Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[Goatrevolt]

Wow, yeah. Black left themselves completely open to Ng5. I don't see any flaws to that move, and there are a lot of opportunities to gain piece advantage depending on how black plays from here on out.

The other option is Rhe1, which I think looks worse for a couple of reasons. One is that it doesn't make immediate threats that need to be answered, like Ng5 does, and the 2nd is that the rook actually is somewhat strong in its current position (fxg3, hxg3 and the rook is staring directly at Black's king).

Move Ng5

[veerus]

Ng5 doesn't lead anywhere except a very quick draw. We would probably have more options with Rhe1.

[Goatrevolt]

Ng5 doesn't lead anywhere except a very quick draw. We would probably have more options with Rhe1.

There is a lot of attacking chances with that move. I don't see anything resembling a quick draw.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

There are several lines that lead to a draw, Ng5 is by no means a sure thing.

But it's not bad and if I can't think of a reason not to I'll move in the next 48 hours.

[Abstract Actuary]

I like Ng5. I'll bold the move tomorrow if no one finds anything damning about it.

[Mastin]

NG5-Pawn H6?

Or
NG5-RE6
NE6-Q Somethingoranother.

I see short-term, seeing that the first puts the knight in danger and achieves nothing. Show me how this is not true, please.

[Goatrevolt]

NG5-Pawn H6?

Or
NG5-RE6
NE6-Q Somethingoranother.

I see short-term, seeing that the first puts the knight in danger and achieves nothing. Show me how this is not true, please.

We have a pretty damn good counter to both of those moves, although I'm hesitant to point it out as of now.

[Mastin]

If you say so. I'm still not seeing anything that makes the move that worth it.

[veerus]

Goat, and everyone else on the Ng5 wagon. What do you think is the best reply by black is. If you find it, then you've found the draw-ish resolution (or at least anti-climatic given how good Ng5 seems at first). I'm reluctant to post it as it is a great reply, in my opinion, and I'd rather not give it away if black doesn't see it.

[EmpTyger]

I'm not seeing anything that looks like "a very quick draw".

I'm also not seeing veerus or Mastin advocating an alternative move to Ng5 despite their opposition.

[Indigo Heron]

I like our chances with Ng5. I'll most probably vote for it tomorrow after thinking through.

[Goatrevolt]

Goat, and everyone else on the Ng5 wagon. What do you think is the best reply by black is. If you find it, then you've found the draw-ish resolution (or at least anti-climatic given how good Ng5 seems at first). I'm reluctant to post it as it is a great reply, in my opinion, and I'd rather not give it away if black doesn't see it.

I'm pretty sure I know what move you're talking about. I think that move gives black a fairly equal position. I wouldn't necessarily call it a definite draw, though. I also would suggest you don't point it out.

I also think that if we play something like Rhe1, we'll end up seeing a very similar position anyway. No?

Veerus, what is your alternative move to Ng5?

Even though I (think I) see the move veerus is talking about regarding Ng5, I still think it is the best play, simply because I'm not seeing an alternative play that is stronger, and if black doesn't play it correctly, then we will likely win from Ng5.

[Mastin]

I am not opposed to NG5. I simply do not see how it benefits us. Nor did I see how moving our rook was an advantage. Like I said. Short-term, I'm a good chess player. But I don't think four moves in advance.

[Abstract Actuary]

I also have a move in mind that neutralizes Ng5 pretty well, but I still think that is our best prospective position from here. I also think there is a chance Black won't find that move, which leads me to strongly favor Ng5 and strongly favor no one pointing out any good moves for Black.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

move: Ng5

[veerus]

I'm leaning towards Rhe1. It allows us to double up our rooks and still leaves Ne5 as an option to force a trade or severely restrict black's bishop's influence. It also neutralizes "THE move" and, if black trades rooks, lets us plant another rook on e6 without an immediate way for black to get rid of it. And if black goes with fxg3, we can always bring the rook back to h1 for a crushing attack.

[Abstract Actuary]

Move: Ng5

[EmpTyger]

Move: Ng5

(move-1)

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Mastin:
Firstly, everything you've said today has been about how bad Ng5 is. That sounds like you're opposed to Ng5. But yet, despite how you feel about Ng5- you're not suggesting any move that you feel would be better. If you think Ng5 is bad and doesn't benefit us in the short-term, then why aren't you suggesting something which you think is good, which you think does benefit us in the short-term?

[ah2190]

Well, this game is getting heated up, and, if I can, I would hapelly replace anyone who needs replacing.
But, this is one of the longest games of Mafia so far!

[ah2190]

EBWOP: I just got a reply to the PM I sent, and will be joining in for real shortly!

[Goatrevolt]

Dear Diary,

It's day 24 and still nobody is dead yet. We haven't lynched anyone, and the mafia still aren't killing. I don't know how long I can hold out. The suspicion is getting to me and we're still playing the same damn game of chess we've been playing since day 1. Where is the damn chess clock? Why isn't the game over yet!

We're running low on rations. I can't imagine what we'll do when the food is gone. We'll have to eat... *shudders* I think I know what will happen and, it makes me want to throw up. We need to end this before it gets to that point. I wish I knew how to speed it up. How do we speed it up?! How do we end the game?!

The only thing I can think of is chess positions. Variations. Lines. Captures, forks, pins, discovered check. It plays through my mind over and over again. Ng5! No, Rhe1! NO! I think I'm going insane. No. I know I'm going insane. I need help.

Yours truly,

G. Revolt

P.S. Welcome to the game AH!

[ah2190]

Well, the reason why the Mafia are not killing is because they can't unless someone is lynched.

And remember, we only have a week for each move. So, that makes the game quicker.

But, I'm not QUITE yet fully in the game - I still don't know which side I'm on.

Mod - votecount please!

[MafiaSSK]

Move Count

Ng5 (4)-Goatrevolt,The Central Scruitnizer,Abstract Actuary,EmpTyger

[ah2190]

Thanks. But, ATM, I am still waiting for that role PM... Unless you added it to the reply, that is.

And, if I may, when I'm in properly I'll

hammer move: Ng5

, seeing as there doesn't seem to be any other good moves out there.

[ah2190]

EBWOP: just got it after I posted!