Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Shiro

You should be a wagon.

I scum read IAI because I read his scum reads as town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also I didn't scum read Viomi regardless of her read of me

I will agree to be today’s lynch if the next 3 are you, whiskers, and beeboy after I flip town. Agreed?

Ew

IAI made me have to say this. I agree with Rhah. Ew.

[Lucky2u]

vote:HST

The game you quoted earlier with the crappy masons which we played together, this really is deja vu isn’t it lol?

uh huh

what really needs to happen is you, axe, me, the two masons and Flubb and Lucky need to form a voting bloc. All 4 scum are likely in

gerryoat, Nauci, MathBlade, beeboy, HolySpiritTurtle, Whiskers, Viomi

and the other 3 are terrible town.

I'm not really that sold on Shiro being town or scum yet though.

Lynch math and viomi and I will follow you to the end oh Captain my Captain.

[Whiskers]

Not only did he mention more than just Whiskers, he also said his reason for not choosing Flubber is because almost every one of his scumreads is on the Flubber wagon.

So, yes, it very much so looks like an attempt to say he doesn't want Flubber lynched without out-right saying it.

I scum read IAI because I read his scum reads as town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also I didn't scum read Viomi regardless of her read of me

I can handle this. Consider me in favor.

I mean if you townread everyone except 3~4 people, you can just say "hey I don't townread this guy so this guy is scum" ya know

I mean, you can, but if you townread everyone except 3~4 people, your reads are probably wrong and you should do some digging.

Why is whiskers so impossible to lynch then!?!!

Maybe you should try making a case on me, nobody has yet.

HST, who is scum again? 3-5 names

None of the names you listed.

like this is the unhelpful type of post I expect scum to make.

that's the unhelpful type of post we got from quick and p much every other asshole in this game.

like i'm not gonna go dig for specific examples but i bet IaI, TIAM, Flubber, and Nero have made this kind of useless, unhelpful post throughout the course of the game.
hell, you policy lynched quick for them. is it scumtelling?

[pienyan]

votecount 2.12

Flubbernugget (4) - HolySpiritTurtle, Whiskers, Viomi, Rhah

Lucky2u (3) - gerryoat, Nauci, MathBlade
Whiskers (2) - I Am Innocent, Flubbernugget
Viomi (2) - Lucky2u, TwoInAMillion
gerryoat (1) - AxleGreaser
HolySpiritTurtle (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (2) - Shiro, beeboy

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is November 1, 03:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-11-01 03:00:00).

beeboy is V/LA indefinitely.

[Rhah]

What would also help a little is, don't be LAMIST if your scumreads are composed of town, there's like 4 people this applies to. The second thing that would help is, not scumreading MathBlade.

[Whiskers]

Add flub to my scum reads

Vote: Flubbernugget

fine.

Why did you vote in this manner. You already seemed reasonable likely to vote flubbed based on previous posts and then you follow Nauci of all people's scum read to vote flubber even though nauci is actually voting me. This was ugly.

what's wrong with following nauci "of all people"
what makes you think I'm "reasonably likely to vote flubber" and if that was the case, then why wouldn't something like this be a fine reason to finally do so?

[Whiskers]

What would also help a little is, don't be LAMIST if your scumreads are composed of town, there's like 4 people this applies to. The second thing that would help is, not scumreading MathBlade.

who are you talking to
what is "lamist"

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget and Lucky are both great lynches.

[MathBlade]

Would also love a Shiro wagon to see him spout wordy words because the more Shiro doesn't post useful things the more this reminds me of mass effect.

[Nauci]

I'm slowly coming around on a flub lynch, I suppose.

[AxleGreaser]

I am voting him as my top scum read (whiskers status is little weird atm; pending?)
(I do have views on the other wagons. [....] (in couple of hrs after [...]

Sorry about the couple of hours but things didnt work out like i expected.
I did however solve most of my issues for myself (still have things I want talk about but they are not required for me to reach a clear lynch order preference.)

Axle that's a vanity vote at the moment wouldn't you say.

Given the strength(+clarity) of the Gerry read, Gerry unresponsiveness about a range of issues. I have clear preference to lynch him, and little expectation more play will solve it.

The reason I am stuck there not consolidating. Is the rest of my lynch order preference and that at each point consolidating does get me to enough larger wagon to be justified.

My consolidation Lynch order is. Gerry > Whiskers > Viomi > || Flubb(1) > Lucky2u

(1) I am not sure I can justify, the order of Flubb > Lucky2u, without counter wagons and information, and Id much prefer to lynch Whiskers as the to way sort that out.
And that lynch order preference is not far off, the opposite of where the lynch seems to going today.

So yes I need to be participating in deciding todays lynch. I am I strongly think lynches on the far side of || are bad, and have not seen evidence that convinces me they are good lynches.

(I will be going out tonight, and will sleep sometime, but deadline is about 9pm my time, so there is no possibility I will not be here to act on that preference.)

So yeah that is, what is going to be for me getting off my vanity wagon. There isnt any one place I can put my vote that looks significantly more likely to flip, that I can put my vote.
However for anyone reading the thread. Thinking hey what wagons are viable, can decide which wagons they think are not viable and simply move my vote according to that list. And that where push comes to shove i will be voting.

[Nero Cain]

I'd do Shiro.

vote:Shiro

[AxleGreaser]

I'd do Shiro.

vote:Shiro

To be better than random to flip scum. Youd have to be basing that on..?

The absences. A not fast enough catch up. lack of vote atm.

or do you have something else?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, you can, but if you townread everyone except 3~4 people, your reads are probably wrong and you should do some digging.

on the flip side, scum only need 5 mislynches (assuming a successful nk each night) He could easily be like "hey I'm going to lynch anyone but my 3-4 strong town reads" as scum.

[Nero Cain]

other than the random "hey she's scum lurking!" then I don't have a reason.

[AxleGreaser]

I might want to ask you one question to help me with that.

Spoiler: something you said earlier.

I believe i understand what you are saying here, or more specifically you said what it

did not

have to do with.

How do you know how scum Joey would have played it? With day chat, any of his teammates with more experience could have been coaching him.

It didn't have to do with his experience

Irrespective of his experience, there would be limits on what day chat, would allow his partners to do with who Joey is.
Especially so as to be consistent with his scum/town meta.

Spoiler: Example Joey(now Viomi) posts I simply cant get read out of.

Also not asking for help to be able, to. That is beyond the pale.
1095 "To be fair ..."
1852 1853 and the sequence leading up to it.
The problem is to work out whether its due to PM or not, I need to put myself in the shoes of the person who said those things, and at times I just cant dot hat with Joey. Was it Joey doing those things for scum motivation, or just what Joey would do as either alignment.

Spoiler: something you Rhah can perhaps help me with.

At the end of D1. Joey made this list of posts.

I'm not willing to lynch probtown, better to no lynch in my book.

But I've played in games where there have been last minute lynches, I wouldn't say today's outcome is already determined.

Dude, if quick isnt hammered the same wagon will form tomorow for the same reasons, they will claim that mafia forced a nl here, i will personnally hammer quick over a nl

You have no clue about what you are talking about, you fail at your conf town role

Imo this wont flip

@quick last words?

You're not very convincing.

About ? Do you know why we get a green flip when theres 3 clear town in game? Because you have no credibility and are vanity wagoning

VOTE: quick

We were not seriously at Hammer it or we were risking a NL.

The town wincon reason for Quick not to self hammer is it deprives town the information. Of whoever feels he is scummy enough to hammer casting the deciding vote.
Joey portrays himself and his vote as someone voting the wagon who believes it will flip town. 2656
Blames other people. 2655 2658
... (more if I look at the whole EOD sequence)

Both those serve a scum agenda. Arise from the conflict of wanting town lynched, and getting away clean without responsibility.
The flip is the fault of Quick, TIAM, anyone but Joey.
and if necessary later reimagined (see 1853 in previous spoiler)

My difficulty, is how to attribute that all to just Joey being Joey rather than a scum agenda.

IIRC, you have done just that. And you are effectively conf town.

Can you talk me through how?

because it is that and other stuff like that, where I have to balance Joey and what he would
post irrespective of town or scum PM, that i wouldn't
and what Joey knows of his own self meta that lets him exploit that to serve a scum agenda.

[AxleGreaser]

other than the random "hey she's scum lurking!" then I don't have a reason.

I prefer my description.

The absences. A not fast enough catch up. lack of vote atm.

but I think i have better reasons to lynch other people.
making people play or die, is thing if we are stuck.

[AxleGreaser]

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is November 1, 03:00 GMT-7 or in 1 day, 1 hour, 56 minutes.

I am going out for a bit (this time it is not a potential bottomless pit) be back in <6 hrs or so
I will be available for consolidation, in the lynch order previously specified all day (my time tomorrow)
After the || is lynching into my less likely than random to flip scum.

[Shiro]

other than the random "hey she's scum lurking!" then I don't have a reason.

Hey, I am not lurking anymore, I simply dont have anything to talk about. I am here if adressed.

[Viomi]

I might want to ask you one question to help me with that.

Spoiler: something you said earlier.

I believe i understand what you are saying here, or more specifically you said what it

did not

have to do with.

How do you know how scum Joey would have played it? With day chat, any of his teammates with more experience could have been coaching him.

It didn't have to do with his experience

Irrespective of his experience, there would be limits on what day chat, would allow his partners to do with who Joey is.
Especially so as to be consistent with his scum/town meta.

Spoiler: Example Joey(now Viomi) posts I simply cant get read out of.

Also not asking for help to be able, to. That is beyond the pale.
1095 "To be fair ..."
1852 1853 and the sequence leading up to it.
The problem is to work out whether its due to PM or not, I need to put myself in the shoes of the person who said those things, and at times I just cant dot hat with Joey. Was it Joey doing those things for scum motivation, or just what Joey would do as either alignment.

Spoiler: something you Rhah can perhaps help me with.

At the end of D1. Joey made this list of posts.

I'm not willing to lynch probtown, better to no lynch in my book.

But I've played in games where there have been last minute lynches, I wouldn't say today's outcome is already determined.

Dude, if quick isnt hammered the same wagon will form tomorow for the same reasons, they will claim that mafia forced a nl here, i will personnally hammer quick over a nl

You have no clue about what you are talking about, you fail at your conf town role

Imo this wont flip

@quick last words?

You're not very convincing.

About ? Do you know why we get a green flip when theres 3 clear town in game? Because you have no credibility and are vanity wagoning

VOTE: quick

We were not seriously at Hammer it or we were risking a NL.

The town wincon reason for Quick not to self hammer is it deprives town the information. Of whoever feels he is scummy enough to hammer casting the deciding vote.
Joey portrays himself and his vote as someone voting the wagon who believes it will flip town. 2656
Blames other people. 2655 2658
... (more if I look at the whole EOD sequence)

Both those serve a scum agenda. Arise from the conflict of wanting town lynched, and getting away clean without responsibility.
The flip is the fault of Quick, TIAM, anyone but Joey.
and if necessary later reimagined (see 1853 in previous spoiler)

My difficulty, is how to attribute that all to just Joey being Joey rather than a scum agenda.

IIRC, you have done just that. And you are effectively conf town.

Can you talk me through how?

because it is that and other stuff like that, where I have to balance Joey and what he would
post irrespective of town or scum PM, that i wouldn't
and what Joey knows of his own self meta that lets him exploit that to serve a scum agenda.

Hey, trust me, I wish I knew wtf my predecessor was doing too.

[Viomi]

It seems like scum is successfully dividing this town into two groups that townread eachother and scumread the other side.

Going to do some more reading and see who seems to be propogating this the most but I still think Nero is my top scumread.

[AxleGreaser]

other than the random "hey she's scum lurking!" then I don't have a reason.

Hey, I am not lurking anymore, I simply dont have anything to talk about. I am here if adressed.

Who would you prefer to lynch out of the wagons most likely to get flipped?

Why?

[Nero Cain]

Going to do some more reading and see who seems to be propogating this the most but I still think Nero is my top scumread.

lulz ok. What is it with this slot and "ZOMG I'M SUSPECTED, LEMME THROW A TEMPER TANTRUM!"?

[I Am Innocent]

I'm slowly coming around on a flub lynch, I suppose.

Remember this post when flub flips town

[Nero Cain]

IAI will you be here a bit?