude from your mafia roleblocker post.

You found other instances where he's done it? Can you share info if the games are finished? I'd be interested in looking.

Sorry, the game where I found this information is not finished yet, so I think I may not directly point to it

Damn, no, you can't. Oh well.

I honestly don't know what to make of it either, even if he has done it before. it's a terribly anti-town thing to be doing.

[mozsuggs]

All garbage. I am town, therefore, QED, I am pro town.
Nuff said.
Next?


ps Mizz Chops i switched off half way through your post when i realised you were a self important windbag, patronising everyone in sight without making a rational argument.
You're a woman, right?

[RangeroftheNorth]

Apparently mozsuggs is a troll, who is more interested in finding ways to offend people than in playing mafia. This is rather unfortunate, as it degrades the quality of the game for the rest of us, but that, apparently, is his goal. Unfortunately, there is very little we can do to prevent him from acting in an offensive. Perhaps if we completely ignore him, he will get bored, and go away. Personally, I think his claim was more of a way to get attention than anything of substance, and thus the best choice would be to ignore it completely.

I didn't imply that Moz is scum. At this point, it really doesn't matter if he is town or he is scum. His play has been pro-scum and there is really nothing he can do to make himself pro-town in this game again.

You just actually said the thing that Ectomancer attacked tamuz for saying. You are claiming that we should lynch a player just based on his play style, regardless of his alignment. This is always a bad idea. We should look for someone we actually think is scum, not someone who we just think is not helping the town.

My consistent suspicions on Johoohno throughout the game, the distinct possibility that Rosso Carne actually wants to get lynched, and the fact that RC often acts in a similar manner leads me to believe that Johoohno is a better lynch than RC. I am growing more and more suspicious of Earwig for reasons I have mentioned before, and for the fact that, when people began to grow suspicious of him, he stopped posting. If he doesn't post soon, I will seriously consider voting for him.

Vote: Johoohno

[SlySly]

Unfortunately, there is very little we can do to prevent him from acting in an offensive.

Uh, we can lynch his rude, scummy ass and nip this pro-scum problem in the bud.

We should look for someone we actually think is scum, not someone who we just think is not helping the town.

I actually thought both of his predecessors were scum and clearly stated such. I do think Moz is scum, but it really doesn't matter at this point. I was just clarifying that I didn't imply that Moz was scum in the statement that Ecto implied that I did.

Go back and read my thoughts on Blackberry and FatTony. My thoughts on this role have been as consistent throughout this game as yours have been on Johoonoo.

My vote will not change. There will be no better lynch candidate for this day because of Moz's scum claim. His alignment will be anti-town WIFOM from here on out. He does not need to survive into tomorrow.

[mozsuggs]

Ranger of the north has hit the nail on the head.
The best way to deal with my nonsense is probably to ignore it-condescnding guff, a la Minger/Mizzy just livens me up no end.

In fact, this is a tactic-I was wondering how many people in Mafia try and use logic, and many view it as a popularity contest.
So far, the popularity contest thesis is miles ahead


The guy who keeps saying "My vote stands" regardless of what anyone else says, looks a bit suspicious-as if i am town, it cant be good to lynch town.
He seems to think otherwise...

[mozsuggs]

Slysly.
Thats the chap-bit scummy of you, old bean.

[SlySly]

looks a bit suspicious-as if i am town

That's a big IF.

Welcome to the rest of this WIFOM game if Moz is allowed to survive.