Open 60: The New C9 - Game over!

[farside22]

Well I'm still thinking Spacecase for a couple of reason. 1) I don't care for his reasoning. 2) when I pointed out my case against him he ignored it and asked about Melody Man instead. Now he seems to think his answer is sufficiate, but a lot of what he says is like he is thinking too hard on what to say.
Now as for who else I feel is scummie I would say Oman just because I've never really seen him agree with people. When he agreed with me about Spacecase not being a quick lynch it surprised me (past games just made me feel like he's using what someone else said to look good). Most of my case is based on gut more then anything I found. But he is someone I have in mind because of some of his actions.

[-TinVision-]

Fourth Vote Count of the Day

Spacecase - 5 (Shteven, farside22, Rigel, Oman, dahill1)

Not voting - 9 (

Cipher, LaptopGun, Spacecase, The Fonz, somestrangeflea, vollkan, MadCrawdad, Phate

)

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Edit: Thanks for the correction, dahill.

[dahill1]

dahill's entry

what do you mean by this? are you referring to my mistake about the 1 cop?

[Rigel]

All right, I'm finally back, and I'm ready to review what has gone on in my absence. Thus far, nothing has occurred to sway my opinion regarding Spacecase. I still think that his actions at the end of Day 2 are scummy, and none of his explanations thus far have been particularly explanatory regarding his flip-flopping.

As for people who haven't been discussed thus far who I feel are scummy, I think that the most obvious one is Wesaq/Melody Man/Dahill. Over the course of 3 days, the three of them as a whole have contributed almost nothing, and I am one of the few people who has pointed this out. Dahill, I'd much rather hear your opinions on the game than you asking other people for theirs. It may be a 20+ page game, but that's no excuse. You knew what you were getting into when you decided to replace, so if you weren't up to 20 pages of reading, you shouldn't have replaced in.

There's only one other thing that I noticed. In a quick review of the thread, I noticed that I made a post earlier stating that if Justin Playfair was found to be dead and town, that either LG or Shteven was likely to be scum for pushing a Justin-as-Mastermind-of-Kabenon's Demise theory. LG's innocence has been stated by Jesse/Cipher, who is incredibly likely to be pro-town, and thus he is likely to be pro-town as well. As such, there is the possibility that Shteven is scum. However, my earlier statement was just a random thought, nothing concrete, and nothing that Shteven has done recently has seemed overly scummy to me. However, I may take a look back to review his overall behavior, just to be safe.

[dahill1]

Mod: it's 5 voting for SC not 4

rigel, to please you i'll make a list

Spacecase: scummy, flip-flopped on the kab vote (already mentioned)

Phate: scummy, didn't know cipher claimed cop, also a "Bizarro Spacecase" as Cipher put it, changed opinion quickly on kab as well just like spacecase
(possible scumbuddies?)

so far these are the people i think are the most scummy
i'm also waiting for perfectiondoesntexist to finish the thread/analyze

[Rigel]

Phate: scummy, didn't know cipher claimed cop, also a "Bizarro Spacecase" as Cipher put it, changed opinion quickly on kab as well just like spacecase
(possible scumbuddies?)

Umm...you didn't appear to know that Cipher had claimed cop either...

also it was pretty scummy for jesse to claim cop and not be one, but on the other hand justin never confronted him

Still... Fos: Jesse

If his not knowing that Cipher is a cop is scummy, then so is you not knowing that Jesse is a cop.

[The Fonz]

It's not the not knowing. It's the apparently believing there to be only one cop, and thus supposedly thinking that Jesse had been caught in a direct lie, and yet only FOSing him because 'Justin musta had some reason' for not counterclaiming him. That just doesn't make sense.

[dahill1]

Umm...you didn't appear to know that Cipher had claimed cop either...

If his not knowing that Cipher is a cop is scummy, then so is you not knowing that Jesse is a cop.

i didn't not know jesse/cipher was cop i just assumed there was only one cop in the game, which i then realized my mistake later

fonz, how does it not make sense? if justin was the cop, and he did not have reason to suspect jesse, than why should i?

[The Fonz]

Because if there is only one cop, and it's not him, Jesse would have been directly lying about his role. Which is a lynch-on-sight offence.

[dahill1]

...but not if the other cop doesn't suspect him
and also imagine if i did vote for jesse. everyone would have gone after me for voting the cop (after he claimed).

[The Fonz]

...but not if the other cop doesn't suspect him

What the hell's whether or not Justin suspects him got to do with anything? If there is only one cop, then he was lying, then he must be lynched.

and also imagine if i did vote for jesse. everyone would have gone after me for voting the cop (after he claimed).

Not in the situation where we know there is only one cop. In fact, had that been the case, we would have lynched Jesse before you got here. If you'd voted Jesse, apparently not understanding there could be multiple cops, it'd make reasonable sense. To believe that Jesse was fakeclaiming, but it's ok because Justin didn't say anything about it, is ludicrous.

Also, it wasn't just that. It's that you jumped on the leading wagon without really appearing to think about it, or adding anything as well.

[dahill1]

If you'd voted Jesse, apparently not understanding there could be multiple cops, it'd make reasonable sense. To believe that Jesse was fakeclaiming, but it's ok because Justin didn't say anything about it, is ludicrous.

I did vote jesse because i thought there was one cop. as for the second sentence, it's just a matter of opinion. i feel my fos was justified, but it wasn't.

[The Fonz]

You didn't vote Jesse. You FOSed him. And no, it isn't a matter of opinion, really.

[dahill1]

my mistake EBWOP

I did fos jesse because i thought there was one cop. as for the second sentence, it's just a matter of opinion. i feel my fos was justified, but it wasn't.

[The Fonz]

Well, it would have been. This is what I'm trying to say. I'd expect any player who believed another player to have lied about their role to vote the supposed liar there and then, not just FOS.

[dahill1]

i see what you're saying, and understand. but for me, i would fos in that situation until i knew more

[Oman]

Back, anything anyone needs me to comment on. I'll comment on other things that I wish to, but if you want me to do somethign specific, hit me.

[Phate]

dahill, why is my not paying attention to cop claims a scumtell? Unless you prove that scum are less likely than town to pay attention to roleclaims (good luck with that), you can take that out of your argument.

[dahill1]

i didn't say its scumtell, but it does make you a little suspicious

[Spacecase]

So your automaticly under suspicion when you didn't know that Cipher is a cop?[/reverse]

[Spacecase]

Opps sorry about the reverse thingy.

[dahill1]

again, not under suspicion, but suspicious. don't you agree that not knowing who is cop and who he has confirmed as townies is a little sketchy. of course, he could have just missed it while reading in which case he should do a reread

[Shteven]

It's certainly odd, yet it's true that there are many mistakes that can be made in mafia that don't truly yield any role information.

[Spacecase]

So does this still make Phate suspicious?

[Spacecase]

In your eyes dahill1. Yuck im having a bad post day.