Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 21

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4 Transcend (Chara, Ginngie, Toranaga, Mulch)
3 Cabd (Firebringer, Spiffeh, Transcend)
2 UnaBombaH (Cheetory6, implosion)
1 Firebringer (Kmd4390)
1 Kmd4390 (Patrick)
1 Mulch (Kagami)

3 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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[Mulch]

Last game I was scum against Eddie, he townread me and then I dominated his ass. It dosen't make sesne that he would scumread me and think his read is legit here.

I would think this would make Eddie more wary of you, rather than just discouraging him completely from even trying to read you?

That's true I guess

Good point

It's possible he's just being super paranoid

but i still would like a reason I guess

yo

ISO patrick

Isos -_-

I didn't really realize this but he does seem to be kind of pocketing me

Kind of in a panther-y way

otherwise I can follow his thoughts but there's nothing exceptionally towny

logic heavy crafty wolf posting IMO

but if it's not jumping out on you that's alright

remember he's from 2006

I've learned that that era thinks weirdly about stuff

You should see Llamafluff

[Mulch]

his seems a bit feigned in it's aggressiveness

This is the wolfiest thing I saw

[implosion]

Spoiler: Some questions/accusations for Chara

I should have chosen scum and get everyone surprised but yeah :<

me too.

Are you particularly known for preferring town over scum/playing better as town than as scum, particularly compared to your teammates? Because I'm not aware of any such reputation. If so, can anyone corroborate? If not, then why would you choosing scum surprise anyone?

Would also lynch chara

one of Transcend's off games or scum.

I'm very skeptical of this post. Your iso up to this point looks entirely neutral to me and I cannot imagine what Transcend is supposed to be townreading you off of at this point, if I'm reading this correctly that you think he should be townreading you or at least not-scumreading you based on those posts. Do you think you committed any significant tells in your few posts up to the point where you made this one? What in those posts should have prevented Transcend from calling you scum?

I'm pretty confident that this is town-Transcend, and I have a not-bad track record of reading him iirc.

i'm looking to be proven wrong on this point. talk to me about this.

why'd you choose a normal game before roles went out?

Kagami: could you take a stab at convincing me why Transcend isn't scum?

This trajectory on Transcend feels very significantly off to me as well. It feels like you're looking for dialogue on Transcend for the sake of looking like you're thinking about your read. Do you actually think you're going to be swayed by Kagami or my arguments? This seems very inconsistent with how you said you were going to permatunnel Transcend. Like, the move in general coincedentally reminds me really strongly of another thing that Transcend did in that game I linked that I thought was sketchy. He, early on in the game, said he was going to be approaching the game differently than usual, then started a teamhunting based approach. It felt... vapid. And this feels similarly like a way for you to reframe the game as scum so you have something to do (i.e., tunnel transcend and focus on talking to people about transcend). That said, you are giving other reads, but they seem somewhat few and far between/a lot of them are popular opinion. Although I do somewhat like the firebringer read but not strongly.

Is there a particular reason you're so focused on sorting him in particular? Are you mainly trying to look for reasons to townread him, or are you trying to convince people like Kagami and I that we're wrong? It all just feels off.

[Toranaga]

831-832 from cabd is the kind of thread detachement and talking to no one about anything important that's very likely to be scum.

[Cheetory6]

Feels also probable that he could be detached town given general circumstances?

[Toranaga]

Feels also probable that he could be detached town given general circumstances?

what circumstances?

[Cheetory6]

That he doesn't feel familiar with most of the playerlist, sounded like he didn't really want to play in the first place all that much, the RC replace-out and he feels that Mulch is trying to policy lynch him?

[Firebringer]

@KMD on ur question:
I have given idk u say five I say like three because some of my reads weren’t meant to be taken seriously, like my original read on Spiffeh was joke but now I scum read him because I feel he is buddying cheetory and his misrep on me, not to mention bad votes. I think one of worst posts was on you about ur approach to teammates.

If u want my thoughts on players it’s that mulch has been very townie with his engagement and very honest thoughts, I don’t feel like he is hiding anything from us and would be shocked if he could do this as scum.

Torang which I am butchering is town with his interaction between mulch and a lot of little things, I’d say I was concerned slightly with his friendly approach to some players like chara but I think that’s not scummy but simply friendly interaction

Chars....ugh gave me townread for just asking read on me. I feel like weak town but idk. I think chars would scumread me here but that response didn’t seem inherently fake. Like I could see Town them making it.

Cheetory is my buddy. Town but seriously yeah I think he is just being a try hard too soon this game and was in bad mood which I thought could be role related reasons or team, and I actually was just feeling weird about his avatar in general too with some comments that I was over analyzing.

Transcend just gut reads town, idk

Cabd is strange because there’s a vibe to his posts like he is overexplaining as others said but it’s also just like not real is only words I can bring to my mouth. I don’t know it def doesn’t feel natural in most of his posts. I am less sure of him then spiff right now but Cabd is weird and I could see Spiffeh bussing Cabd with his post the way it was.

Also I have weak townread on u. And it’s mostly because I think if u were scum u wouldn’t have voted me the way u did and I felt like I could get a peak in ur mind a bit in our “awkward” converstion

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Toranaga]

That he doesn't feel familiar with most of the playerlist, sounded like he didn't really want to play in the first place all that much, the RC replace-out and he feels that Mulch is trying to policy lynch him?

I disagree. I think an 11 poster asking kagami, who has 14 posts themselves, to discuss a read on mulch, who I think had no votes at that point and isn't getting lynched this gameday - while cabd himself is universally scumread himself - is unnatural. detached is fine, but this kind of detachment where the player is asking things that don't matter and town!nobody cares like a 14 poster's read on a 200 poster, is fake work and requires killing.

[Cabd]

who I think had no votes at that point and isn't getting lynched this gameday

Kagami is literally voting Mulch. Look at the VC. I'm engaging kagami on their specific scumread.

[Cabd]

Like I get you want to scumread me and all that jazz but come on.

[Cheetory6]

Except there's additional context of him knowing Kagami and respecting them as a player, something he's expressed already.

Does it not make sense for on him to want to condense with someone he knows well on a read that he's differing with them on?

I'm not even really saying it's particularly unlikely that he couldn't be scum doing this, but you're pitching this in a pretty warped way.

[Cabd]

1 Mulch (Kagami)

You fail being a good support main, situational awareness is important.

[Toranaga]

cabd: I don't wanna scumread you. why do you care is kagami is scumreading mulch? why don't you care about people pushing you? is it all NAI? doesn't it concern you that scum might be hiding behind meme policy bs reasons to push for your lynch? I don't see you suspecting them. you're focused on your mulch townread instead. it's scummy.

[Kmd4390]

Firebringer, I was counting mulch, Tora, spiff, cheet, and cabd I think. Or maybe transcend was one of them. Either way I counted five. That post was exactly what I was looking for though.

Unvote, Vote unabomb

My team might end up not liking this but he's my strongest scum read and no one has convinced me I'm wrong.

Tora, I'm townreading you but yeah that was bad logic on cabd.

[Toranaga]

Except there's additional context of him knowing Kagami and respecting them as a player, something he's expressed already.

Does it not make sense for on him to want to condense with someone he knows well on a read that he's differing with them on?

I'm not even really saying it's particularly unlikely that he couldn't be scum doing this, but you're pitching this in a pretty warped way.

I failed at explaining my read to you in a way you'd understand, but read my last post because it answers your questions too.

[Firebringer]

People should vote Spiffeh.


Transcend wagon isn’t a real wagon it’s fiction like global warmig

[Cabd]

I really don't care about people scumreading me.

I'm not gonna get lynched.

I care more about townblocking. See "For Us" or "Maplewood"

[Firebringer]

I really don't care about people scumreading me.

I'm not gonna get lynched.

I care more about townblocking. See "For Us" or "Maplewood"

Well ur “townblock” has scum in it sooooooo

[Toranaga]

I really don't care about people scumreading me.

I'm not gonna get lynched.

I care more about townblocking. See "For Us" or "Maplewood"

what's your townblock? is it just mulch?

[Cabd]

I really don't care about people scumreading me.

I'm not gonna get lynched.

I care more about townblocking. See "For Us" or "Maplewood"

Well ur “townblock” has scum in it sooooooo

Whodat

[Firebringer]

I really don't care about people scumreading me.

I'm not gonna get lynched.

I care more about townblocking. See "For Us" or "Maplewood"

Well ur “townblock” has scum in it sooooooo

Whodat

Spiffeh and u

[Firebringer]

Why people townreading implosion?