Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)


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Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:47 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:Xtoxm, why do you think i am town here?
I think you are acting in a pro-town way.
thats pathetic. I want actual reasons. You aren't a drone. Show some flare.
Yeh, it kinda was lol...

Well...I find it hard to explain this stuff sometimes...

You are posting a hell of a lot, and making a lot of contirbtions, making sure other people contribute, and I think you're doing it in a pro-town way.
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Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:49 pm

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And RC is not dead yet... why?
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Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:17 pm

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Peers wrote:And RC is not dead yet... why?
I don't see why it's being dragged out either.
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Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:30 pm

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Hmm...Just thought of an interesting question.

I had assumed delayed CR means that they can't recruit on N0, or maybe for a few nights to start...

Is it possible/more likely to mean the recruit goes the the night after it's submitted?
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Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:38 pm

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...Didn't this same thing happen yesterday? And didn't much good come of it? So why question it now? Honestly, staying in the day phase is a GOOD thing people. Peers's constant need for night is really starting to look bad. It could mean a couple of different things, but I'm leaning more towards the Scum side for him.

If any other short day advocates wish to know why we're delaying, just look at the previous day. Also, and this is very important as well, we're not all sold on Rosso Scum.

I, personally, am undecided on his claim. I'm leaning more towards Town for him, kind of because of the obvious question, "Why would Scum act so stupidly with the Claim?" Of course, that leads into WIFOM. But his response to his wagon I felt was good. What I don't like is the fact that I told him to participate more and he has yet to do so. I can't imagine him surviving much longer without explaining himself and helping in the Hunting aspect of this game, but for now I'm happy letting him be. We have plenty of time left in this day, plenty of unheard voices and such. Lets delay as long as possible, the best thing we can do right now is keep discussion going.
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Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:39 pm

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I am generally against dragging out a day once a lynched has been decided...I don't think it's helpful...

What good came of it yesterday?
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Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:40 pm

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You got a claim out of me...And somehting out of Lloyd...I think that dragging a day out after a lynch is decided is more helpful to scum, personally.
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Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:19 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:You got a claim out of me...And somehting out of Lloyd...I think that dragging a day out after a lynch is decided is more helpful to scum, personally.
Xtomx is correct.
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Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:50 pm

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Toaster Strudel wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:You got a claim out of me...And somehting out of Lloyd...I think that dragging a day out after a lynch is decided is more helpful to scum, personally.
Xtomx is correct.
Maybe Xtomx is. But i really dont give a crap. Xtoxm, the guy playing this game, is most certainly not correct. The more we get out of a day, the better for town. The longer each day is, and the more time scum has to try and fit in, the more difficult they will find it. I know this from experience-the longer the game goes on, the more impatient scum will get. And we'll catch them. :)

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Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:51 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:Hmm...Just thought of an interesting question.

I had assumed delayed CR means that they can't recruit on N0, or maybe for a few nights to start...

Is it possible/more likely to mean the recruit goes the the night after it's submitted?
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Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:57 pm

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Imat wrote: I, personally, am undecided on his claim. I'm leaning more towards Town for him, kind of because of the obvious question, "Why would Scum act so stupidly with the Claim?"
Gee. Didnt TSPN say the exact same thing a page ago? :roll:

Imat wrote: But his response to his wagon I felt was good.
really?? please show me.

If Rosso comes up town, we have plenty of distancers to look at tomorrow.

Vote: Rosso


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Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:41 pm

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when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.
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Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:37 am

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Rosso Carne wrote:when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.
even though if you are town, i am confirmed town?

You really are stupid aren't you... >.>

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Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:04 am

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Well crap, the new jobs been draining me. Here I am.
Battle Mage wrote:
Rosso Carne wrote:when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.
even though if you are town, i am confirmed town?

You really are stupid aren't you... >.>

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Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:23 am

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VanDamien wrote:Well crap, the new jobs been draining me. Here I am.
Battle Mage wrote:
Rosso Carne wrote:when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.
even though if you are town, i am confirmed town?

You really are stupid aren't you... >.>

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It would add weight to his miller claim, though there would still be a chance that he wqas recruited into cult night 0
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Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:57 am

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curiouskarmadog wrote:I guess he does have a point, cult or scum, who was trying to set up BM, would know once BM turned up Miller (or not cult) that his lie would be exposed, the next day he would surely hang. Now I can see this as an end game play, but I doubt we are at end game. This could a lyncher gambit (been fooled by lynchers twice now), again, it is a sad one....RC is just useless in general right now, but does he deserve to hang? This could also be a scum gambit between RC and BM...but that too seems far fetched especially with its execution...I need to think about this somemore and reread....it is not just RC's BM claim that bothers me..it is whole claim in general that seems made up as he went along that bugs the shit out of me....
Well tomorrow he has the "well he was a miller... I didn't know he'd turn up guilty for everything" thing.

And yes, it does seem as though he made it up as he went along. And people that just make claims and night actions up as they go along are rarely town.
TSPN" wrote:But again, I ask you: if he's scum, why claim that? BM's response is a "shrug, who cares," who can do better?
As scum he'd have a chance at a free lynch with a lot of room for excuses afterwards... Then he can "confirm" people as "not cult" afterwards and it is likely that at worst there is 1 culted player running around, so RC could survive for some time with this claim despite the mislynch.

But as town, why claim that? Rosso would have to be:

#1: Either not paying attention or certain that a miller wouldn't mess up his investigation.

#2: Damn forgetful to completely forget he made an investigation N0. Or that he could even make one.

#3: Alphabetically challenged.

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Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:47 am

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WhoMe? wrote:
VanDamien wrote:Well crap, the new jobs been draining me. Here I am.
Battle Mage wrote:
Rosso Carne wrote:when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.
even though if you are town, i am confirmed town?

You really are stupid aren't you... >.>

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It would add weight to his miller claim, though there would still be a chance that he wqas recruited into cult night 0
yeh. So I'm either exactly who i say i am, or i'm a cult recruit, which we dont even know exists. Id say thats pretty damn near confirmed. And it would make me at worst a Survivor type role, which doesnt need to be killed any time soon anyway.

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Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:50 am

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Nemesis wrote: #3: Alphabetically challenged.
rofl :lol:
Nemesis wrote: Animorpherv1 welcome to the game, please give an opinion or say something other than "Vote RC".
i think the opinion he's given is 'Rosso is scum'. Question is, why?

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Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:24 am

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What is the vote count at.
RC if you are not dead yet why did you say you had no N0 activity then say you did? That looks scummie as hell.

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Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:27 am

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Farside, its time to hammer.

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Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:23 am

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Here's why I thought Rosso's response to the wagon on him was good: He didn't mindlessly attack another player in order to save himself. I've seen Scum do it plenty before. I felt his response of "I tried to claim, I tried to help, but people still went after me" was more Town than Scum, though I suppose thats opinion isn't it.
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Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:27 am

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Imat wrote:Here's why I thought Rosso's response to the wagon on him was good: He didn't mindlessly attack another player in order to save himself. I've seen Scum do it plenty before. I felt his response of "I tried to claim, I tried to help, but people still went after me" was more Town than Scum, though I suppose thats opinion isn't it.
I lol'd considering Rosso claimed just to try to get BM lynched.
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Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:36 am

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Alright. I think RC is town, and I think approximately 13 of you are wrong. But I'm outvoted, so moving on.

Who's our vig choice?

I like whome, dahill, matt_s, or animorph, although, to be fair, if i'm wrong about rc, those choices no longer look so good.

If rc were to come up scum, I'd say ckd would be a reasonable choice.

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Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:40 am

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TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Alright. I think RC is town, and I think approximately 13 of you are wrong. But I'm outvoted, so moving on.
Lol, appeal to majority. "I'm against this wagon, but I will distance myself from it while simultaneously giving it my consent."
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Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:40 am

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i disagree on a few counts. I think CKD is a far better Vig choice if RC comes up town than scum! Although tbh, i dont really want to see him die at this stage. Especially considering his recent series of painful deaths ;)

Whome is an ok Vig-choice. I reread Dahill today, and aside from 1 scummy post, he is on my rather short 'probably town' list. Animorph is a decent Vig choice too, but i dont see the case against Matt S.

TSPN, who would be your alternative lynch today? Whats your view of Xtoxm?

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