Realistic Mafia - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Haha we got rid of the annoying ones. Two birds, one stone, is that what you call it ?

qft

Vote: Dahill1

Are you CLAIMING scum?

[Battle Mage]

unvote

Clearly the scum are awesome, as they offed the 2 greatest threats to my personal enjoyment of the game.

Vote: Awesome Pants

[Battle Mage]

I was scum with BM once. We won.

what game was that?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Haha we got rid of the annoying ones. Two birds, one stone, is that what you call it ?

qft

i rest my case
oh wait!

unvote

Clearly the scum are awesome, as they offed the 2 greatest threats to my personal enjoyment of the game.

Vote: Awesome Pants

"the scum are awesome" "offed the 2 greatest threats" (who were townies)
now i rest my case

didnt your mother ever tell you that selective quoting in order to misinterpret, is scummy?

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

BM

[Battle Mage]

i dont think it was selective quoting..
you pretty much said outright the scum are awesome

yeh, and i stand by that comment. But i DIDNT say that they offed the two biggest threats to the game. I said they offed 2 of the most annoying people on the roster.

Vote stands.

[Battle Mage]

I was scum with BM once. We won.

what game was that?

BM

Animal crossing mafia. Frankly, the guy who replaced me won, but he had it easy.

Vote: BM

. He is a liability to the town regardless of his alignment.

oh yeh, that was a great game. I should have lived way longer...

[Battle Mage]

i dont think it was selective quoting..
you pretty much said outright the scum are awesome

yeh, and i stand by that comment. But i DIDNT say that they offed the two biggest threats to the game. I said they offed 2 of the most annoying people on the roster.

Vote stands.

oops sorry you're right

gonna unvote then?

[Battle Mage]

Ooh, armix is here!

Unvote, vote: armix

There is no Armix in this game. LaL.

Unvote, Vote: Natirasha

Primate, with me!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.

IGMEOY

BM

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.

IGMEOY

BM

Dude. Name. Right there. Next to post.

why only bring this up now. we've shared games together before, no?

this isnt exactly a new thing for me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Battle Mage

*boo* *hiss*

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.

IGMEOY

BM

Dude. Name. Right there. Next to post.

why only bring this up now. we've shared games together before, no?

this isnt exactly a new thing for me.

BM

The only games we've been in together for any real amount of time are Consulmaker and Normal #65, and I was fairly lurkish in both.

Primate

Primate

Primate

Primate

hmm, maybe if u hadnt lurked so much, we couldve nipped this in the bud earlier.
Sadly, its too late now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You're incapable of change then?

I wonder if Primate will be this active in 'scumhunting' when we leave the random-stage.

IGMEOY

BM

Dude. Name. Right there. Next to post.

why only bring this up now. we've shared games together before, no?

this isnt exactly a new thing for me.

BM

The only games we've been in together for any real amount of time are Consulmaker and Normal #65, and I was fairly lurkish in both.

Primate

Primate

Primate

Primate

hmm, maybe if u hadnt lurked so much, we couldve nipped this in the bud earlier.
Sadly, its too late now.

BM

in this case, yes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You don't think putting your name on your posts five times speaks of insecurities then?

Primate

Primate

Primate

Primate

lol ofc not. Its putting it

4

times that gives uncertain vibes...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, it's good to see the scum-hunting is fully underway then huh

Dasquian

BM

[Battle Mage]

Signing posts outside of one's normal sig is one of my forum pet hates.

Hate this!

Unvote, Vote: Cyberbob

[Battle Mage]

But the thing is, posts are automatically signed by the forum. The point of signing letters is that you know who it's from, and with forums, we have the usernames above the avatar. You just look pretentious and like you don't get it.

Do i criticise u for having an avatar, even when it has no purpose, and looks silly?

No i dont, because everyone is different, and theres no harm in a bit of individuality. Each to their own and all that.

BM

[Battle Mage]

But the thing is, posts are automatically signed by the forum. The point of signing letters is that you know who it's from, and with forums, we have the usernames above the avatar. You just look pretentious and like you don't get it.

Do i criticise u for having an avatar, even when it has no purpose, and looks silly?

No i dont, because everyone is different, and theres no harm in a bit of individuality. Each to their own and all that.

BM

It aids reading comprehension, and makes it much less likely for people to mistake you with other people when reading games. That's also why the Nibbler trend annoyed me a little.

@Cyber, I was agreeing with you.

Just like the signing. If nothing else, it fills the same purpose for me, as an avatar does for you.

[Battle Mage]

My only issue with BM's signing is that BM just sounds like a polite way of saying bowel movement. It's like he ends every post taking a crap.

Have you registered for TA yet?
I wasnt told that Mith lifted the age restriction rule...

Unvote, Vote: Surye

[Battle Mage]

I am unsure as to what to think right now. I feel that maybe primate has some info that we don't, but I don't know if this crusade against Superfly is just him acting on grudge or something. At the moment my vote stays until I see Superfly defend himself.

what does Superfly have to defend against? lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

I agree, while I don't yet approve of what Primate is doing, Superfly is being rather lame...

vote stands.

[Battle Mage]

Post signing argument sounds distancy and blows signal-noise ratio to hell.

Agreed, I've been trying to provide some real signal. Other then Primate, no one seems to have any input on any scum hunting discussion.

Confirm Vote: Surye

Stop it, ur scumminess is actually bringing me down to my knees.

[Battle Mage]

unvote; vote Surye

Mafia is Serious Business.

distancing? i want reasons kiddo.

[Battle Mage]

Could you explain why you think Surye deserves a confirmed vote in a bit more detail?

Every post he makes STINKS of scum trying too hard to look like they are contributing and scumhunting.

Primate, with me!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.

:Goodposting:

[Battle Mage]

[quote="Awesome Pants"]Oops, totally forgot about this game.

[quote="muffinhead"]Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.[/quote]

So you're basically saying we should lynch as many people as possible so that scum don't get to NK?? If you're serious, imo, this is a really horrible plan.

vote: muffinhead

[/quote]

Wtf are you talking about?
Skruffs, if thats you, you're really letting urself go... 0.o

Will respond to more later.

[quote="skitzer"][quote="Kaleidoscope/Mod, Post1"]The police department is requesting the town that if there were any witnesses, they should notify this at the police department.[/quote]

This demonstrates how someone could put the "???????" option to good use. If you were a witness to these crimes, you could alert the police department.[/quote]

I just thought about this, but in the first post the mod also said that:

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]The city of New York has a problem. A mafia syndicate has been running a lot of the town behind the scenes for years. A reporter for the local paper first published a story on the corruption about six months back. The corruption went all the way to the to city hall, and infected the police department as well (...) About half of the old police force has been fired. [/quote]

I'm taking from this that if a message was sent to the police force then potentially any corrupt police officer would get to read it too. I wonder if it's possible for an officer to effectively "arrest" someone without being in a situation where they're claimed. I guess it's up to the townie in question to decide whether they want to risk it and if the positives outweight the negatives. Also, it's probably also possible to feed negative info to the cops if it's possible to feed them real info otherwise any info they received from a player would basically confirm their alignment.[/quote]

[Battle Mage]

Could you explain why you think Surye deserves a confirmed vote in a bit more detail?

Every post he makes STINKS of scum trying too hard to look like they are contributing and scumhunting.

Primate, with me!

BM

No, every post has been trying to defend my suspicious of Primate from a small group who want to support his campaign of blind following.

I dont want to follow Primate. I want him to follow me. Go on, outline your case against him.

BM

[Battle Mage]

[quote="dahill1"][quote="Awesome Pants"]Oops, totally forgot about this game.

[quote="muffinhead"]Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.[/quote]

So you're basically saying we should lynch as many people as possible so that scum don't get to NK?? If you're serious, imo, this is a really horrible plan.

vote: muffinhead

[quote="skitzer"][quote="Kaleidoscope/Mod, Post1"]The police department is requesting the town that if there were any witnesses, they should notify this at the police department.[/quote]

This demonstrates how someone could put the "???????" option to good use. If you were a witness to these crimes, you could alert the police department.[/quote]

I just thought about this, but in the first post the mod also said that:

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]The city of New York has a problem. A mafia syndicate has been running a lot of the town behind the scenes for years. A reporter for the local paper first published a story on the corruption about six months back. The corruption went all the way to the to city hall, and infected the police department as well (...) About half of the old police force has been fired. [/quote]

I'm taking from this that if a message was sent to the police force then potentially any corrupt police officer would get to read it too. I wonder if it's possible for an officer to effectively "arrest" someone without being in a situation where they're claimed. I guess it's up to the townie in question to decide whether they want to risk it and if the positives outweight the negatives. Also, it's probably also possible to feed negative info to the cops if it's possible to feed them real info otherwise any info they received from a player would basically confirm their alignment.[/quote]

you also have to keep in mind that muffinhead is also a terrible newbie[/quote]

Right then Dahill, you're going to have to explain more, because as far as i can see, Muffinhead has the exact right strategy. Unless i'm just a terrible newbie who you feel doesnt deserve an explanation too?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.

That only works if they're good lynches. It would be a complete disaster if we were to do a series of quicklynches and they were all townies. One mistake might not be a huge loss, but several mistakes would seriously hurt us and make a scum victory much more likely.

Basically, I think this is a horrible idea. I'm not sure whether it's just a bad idea with good intentions, or a scum idea hoping to lead town astray, but it makes me feel as though my vote is in the right place.

*sigh*

Let me put it like this. As a rule in mafia games, scum have supremacy at night. This game is a little bit different, as more goes on at night, but taking it down to the basic theory, town has the advantage during the day. As such, as long as we dont allow ourselves to be led around by scum, we should definitely try and lynch as many scummy people as possible during the day.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.

That only works if they're good lynches. It would be a complete disaster if we were to do a series of quicklynches and they were all townies. One mistake might not be a huge loss, but several mistakes would seriously hurt us and make a scum victory much more likely.

Basically, I think this is a horrible idea. I'm not sure whether it's just a bad idea with good intentions, or a scum idea hoping to lead town astray, but it makes me feel as though my vote is in the right place.

It may bea horrible diasaster, however if used correctly i believe it could put us from an ok postion to an excellent position.

It may be a bad idea with good intentions but at least i am putting suggestions up. As for ur vote being in the right place though, u r sadly mistaken. If i was scum it would be preety obvious if u ask some peoplpe here lol.

this post convinces me that Muffinhead is town.

*prepares to be humiliated at endgame*

[Battle Mage]

I can buy that you may be the best player in this game, I sure as hell am not. However, being the best player doesn't mean you're town, so I'm not sure how much that should mean. But now I'm just waiting for you know who so this game can finally get on.

Primate is being sarcastic

you gullible newbes..

Actually Primate IS clearly the best player here. I'd even go as far as to say, he's got the second strongest scumdar on the whole of MS. Not telling who is first, as it refers to ongoing games.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I can buy that you may be the best player in this game, I sure as hell am not. However, being the best player doesn't mean you're town, so I'm not sure how much that should mean. But now I'm just waiting for you know who so this game can finally get on.

Primate is being sarcastic

you gullible newbes..

Actually Primate IS clearly the best player here. I'd even go as far as to say, he's got the second strongest scumdar on the whole of MS. Not telling who is first, as it refers to ongoing games.

BM

Way to blatantly buddy up to the probable info role.

Way to tell the scum to NK Primate. idiot...

Ftr, ive yet to see anything that indicates Primate is a power role.

BM

[Battle Mage]

[quote="dahill1"][quote="Battle Mage"][quote="dahill1"][quote="Awesome Pants"]Oops, totally forgot about this game.

[quote="muffinhead"]Remeber that we have 3 weeks, so we can lynch as much as possible, the more lynching done the less lynches the mafia get. So based on that i believe we should bumrush as much as possible but only if we have an idea someone is scum and if they arnt it wont be a big loss.[/quote]

So you're basically saying we should lynch as many people as possible so that scum don't get to NK?? If you're serious, imo, this is a really horrible plan.

vote: muffinhead

[quote="skitzer"][quote="Kaleidoscope/Mod, Post1"]The police department is requesting the town that if there were any witnesses, they should notify this at the police department.[/quote]

This demonstrates how someone could put the "???????" option to good use. If you were a witness to these crimes, you could alert the police department.[/quote]

I just thought about this, but in the first post the mod also said that:

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]The city of New York has a problem. A mafia syndicate has been running a lot of the town behind the scenes for years. A reporter for the local paper first published a story on the corruption about six months back. The corruption went all the way to the to city hall, and infected the police department as well (...) About half of the old police force has been fired. [/quote]

I'm taking from this that if a message was sent to the police force then potentially any corrupt police officer would get to read it too. I wonder if it's possible for an officer to effectively "arrest" someone without being in a situation where they're claimed. I guess it's up to the townie in question to decide whether they want to risk it and if the positives outweight the negatives. Also, it's probably also possible to feed negative info to the cops if it's possible to feed them real info otherwise any info they received from a player would basically confirm their alignment.[/quote]

you also have to keep in mind that muffinhead is also a terrible newbie[/quote]

Right then Dahill, you're going to have to explain more, because as far as i can see, Muffinhead has the exact right strategy. Unless i'm just a terrible newbie who you feel doesnt deserve an explanation too?

BM[/quote]
unless i'm mistaken, his strategy is to quicklynch as much as possible...
in other words, no time to actually think about it, let's just lynch people!
muffinhead says if we mislynch it won't be a big loss..what if the person is a pro-town power role? also, if we mislynch too many times then we lose. i can see he has the right intentions in mind (try and lynch as many scum as possible before night), but we won't accomplish that with bumrushing people left and right.
[quote="Superfly"]Hey.

Posting n stuff soon.[/quote]
HE HAS ARRIVED!![/quote]

running people up is what will give us information in this game. From the bandwagons, we can potentially learn alot, and this game is easily winnable.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^yes

[Battle Mage]

Posts 196 and 197.

As I said in the sign-up thread, although I did not participate in the original Realistic Mafia at Px2, I did watch it. In the original, there was four roles: Mafia, Townie, Cop(town-aligned), and Mayor(town-aligned, of course). The first three are self-explanatory. The mayor knew the identity of all four cops and got the results of all cop investigations, but was otherwise a simple townie. The cops did not know the mayor.

So far, it seems that K-Scope just stole the same set-up. This was alluded to at the end of the original(the actual thread was deleted, but this is the gist of it)

I could run this same exact set-up again and it would have played out totally differently.

This leads me to believe that BM is the mayor. While he might just be refering to muffinhead's newbieness with 196, he says Primate has a great scumdar in 197. He could be saying this because Primate investigated Superfly, and came up scum. If he was mayor, then he would know this.

And before you ask, yes, I am probably drawing conclusions where there are none.

nice try, but if that were true, you'd expect me to be voting for Superfly, as opposed to attacking his wagon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Actually, muffin's plan is extremely good if alignment is revealed on lynch. That info alone gives us a lot to base the next lynch on.

Mod: Is alignment revealed at each lynch or at end of day?

I also forgot about multiple lynches, so sideney can wait.

Unvote, Vote Surye

.

I expect a claim or something decently soon.

thats a good point. If alignment is not revealed, multiple lynches isnt such a supreme strategy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.

It concerns me how happy you are to conceal information from others.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: Cyberbob

cmon, what kind of half decent mafia member do you know who has a collection of guns in his house? ABR stinks of Vigness at this point.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wait... okay guys, this is probably going to get me killed, but I am sorry, I miss read my night 0 pm. The gun collection does NOT belong to ABR, but BM. I repeat, the guns found were at BattleMage's house. Or at least as it was reported to me, like I said, there may be corruption feeding me bad info. I still find ABR to be scummy for forcing the claim out of me, but I am no longer as sure as I was.

Sorry for the confusion, I hope admitting and clearing it up so soon will show good faith that it was a real mistake.

-.-

I'm not impressed, but at least you're making slightly more sense. My vote stands.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well the crusade on Superfly was just for his name, and even though I don't like that he admits to being a lurker due to laziness we have bigger issues now it seems. On that note

Unvote

I don't wholly believe Surye claiming Mayor in the heat of the moment but I don't wholly disbelieve it either. And BM just makes me feel suspicious of him due to his recent posts and alleged arsenal.

FOS: Surye, BM

ftr, i dont think Surye is intelligent enough to make this up. What about my recent posts is suspicious?
Why dont you find Cyberbob suspicious for his aggressive belongings?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote Surye

- the opening blurb all but spells out that the mayor exists and is a pro-town role in the game, and here he is claiming it with Nab backing up one of his investigation results. No reason to disbelieve him now.

Both BM and Cyberbob's investigation results are incriminating, BM's moreso, so I can't see me not voting one of them today. No vote right now, but probably in my next post after a quick reread of the thread.

Erm, i kinda already claimed.

Also:

Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.

It concerns me how happy you are to conceal information from others.

Didn't like this at all. Encouraging townies not to spell out excuses that a mafia member on the spot genuinely might not think of, then get lynched for, is good pro-town play! Sure, sometimes it's obvious, but sometimes it's not and smart townies don't do the hard work for scum.

It seems liek Armlx is trying too hard to attack people for doing something that is pretty natural impulse. Ive had it in another game, and frankly, its nothing short of opportunism in my eyes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Erm, i kinda already claimed.

OK.

Also:

Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.

It seems liek Armlx is trying too hard to attack people for doing something that is pretty natural impulse. Ive had it in another game, and frankly, its nothing short of opportunism in my eyes.

I totally disagree - it's a natural impulse that doesn't help town, so warning townies off being flappy-jawed is a generally good idea. I didn't think armlx was "trying too hard" at all.

BM

Dasquian

fair enough.

[Battle Mage]

What about my recent posts is suspicious?

Sorry I misread some things back when I was skimming. I don't know what to feel about cyberbob. It is suspicious that he has weapons but so far in mu opinion he has stayed pretty neutral in his accusations until he started to attack Surye. also

FOS: Cyberbob

Not weapons perse, all I know is that he had belongings suggesting an aggressive behavior. Honestly I have no idea what this could possibly mean (whips and bondage? ). But I agree it is suspicious.

For BM to have all those guns, he really has to be a vig or scum I think. I'm not sure which though, I'm going to have to avoid blind

OMGUS

and re-read the thread

Wait... okay guys, this is probably going to get me killed, but I am sorry, I miss read my night 0 pm. The gun collection does NOT belong to ABR, but BM. I repeat, the guns found were at BattleMage's house. Or at least as it was reported to me, like I said, there may be corruption feeding me bad info. I still find ABR to be scummy for forcing the claim out of me, but I am no longer as sure as I was.

Sorry for the confusion, I hope admitting and clearing it up so soon will show good faith that it was a real mistake.

-.-

I'm not impressed, but at least you're making slightly more sense. My vote stands.

BM

Yea, I'm not impressed either. Anyways, how does this changed information make more sense? Since you have already stated how stupid I am, I'll spell this out so I am sure. I'm guessing this is a vig claim when combined with:

cmon, what kind of half decent mafia member do you know who has a collection of guns in his house? ABR stinks of Vigness at this point.

Yes. And sorry about the 'stupid' comment. I just dislike being outted ridiculously early in the game...

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, way to flip my comments. I never attacked Superfly for it. I merely commented. You did the same thing earlier when I said stuff about Prim being an investigation role.

Something is off this game with BM, however as my current read of BM is an ongoing game with possible mitigating circumstances I don't know what it means if it does mean anything at all.

I feel exactly the same way, for the time being at least.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, way to flip my comments. I never attacked Superfly for it. I merely commented. You did the same thing earlier when I said stuff about Prim being an investigation role.

Something is off this game with BM, however as my current read of BM is an ongoing game with possible mitigating circumstances I don't know what it means if it does mean anything at all.

I feel exactly the same way, for the time being at least.

BM

Feel the same way about me or yourself?

I thought I had a town read on Bob this game, though my scum read of him is lurking and sniping. Still, potential cop info > reads D1.

Unvote, FOS Bob

until I get a mod answer to alignment reveals. If its a yes, I'll upgrade to vote.

You obviously. And good point about the alignment thing-id nearly forgotten 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Here's some food for thought.

If BM is indeed a Vig and information comes out that ABR has a truckload of guns, why does BM-Vig immediately assume ABR is a Vig? I'd like a solid claim out of BM.

Because, being a Vig myself, i'm well aware that having guns does not mean you are necessarily anti-town, and flavour-wise, i thought Cyberbob's result was far more likely to be mafia, as it was relatively subtle.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Christ, ever heard of a little thing called RL? I had to answer the phone. Settle down.

I don't know where this "aggressive nature" information came from - I'm vanilla. Last night I tried to make friends with BM, but he was out so I went home.

Actually, i can vouch for this. I did recieve warning in my PM that someone had been in my house whilst i'd been away, so that could theoretically have been Cyberbob.

Unvote

for now

[Battle Mage]

Well the crusade on Superfly was just for his name, and even though I don't like that he admits to being a lurker due to laziness we have bigger issues now it seems. On that note

Unvote

I don't wholly believe Surye claiming Mayor in the heat of the moment but I don't wholly disbelieve it either. And BM just makes me feel suspicious of him due to his recent posts and alleged arsenal.

FOS: Surye, BM

Dude,

Unvote, HoS Celboki

"BM has an aresenal and Surye is totally not mayor although he knows this"

I think Occam's Razor is applicable here, the answer is probably the one that requires the fewest assumptions. Especially given that assuming Mafia and him being SK instead is still a good outcome.

Trust me Occam's razor does not apply here. This is a situation in which especially if there are 3 non town kills plus a vig plus everyone has the ability to try to kill someone else at night, and there were only 2 kills, occam's razor does not apply at all. Because the very fact that there were 2 kills and only 2 mafia groups one of the kills being made by not scum.

Anyway, I think Cyberbob is lying. Because one does not simply knock on a door then walkaway i don't think. I don't think this game works this way.

BTW was anyone talking to Sarcastro last night, and was it in person or not?

I umm, 'talked' to him.

[Battle Mage]

What the hell - you vig-killed Sarcastro on N0?

Umm yeh. Who wouldn't!?

[Battle Mage]

What the hell - you vig-killed Sarcastro on N0?

Umm yeh. Who wouldn't!?

So, you have (had?) a collection of guns at your house and you killed Sarcastro N0. Why, exactly, should we believe that you're a vig and not just a garden variety goon?

Vote BM

Umm because i did kinda already hint that this game featured protown killing roles, not to mention the fact that having a gun does not make you scum. Although i do see where you're coming from. Sarcastro is a good N0 kill for town and scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

but I won't believe anything unless I am present to see it for myself.

You have no evidence confirming you. Your presence there could lead to problems.

Neither does DGB. Why is she going?

Also why the hell is killing Sarc N0 good for town...

Because a Night 0 vig-kill is only good for getting rid of players who will be a detriment to the town, regardless of their affiliation, hence making them a sound kill.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Our entire police force becomes useless once every townie and his mother is packing heat.

ROFL. Damn, i so wanna sig this....

[Battle Mage]

^rolefishing.

[Battle Mage]

He's more important, because he's a better player than I am. I know he is, so he'd be more beneficial. It has nothing to do with roles.

I wouldnt necessarily say that. I've never played with Nab before prior to this game, but from my experience with you, you seem to be a very able player.

@Surye-i meant that you seemed to be, but i doubt it was intentional.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^QFT

[Battle Mage]

I was going to request replacement about 2 days ago, but never quite plucked up the balls to do it. This game is moving way too fast for me to keep up with.
Anyway, i'll respond to anything that needs an immediate response now. Then I'll be off.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Right ok, so up to this point Primate has claimed a role that can kill, but doesnt necessarily, and he thinks we may both have killed Sarc.

Then we have this post by Dasquian:

I didn't see that the N0 death scene had finally been posted, with information about the means of the two deaths. There's a good chance I wasn't the only one - another count against BM. Let me list it out for everyone again:

- Has a load of guns at his house
- Excuses this by being a vigilante, but chose to kill N0

I'm a Vig. Why the hell would i NOT Kill N0 as a Vig, with Sarc on the roster!?

- Also congratulated

scum

for this kill on page 1, before he knew he was going to get implicated when Surye claimed

Well DUH. I'm not exactly going to say 'Wow, our vig did well killing Sarc didnt he!"

- Kill subsequently counter-claimed by Primate

This is untrue. Not only is Primate unsure of his own ability, but he has also stated that it is possible that both of us killed him. Thats pretty far from a counter-claim.

- Guns are inconsistent with Sarcastro's flesh wounds caused by a knife

A minute ago you said that you thought Primate participated in killing Sarcastro aswell. Then surely a second kill flavour is to be expected, no?
Why havent you suggested searching Primate's house for a knife, which might clear this up slightly?

This is really, really straightforward. We lynch Battle Mage now.

Confirm vote: Battle Mage

It probably appears really straightforward because you are looking at it two-dimensionally. Try looking objectively for a change.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't see a compelling reason why a scum BM would claim a kill that he didn't actually do, knowing that there's someone out there who might be able to counterclaim him. I'm pretty much certain there's something else going on here.

QFAT.

[Battle Mage]

I don't see a compelling reason why a scum BM would claim a kill that he didn't actually do, knowing that there's someone out there who might be able to counterclaim him. I'm pretty much certain there's something else going on here.

This is a reasonable statement. Frankly I'm mystified as to why pro-town BM would kill Sarcastro N0

at all

, let alone claim to do it. However, if he was part of the scum-group which kill Sarcastro, he could happily claim the kill as a vig (hence my earlier attention to the lack of a second mafia kill if Sarcastro's death was at the hands of vig-BM).

Your counter-claim throws a spanner in the works, for sure.

But if you follow this line of thought, the flavour argument is nulled, because if you believe i actually killed Sarcastro as scum, you cant use the argument that there was a knife at the scene as evidence that i wasnt there.

BM

[Battle Mage]

One of the 2 is very clearly lying, and I'm inclined to think BM as, well, why shank someone when you have a 12-gage?

This is incorrect. See earlier flavour assessment.

Also, the last bit made me ROFL.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm starting to think BM is avoiding this game....

Yea... I can't help but notice him posting elsewhere. Why is he lurking?

yeah he definitely is active in other games
i say by using our ???? actions, we set up a trap like Home Alone, so when he posts he slips on marbles, gets tarred+feathered, etc.

damn. shoulda read this before posting.

[Battle Mage]

actually, thinking about it, me dying isnt so bad, seeing as im basically vanilla now without my hoarde of guns. Thanks alot guys. -.-
and with retrospect, i'll only request replacement if i dont get lynched today. Would be kinda cruel to allow someone to join only to die immediately...

BM

[Battle Mage]

actually, thinking about it, me dying isnt so bad, seeing as im basically vanilla now without my hoarde of guns. Thanks alot guys. -.-
and with retrospect, i'll only request replacement if i dont get lynched today. Would be kinda cruel to allow someone to join only to die immediately...

BM

Mind doing one more thing before you give up? Answer Primate's request about details last night?

yeh sure. I dont think i can quote my flavour, but it just said that i went to Sarc's house, but he wasnt in. Then i searched for him, found him outside and killed him. Then when i went home, i noticed that someone had broken in, but they were now gone.

Thats it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Then i searched for him, found him outside and killed him.

And this is definitely pro-town...

What do you think Vigs normally do? Hell, what do you think a RL Vigilante does? Id say hes alot more likely to kill someone out at night doing something, rather than someone tucked up in their bed.

Anyway, you dont have to worry about that anymore. You fiends took my weapons. -.-

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm starting to think BM is avoiding this game....

Yea... I can't help but notice him posting elsewhere. Why is he lurking?

yeah he definitely is active in other games
i say by using our ???? actions, we set up a trap like Home Alone, so when he posts he slips on marbles, gets tarred+feathered, etc.

Dahill suggested this here. Wouldnt it be a tad coincidental if Primate had done THE EXACT SAME THING, and Dahill had come out with it like that??

I dont understand this play by Primate atall. I cant tell whether he's kidding about the whole NK thing. If not, why would he make it up as scum, in the knowledge that nobody on earth, except Armlx, is going to buy it?

I'm quite confused.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Last night I turned my house into a home alone style death trap

is this a joke?

Nope, it was my #4 choice, I figured the chance to write a funny nightscene would make kscope more likely to kill anyone who came to my house that night. I was actually going for a kill result.

@Nabakov: It was implied in the results pm that Sarc got through most of my traps, so presumably there were few left by the time panzer arrived. I have no idea what kind of traps I set, and it never specifically said that sarc got caught in one of my traps, it just said, effectively, that I heard one of some of my traps go off and by the time i got downstairs sarc was dead. Long story short, I heard talking in my house, then I heard the door being broken down. Panzer was the person who broke down my door, so presumably someone was talking to Sarc before panzer elbowed the door in, and that was what I thought BM might have been doing. Turns out apparently he wasn't. So either sarc was talking to himself or, and I think this is the more plausible answer assuming the lack of a third person, he was on a mobile.

PS: I think anyone voting for BM is an idiot because I don't think him scum at all.

Who would go to YOUR house in order to talk to Sarc?

Oh and ftr, Armlx always does stuff like this. Its a null-tell meta-wise.

Also, you 'heard talking in your house'? How would someone have got in without you noticing, unless YOU HAD LEFT.

BM

[Battle Mage]

thats very specific flavour you're claiming... 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Last night I turned my house into a home alone style death trap

is this a joke?

Nope, it was my #4 choice, I figured the chance to write a funny nightscene would make kscope more likely to kill anyone who came to my house that night. I was actually going for a kill result.

@Nabakov: It was implied in the results pm that Sarc got through most of my traps, so presumably there were few left by the time panzer arrived. I have no idea what kind of traps I set, and it never specifically said that sarc got caught in one of my traps, it just said, effectively, that I heard one of some of my traps go off and by the time i got downstairs sarc was dead. Long story short, I heard talking in my house, then I heard the door being broken down. Panzer was the person who broke down my door, so presumably someone was talking to Sarc before panzer elbowed the door in, and that was what I thought BM might have been doing. Turns out apparently he wasn't. So either sarc was talking to himself or, and I think this is the more plausible answer assuming the lack of a third person, he was on a mobile.

PS: I think anyone voting for BM is an idiot because I don't think him scum at all.

Who would go to YOUR house in order to talk to Sarc?

Oh and ftr, Armlx always does stuff like this. Its a null-tell meta-wise.

Also, you 'heard talking in your house'? How would someone have got in without you noticing, unless YOU HAD LEFT.

BM

I set up my traps and went to bed, I was upstairs, I heard talking, then I heard the door break in.

I assume that if someone was killing sarc, they'd be in the same place sarc was. If there was, say, a serial killer, or say, a vig, it'd be a really fucking stupid role if you could only kill them on the nights they stayed in their own houses as opposed to following them to where they actually were.

So while Sarc was fighting his way successfully through traps, he was also talking on his mobile, or possibly, as you first said, talking to another mysterious person who was also in the house?
Also, if the doorbell was rigged, how the fuck did Sarc and this other guy get in?

Did you actually see Sarc die as a result of the traps, or is it possible that he escaped alive?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bugger, that kinda backfired.

But on the bright side, it proves that i DO kill with a knife.

[Battle Mage]

oh and btw, sowwy Primate. I genuinely thought you were scum. 0.o

[Battle Mage]

Sarcastro found his own body?

I'm calling shenanigans.

Also, the word 'shanked' keeps making me rofl.

BM

[Battle Mage]

in a will? lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol

[Battle Mage]

Alright Alright. Im confusing myself here, so i'll claim honestly just as soon as one individual here signs up for my newest large theme game which will be starting soon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

and Panzer doesnt count, since he was already a 'maybe'
:p

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Battle Mage

Anyone who has a visible daykill must not be good.

BTW, if I leave temporarily, it's to put a lock on my door and hide the key in a safe place. Just lettin' ya know.

everyone here has a visible daykill. Try your ??? option.

[Battle Mage]

BM, I want to hear your reasons for thinking Primate was scum.

His claim didnt add up atall, it had so many inconsistencies, and was a massive coincidence with the whole 'Home Alone' thing. I thought if i nailed scum, i could save myself for a while longer.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote vote Battle Mage

it's kind of obvious to vote BM now, and BM will you PM me when you have the whole thing arranged with the backup mod?

Zindaras has agreed to be Back-Up Mod. Im just waiting on Tally now to confirm that we can start. You still willing to be my Co-Mod?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Anyone who has a visible daykill must not be good.

Correction: Anyone who D1 uses a visible day kill on someone who has someone backing up their story of how things went down must not be good.

Correction II: "uses a visible day kill

with a knife

"

that was for ironic purposes. The ultimate irony being me dying. :p

Quick, see if you can get a unanimous lynch on me before the mod shows up!

Oh and btw, i was scum with CyberBob. Last night it was him who made the kill (i forgot that when i claimed lol), while i went to visit Khelv for a friendly chat. I strongly suggest you ask him why he wasnt home.

Hope this is of some use. The game had us screwed over from the start.

Good Luck Town! Armlx, you're added to my pre-sign up player list.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Nice work Sensfan! Cant believe after such a terrible start, you managed to pull us back to a victory! Fantastic!

BM

[Battle Mage]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Except for the part that you didn't win.[/quote]

Have you still got my role pm? I've got a feeling i may have met my win condition...

[Battle Mage]

also, i cant believe ABR was scum. I was almost going to stab him instead of Primate, and perhaps if i had, that mightve given us a larger edge over Corsica...

BM