Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[GreyICE]

Unvote

The irritating thing has a point.

[Amrun]

Wow, that's the biggest stretch I've ever seen. So he linked a post of of ToonFighter's (supposedly, I see no links) that he LIKED and that means his late suspicion of Toon is legit? What?

What am I missing here?

[mastin2]

Additional counter, from that same post.

The second of Mastin's RVS wagon votes to appear even more serious is Phoebus', which at the time had zero explination. Something zMuffin unshockingly picks right up on before Mr. Hall Monitor can come in with his reason. Phoebus doesn't seem like a very active poster, but his meta-historic reason to back his vote seems not only contrived, but a strong attempt to sway the town by way of calling out Mastin's overall merit.

Heavy Phoebus suspicion. That, alone, would counter any theoretical lack of Toon suspicion, which I just showed you he did have a mention of. He rightfully called scum on my wagon.

And We come to ISO 4. Chk was still catching up in this post, and makes an effectively early mention of Toon, in comparison. Since his other posts?

ISO Zero: catching up.
ISO One: Sight-reads; promise to read properly.
ISO Two: catching up and delivering solid content.
ISO Three: responding to content on current page. Still catching up.
ISO Four: still catching up and names Toon as scum (with Tomie).

That's not a late mention of Toon.
That's an INCREDIBLY EARLY mention of Toon.

The wagon on him's got it backwards. His mention of Toon wasn't late. It was EARLY. Meaning it's not evidence he's scum. It's strong evidence he's TOWN.

[Amrun]

But the post you quoted seems to be praising the people on the RVS wagon. I may be misunderstanding, but that's what it seems like to me.

[GreyICE]

Vote: David Xanatos

Case:

VOTE: Edmund

Nice trap from chkflip.. Mastin's reads (excluding myself) have some merit. I'm looking forward to his next set actually.. 'tis interesting to see his thought process, verbose though he is..

VOTE: Chkflip for giggles.

[mastin2]

I love it when a good RVS wagon comes together. *lights cigar*

I'm a fan of the "second vote of an RVS wagon" scumtell and believe there to be at least one scum between edmund and Tomie because of it.

The second of Mastin's RVS wagon votes to appear even more serious is Phoebus', which at the time had zero explination. Something zMuffin unshockingly picks right up on before Mr. Hall Monitor can come in with his reason. Phoebus doesn't seem like a very active poster, but his meta-historic reason to back his vote seems not only contrived, but a strong attempt to sway the town by way of calling out Mastin's overall merit.

Relevant pieces.

[mastin2]

Unvote, VOTE: David Xanatos

. Now we're talkin'.

[Amrun]

Chkflip: What was your read on mastin at the time of post 265? What about now?

[mastin2]

Right now? Presumably, town, though he hasn't said so for a while. As for at the time of the post?

Mastin, on the other hand, used a lot of IIoA with those early lists by way of throwing a lot of town reads out there without much base. Don't really see scum doing that, however, so I've got a townread on that slot overall.

His post strongly implied back then that this read was strengthened.

[Amrun]

I'm not convinced that this means much of anything - though it does perhaps weaken the one point made against him.

I'd like to see what chkflip says.

[CSL]

Mastin always has to disagree with everything but one person...

Unvote; Vote: David

[David Xanatos]

Come at me. Let's see Mastin get it all wrong again! :3

BRING IT ON!

[sorgster]

When TF and hiplop wagons were big in day one, mastin told everyone that they are both town and he refuses to vote either. His earliest reads were strange. Now he starts a deflection away from chkflip onto Xanatos. This could have been an attempt to save tf(who was likelier to die) and win townpoints by not voting hiplop as well. I'm not jumping onto his bandwagon on David Xanatos.

Unvote
Vote Chkflip

[Zdenek]

Toon Fighter ( 11 ) - zMuffinMan, chkflip, Empking, edmund.angles, warriormode, hiplop, David Xanatos, HezLucky, sorgster, Bowser, vezokpiraka

Maxous ( 10 ) - GreyICE, Zdenek, warriormode, malpascp, HezLucky, CSL, Empking, sorgster, David Xanatos, GreyICE (vezok if not for the double vote)


chkflip ( 7 ) - edmund.angles, GreyICE, David Xanatos/Pine, Amrun/PR, Hez, CSL, Vezokpiraka, honorary - Sorgster.

Mastin, look at these wagons and tell me again why we shouldn't be voting chkflip.

[mastin2]

Hey, Amrun.
You know you're acting like classic scum, right?

Bandwagoning, fencesitting, weasel wording that leaves a back door open to get out if need be...

When TF and hiplop wagons were big in day one, mastin told everyone that they are both town and he refuses to vote either.

And hiplop flipped...oh, yeah. Town. You're not helping your point by including someone I was RIGHT about as an argument AGAINST me being RIGHT again.

Now he starts a deflection away from chkflip onto Xanatos.

Right. A deflection onto Xanatos. Who I've been trying to lynch since the dawn of Day Two. I deflected from Maxous (flipped town) onto Edmund/David on Day Two. Totally scum motivated, right? Oh, and GreyICE must be scum too, right? He deflected away from chkflip onto Xanatos as well! Definitely scum!

Yeah.

Toon Fighter ( 11 ) - zMuffinMan, chkflip, Empking, edmund.angles, warriormode, hiplop, David Xanatos, HezLucky, sorgster, Bowser, vezokpiraka

Oh, look! chkflip is the second voter on the Scum Lynch! He's totally bussing scum!

Maxous ( 10 ) - GreyICE, Zdenek, warriormode, malpascp, HezLucky, CSL, Empking, sorgster, David Xanatos, GreyICE (vezok if not for the double vote)

Oh, look! chk is NOT on the MISLYNCH of Maxous! Totally makes him scum!

chkflip ( 7 ) - edmund.angles,

GreyICE

, David Xanatos/Pine, Amrun/PR, Hez,

CSL

, Vezokpiraka, sorgster, zdenek

Oh, look. Currently only one strong town-read of mine (Hez) on the chk wagon. Plus three scumreads. Totally town-driven wagon!

Yeah, Zdenek. In trying to convince me chkflip is a good wagon...you showed the opposite, and demonstrated exactly why he SHOULDN'T be lynched.


Let's not forget these key facts as well.
-Chk's wagon formed literally overnight. It's a quickwagon. Quickwagons are almost NEVER on scum.
-David Xanatos's wagon and Edmund's wagon have both slowly gained momentum over time, yet have had quickwagons (Maxous, and now chkflip) distract off of them. This is a STRONG indicator that they're scum, since short of a cop guilty, it's ALWAYS harder to lynch scum than it is town.


You guys ignored my ranting on Maxous, and look where it landed you. A mislynch, which I predicted perfectly, since I knew I was right on him.

Listen to me on chk.

chkflip. Is. A. Mislynch.

[sorgster]

I wasn't saying you were scum mastin. Just some of your reads have been pretty off.

Unvote

I didn't realize chkflip was the second to jump onto the tf wagon.

[sorgster]

Ebwop: Being the fourth to vote on an 11 person wagon, doesn't make edmund suspicious imo.

[Zdenek]

Mastin, who are the scum on the wagons?

[Neruz]

chkflip (

5

) -

edmund.angles, David Xanatos, Amrun, hezlucky, vezokpiraka

David Xanatos ( 3 ) -

GreyICE, mastin2, CSL

edmund.angles ( 1 ) -

chkflip

zMuffinMan ( 1 ) -

Zdenek, sorgster

pappums rat ( 1 ) -

zMuffinMan

8 votes to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2011-09-14 08:00:00)

CSL has been poked. I get the vague feeling he told me he was on V\LA.

[Amrun]

Hey mastin, want to make real statements instead of vague comments?

I was pretty open about my level of commitment to this game (pretty low). I haven't read the game yet, so I'm just taking things as they come and going with the flow. I'll get my bearings. I'm already starting to.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Mastin

I can't take this anymore

[CSL]

-sigh-

This is getting to be a nuisance.

[HezLucky]

Vote: Mastin

I can't take this anymore

u scum?

u play like scum...

u mad?

u jelly?

[chkflip]

Chkflip: What was your read on mastin at the time of post 265? What about now?

Not going to lie, Mastin is getting really hard to read for me. Overall, however, I think he's town. I don't think scum would be so verbose and blatant tbh. What's your read on him?

Still trying to catch up, sorry guys. Start of college has been whoopin' that ass. Journalism major is a beast. I'm pretty close, though, and I'll have plenty to say very soon.

[edmund.angles]

I prefer a chkflip lynch, but I'll still lynch David too (and mastin).

@sorgster and mastin:
Why is the second vote on a scum wagon unlikely to be bussing?