Mini 551- Mod Abandoned

[Shanba]

Ok. Good, cool, dandy. I blocked no one - I missed my night choice.

[Korts]

Right, I'm here, and I'll be posting content soon.

[Xylthixlm]

Lynch Jerubbaal.

If Jerubbaal is scum:
Cogito Ergo Scum - Xylthixlm
Shanba - Korts
Joubert - Imat
ting =) - Cavebear with a Toothache
SensFan unpaired

If Jerubbaal isn't scum:
SensFan - Xylthixlm
Shanba - Korts
Joubert - Imat
ting =) - Cavebear with a Toothache
Cogito Ergo Scum unpaired

[jerubbaal]

SF claiming Cop is the only reason. If SF is Cop, and we lynch him, than it'll be awhile before we end this game, blocked NK and all. Somewhere over 5 Days, I'd think, because it'd take us that long to overcome our fear of ruining a good Role blocking setup. So no, nobody has any reason besides SF claiming Cop.

But you're missing the point. If we lynch you and you turn Town, we'll lynch SF. If we lynch you and you turn Scum, we've still got a Cop. The beauty comes in the relative safety of night. With a good blocking pairs setup, we can, hopefully, prevent the NK. With that in mind, lynching a Townie to reveal Scum or lynching Scum and keeping Cop beats your plan, lynching potential Cop for Investigated Scum. Trade-offs: 1 Town for 1 Scum, 1 Scum for 0 Cop, 1 Cop for 1 Scum. The last one is unacceptable, yet you keep pushing for it. Its a relatively sound plan, more so than yours by far.

The last one does not occur, I'm not scum. If you lynch me, you get 1 town for 1 scum, which would be a great deal in a normal game. However, all you're doing is letting him get a free lynch from his crappy claim and moving the scum one step more towards winning a normally unwinnable scenario for them. If we lynch SF, we have 3 confirmed townies and 2 scum, it shouldn't be too difficult to shut down the NK with that information, and we can just lynch all the unconfirmeds and win from there. We don't need a cop to break this scenario, it's broken already. Khel would not double-break it.

You are right, insofar as the potential rewards of lynching the claimed guilty would usually be greater than the potential rewards of lynching the claimed cop. However, this assumes entirely that the odds of me being scum and SF being scum are the same, and I can't believe you're all so blind that you can look at the thread and honestly tell me that that's the case. Yes, I have been very abrasive today, but this game is frustrating the heck out of me and I can't believe this town is playing so badly. This scenario should be a town win, absolutely no question, but it's not going to be so if you keep playing this way and refusing to actually read people accurately. SF is scum, you're going to go down to 6-2, if all goes well, and you will have no more assistance in finding scum from any source but actually reading the comments posted. I do not think you can win in that scenario, especially if CES gets killed at any point. In the best scenario, you're playing 6-2 nightless, kind of a crapshoot. In the worst scenario, you're playing 6-2 mountainous, which means we lose.

Read the thread, and tell me honestly if you think SF has as much of a chance to be cop as I have to be town.

Tell me honestly if you think he has a 20% chance to be town. Even 10% is being darn gracious with the way he's posted so far.

[Korts]

I agree with xyl's pairing. If there's a nightkill, Xyl and SF are my top suspects.

I honestly think SF has a fair chance of being town, jeru. I understand you're frustrated, but that doesn't convince me of your townliness. Call me an idiot if you will, and I'm sure you will, but I can take criticism and I sure as hell don't care about your opinion.

vote: jerubbaal

Also,

MFoS: CESc

, jeru's very obviously protecting him, emphasising his townliness, calling him reasonable as compared to everyone else, and so on. If jeru turns up scum, I think CESc should be our next suspect.

[Khelvaster]

If I'm not mistaken, Korts is the only person who's voted in the past week

SensFan(1)--Jerrubaal
Jerrubaal(2)--SensFan, Korts

[ting =)]

mod:

sorry, I didn't know that would count as quoting.

If Jerubbaal isn't scum:
SensFan - Xylthixlm

If Jeru isn't scum, then SF is most likely scum. I'd rather he be paired with either korts or ces, then we lynch him d3. I don't want to risk an nk.

Modnote: Fixed formatting

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

mod:

sorry, I didn't know that would count as quoting.

If Jerubbaal isn't scum:
SensFan - Xylthixlm

If Jeru isn't scum, then SF is most likely scum. I'd rather he be paired with either korts or ces, then we lynch him d3. I don't want to risk an nk.

There are probably 3 scums, and SF probably wouldn't be the one to send in the kill. You're right, though.

[ting =)]

So... I had pizza for dinner today.

[Korts]

So... I had pizza for dinner today.

What kind?

[Cavebear with a toothache]

I'm not comfortable with calling CESc as closed-to-confirmed just based on him guessing at an all-RB setup earlier than most. In fact, if Jerub is scum, I'd think of him as scummier-looking than most. Also, I don't want to see any of the trio of CESc, Xyl and Joubert in the same pairs. Other than that, I think most pairs would be fine.

[ting =)]

Meat lovers.

I'm not comfortable with calling CESc as closed-to-confirmed just based on him guessing at an all-RB setup earlier than most. In fact, if Jerub is scum, I'd think of him as scummier-looking than most. Also, I don't want to see any of the trio of CESc, Xyl and Joubert in the same pairs. Other than that, I think most pairs would be fine.

Yes. I've actually been rereading CES's posts. I don't think he's as town as korts is, but I think an rb would have been more likely to have picked it up than a scum would've.

I had suspicions of xyl day 1, and still do, but he was the first to actually claim rb. At the point when xyl claimed, there was no clear indication yet that we had an all rb setup. It could be the scum have safe claims, or maybe with 2 rb's dead and korts claiming, xyl figured it would be a safe enough claim to make. I don't know.

I had my vote on Joubert as soon as I saw him hammering, and am still suspicious. For reference, the people on the lovo wagon were:

joubert, korts, xyl, cave, sens, shanba.

We probably should not forget about them. Except for korts and sens.

[ting =)]

Wait, that looks weird. I only count 6 people. Is there anyone else who was on the lovo wagon? I've spent the past couple of minutes doing a ctrl+f search on everyone's posts. Am I missing someone's vote?

[Korts]

Meat lovers

Dammit I'm drowning in saliva.

I'm not comfortable with calling CESc as closed-to-confirmed just based on him guessing at an all-RB setup earlier than most.

Actually the precise quote of CESc is "@ Korst: Are you a roleblocker too?" This, to my mind, doesn't quite sound like he (CESc) is RB, but that he wants to find out if I'm a roleblocker like lovo was. He isn't implying, as far as I can tell, an all-RB setup, just that there could be multiple roleblockers. I don't think CESc is really confirmed with this.

Also, I have previously pointed out that I suspect CESc and Xyl the most along with jerubbaal, and now I've looked at Xyl's pairings again, this reinforces me in the belief that they are scum, at least two of the three of them. If you notice, Xyl has himself paired with CESc in the event of SF being Cop, and has CESc unpaired and himself blocking SF in the event of SF turning up scum. Sorry I didn't notice this earlier, I just skimmed through the pairings.

I had suspicions of xyl day 1, and still do, but he was the first to actually claim rb. At the point when xyl claimed, there was no clear indication yet that we had an all rb setup. It could be the scum have safe claims, or maybe with 2 rb's dead and korts claiming, xyl figured it would be a safe enough claim to make. I don't know.

I think Xyl's a bright guy, it would've been fairly easy to guess that the town wouldn't mind a fourth RB after lovo, Elias and me.

About the vote, I seem to remember Elias was on the wagon too.

[Korts]

No, Elias wasn't on it. I've found the problem. You remember when Imat replaced in, he voted lovo to pressure him? Well, in post 340 he unvoted and voted for Xyl. Khel didn't notice this and in the votecount of post 347 Imat's still listed as voting for lovo. From there on, Imat didn't change his vote and didn't point this mistake out to Khel, so his vote stayed on lovo. Easy-peasy.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Actually the precise quote of CESc is "@ Korst: Are you a roleblocker too?" This, to my mind, doesn't quite sound like he (CESc) is RB, but that he wants to find out if I'm a roleblocker like lovo was. He isn't implying, as far as I can tell, an all-RB setup, just that there could be multiple roleblockers. I don't think CESc is really confirmed with this.

Note that I also said I thought it was very likely lovo turned up scum when he claimed roleblocker, without anyone else even mentioning anything of the like.

[Korts]

Actually the precise quote of CESc is "@ Korst: Are you a roleblocker too?" This, to my mind, doesn't quite sound like he (CESc) is RB, but that he wants to find out if I'm a roleblocker like lovo was. He isn't implying, as far as I can tell, an all-RB setup, just that there could be multiple roleblockers. I don't think CESc is really confirmed with this.

Note that I also said I thought it was very likely lovo turned up scum when he claimed roleblocker, without anyone else even mentioning anything of the like.

Even though he claimed

after

the hammah? You're strange.

[Korts]

Alright, time for my pairs.

We lynch jerubbaal

If jerubbaal turns up scum:

CESc--Korts
Xyl--Shanba
Joubert--Cavebear
Imat--ting

Unpaired: SF

If jerubbaal comes up town:

SF--Shanba
CESc--Cavebear
Xyl--ting
Joubert--Imat

Unpaired: Korts

For reference, I made my pairs in this way: made a list from most scummy to least, and the most scummy went with the least scummy, the second most with the second least, so on.

[Khelvaster]

I'm afraid I can't really pay Mini 551 the attention it deserves. Please replace me.

I'm looking for a replacement

[Imat]

Ummm...I voted Xyl? I thought I was voting Lovo at the end there...I'm gonna have to look back on this, I'm confusing myself...

[ting =)]

Yes, you voted xyl. Lovo only had 6 votes on him at the peak of his wagon unless I'm mistaken. That confuddles me. Will this affect the game or do we just play on?

Actually the precise quote of CESc is "@ Korst: Are you a roleblocker too?" This, to my mind, doesn't quite sound like he (CESc) is RB, but that he wants to find out if I'm a roleblocker like lovo was. He isn't implying, as far as I can tell, an all-RB setup, just that there could be multiple roleblockers. I don't think CESc is really confirmed with this.

Yes, I took his post as fishing for your role, not him implying that he is also a roleblocker. That's why I still think you're the towniest, but picking it up seems like something an rb would be more likely to do. I still think CES might be town though. His not believing lovo's claim after he was hammered was what I was thinking, and is similar to you going, 'Actually, lovo, I'm a little surprised by your claim. I mean, you must be telling the truth, no need to lie anymore, so I'm not saying I doubt you, just, you know, surprised. '

I've been rereading everyone's post lovo-lynch posts.

Also, I have previously pointed out that I suspect CESc and Xyl the most along with jerubbaal, and now I've looked at Xyl's pairings again, this reinforces me in the belief that they are scum, at least two of the three of them. If you notice, Xyl has himself paired with CESc in the event of SF being Cop, and has CESc unpaired and himself blocking SF in the event of SF turning up scum. Sorry I didn't notice this earlier, I just skimmed through the pairings.

Yes. I thought it was funny that you agreed with Xyl's pairings, that's why I mentioned that I didn't want xyl paired with SF, but you didn't seem to have a problem with it.

I think Xyl's a bright guy, it would've been fairly easy to guess that the town wouldn't mind a fourth RB after lovo, Elias and me.

Yes, but Xyl claimed for himself and CES, that's 5 RBs. That's nearly half the town, he'd be pushing his luck as scum claiming rb on a guess that we might all be rbs. If he's scum, then it's either the scum have been given safe claims, or they all decided to claim rb n1.

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Your pairings are... odd. If Jeru comes out town, SF would automatically go to the top of the scummy list, no? Does that mean you think Shanba is the town-iest? I would have paired him with you, or maybe CES. Why Shanba?

[Korts]

Ok, here's the list: on top, scummiest, on bottom, least scummy.

Jerubbaal
CESc
Xyl
Joubert
Imat
ting
Cavebear
Shanba
Korts (naturally)

And SF is categorized depending on jerubbaal's alignment, either least scummy or scummiest. Also, in the second pairing, I go unpaired because I have myself listed as most town.

[ting =)]

Yes, then shouldn't you pair yourself with SF if Jeru turns out town? He'd be as close to confirmed scum as you can get, he should be paired with the most obviously town player.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Even though he claimed

after

the hammah? You're strange.

Yes, even though he claimed after the hammer. Does that make me strange, or a roleblocker?

[Korts]

Yes, then shouldn't you pair yourself with SF if Jeru turns out town? He'd be as close to confirmed scum as you can get, he should be paired with the most obviously town player.

Right, but do you want the second most town left unblocked? I think that's open to interpretation. However you want it, I'm fine as long as CESc, Xyl and Joubert don't go in the same pair. I mean, any two of them.