@Thor
– we can play this back and forth game as much as you want. I find myself agreeing with Locke who stated it isn’t productive to continue until you have caught up.
In summary – I don’t find your stated reasons for your reads on Locke and DTM very credible in light of your statements made at catch-up. Furthermore that you didn’t voice any direct suspicion of DGB despite later stating you found him suspicious. Lastly your dismissive and hostile attitude doesn’t strike me as indicative of Town Thor I have seen previously. Furthermore given your experience with Chesskid in Return To Liten, where he read 5 pages and quit, should have been direct warning of how mis-informed limited reads can be.
That said –
Thor wrote:I expect MoI to be more townie then his weak attacks on me have been.
Hello double standards. Didn’t you just claim my thought that I expected TS to be a stronger Town force as Lannister aligned wasn’t compelling?
Thor wrote:I personally think my scum meta speaks for itself in this regard.
Being aware of your scum ‘meta’ means any attempt to use it to show why you aren’t scum is useless.
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Short Summarized Version of my Twilight Sparkle suspicion
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My suspicion begins with the Shadow vote. It appeared as a simple early bandwagon vote but when questioned on it TS attempts to justify it by saying that inexperienced scum tend to be argumentative and aggrevating on purpose. That explanation doesn’t make sense and the justification is defense beyond what was necessary at that juncture.
Soon after the vote Shadow completely disappears form TS’s ISO. No follow-up questioning of anything Shadow says or any other sorts of interactions.
TS expressed some concern that myself, DGB and dana are all scummy in ISO 7 but doesn’t move to vote any of those players while letting the vote languish on Shadow.
ISO 13 further questions DGB about mis-repping something GreyICE said. Again, no vote.
ISO 16 – the vote finally comes of Shadow with the explanation that Shadow ‘picked up Town points’. In the same post she votes Thor (then ASOIAF) for the following reason.
Twilight wrote:You don't know what a VI means, so what exactly did you like about the posts of someone most just recommending we policy lynch them? Rav points this out in 209; I am similarly confused.
The post in question by ASOIAF was on page 9. By this point Benmage has at least 20 posts and they certainly don’t all revolve around policy lynching. It’s a misrepresentation to say that ASOIAF liking Benmage’s multiple posts means she must support policy lynches on VIs and not knowing what one is means she’s contradictory.
Again, a bad justification to move a vote. Especially since, as had already been said, the post in question you could certainly attack for being very agreeable / non-confrontational which can be expected from newer players as scum.
I very much dislike the Sotty-head’s questioning of my Benmage raise. It feels very much like probing / nitpicking looking for any justification for suspicion. Furthermore the back-peddling done when I questioned why she didn’t actually read the links provided before stating her opinion doesn’t reflect well on the whole line of questioning, IMO.
I’m not overly impressed with the ISO spectacular catch-up posts – there is lots of careful positioning language in those posts (example – Locke is pretty much confirmed Town but could be a Serial Killer) that I see as high level and well disguised fence-sitting. I also find the “MoI is the Anti-Spyrex” explanation that hito finds my playstyle inherently scummy as a possible way for the hydra to move off the suspicion that Sotty and Mina have indicated.
TL : DR
– I’m happy with my vote.
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Zdenek wrote:MoI, since Zoraster's flip, what are your opinions of Nexus and Dana?
Hasn’t changed. The potential for playing for Town ‘cred’ by questioning a Non-Mafia popular wagon before the flip still stands. It simply didn’t work out, if it was the intention, since Zoraster ended up being a 3rd Party.
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I second the suspicion regarding
DGB
revolving around post 1034. That doesn’t seem like a logical chain of thought to have labelled Locke as a good scum candidate after the Zoraster flip and simply back off it when questioned about it.
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Bunnylover wrote:Yeah, if I bold certain parts that someone said, I can make it into a scummy thing. If a person had said "I am" in an ass long paragraph and also used the word "scum" later in it, if I bold them do I get points for catching a slip? No. because I excluded everything before, after, and in between those words and I'm not reading the context.
Magua didn’t do that. He pointed out two complete sentances that were contradictory in your statements. Just because the whole sentances are separated in your statement doesn’t mean that they can’t contradict each other.
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Nexus wrote:Why don't you answer my question first? Something to hide?
I also said earlier I didn't do town lists. I'll indulge you this once.
Hascow
Myself
Leaning towards Locke and DGB as well.
You're up there too.
While we are on the subject of Cognitive Dissonance I give you’re the bolded.
The first sentence clearly infers that Nexus has reason to be suspicious of Ben. Yet the second outright states he’s near the top of Nexus’es Town list.
Additionally as a whole this post reads as buddying very similar to what diddin was doing with me earlier, with just a touch of undermining at the beginning.
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Raivann wrote:Can cow daykill again?
What Pro-Town reason do you have for asking, other than to make sure you aren’t on the chopping block? Keeping the possibility of further shots obscure helps Town as it withholds information from scum.
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danakillsu wrote:Uh oh. Somebody either got overexcited or scumslipped. Last game, when I was scum, WE DIDN'T HAVE DAYTALK. I'm pretty sure everybody could have known that. Do you have reason to believe any different for this game, Benmage?
Yes, I agree that there was some overexcited reaching going on, but it was here not in Benmage’s post.
Benmage was clearly showing Thor’s play from ANOTHER GAME where scum had Daytalk. No attempt at all was made to say that I exists here.
Why attempt to characterize that post as a scum slip?
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.