Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[killa seven]

Alright. I think RC is town, and I think approximately 13 of you are wrong. But I'm outvoted, so moving on.

Lol, appeal to majority. "I'm against this wagon, but I will distance myself from it while simultaneously giving it my consent."

im against the agon also.
also you lol'ing at him for not joining the wagon without providing much, is the same as u hopin on the wagon and not providing your own views.

[Xtoxm]

We shouldn't be trying to direct the vig.

Hammer plzplz.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Whome would be my first wagon choice, anyway. Xtoxm. . . had the tough break of replacing a scummy-to-VIish player, but hasn't really done anything to push me either way since.

Matt_S tripped my scumdar a little bit yesterday, and just now, I find the "rosso claimed just to get bm lynched" curious. You know that, matt? For a fact? How do you know? Also, you read the last couple pages again and tell me "I'm giving this wagon my consent." Nothing would make me happier than for people like you to unvote.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

And yes, we should be trying to direct the vig, unless you also think we shouldn't try to direct the lynch. Having a claimed vig is essentially two lynches for the town.

[killa seven]

We shouldn't be trying to direct the vig.

Hammer plzplz.

no one had a prob of directing her yesterday.. just saying.

[Xtoxm]

We shouldn't be trying to direct the vig.

Hammer plzplz.

no one had a prob of directing her yesterday.. just saying.

I made my stance against it clear yesterday also.

You probably wern't paying attention by the time I replaced.

[Matt_S]

Alright. I think RC is town, and I think approximately 13 of you are wrong. But I'm outvoted, so moving on.

Lol, appeal to majority. "I'm against this wagon, but I will distance myself from it while simultaneously giving it my consent."

im against the agon also.
also you lol'ing at him for not joining the wagon without providing much, is the same as u hopin on the wagon and not providing your own views.

You seem to have missed the part where I listed a ton of reasons why I think Rosso is scum. And the part where I called TSPN out for straddling the fence, not for being against the wagon. And the part where I accused him of quitting just because people disagreed. I think there's more I can bring up, but I'll just

FOS killa seven

for that weak defense of TSPN which seems an awful lot like a strawman.

Matt_S tripped my scumdar a little bit yesterday, and just now, I find the "rosso claimed just to get bm lynched" curious. You know that, matt? For a fact? How do you know? Also, you read the last couple pages again and tell me "I'm giving this wagon my consent." Nothing would make me happier than for people like you to unvote.

Because he claimed when he alleged to have a guilty on Battle Mage

. How can you possibly argue against that? Srsly! And how are you not giving the wagon your consent when you stop searching for an alternative?

FOS TheSweatpantsNinja

[dahill1]

i think Imat would be a good vig target if RC comes up scum

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

You're right, I should have made the more clear. Silly of me.

How do you know rosso carne (

who you believe to be a liar, as evidenced by your vote on him

), claimed for the purpose of lynching battle mage? Do you truly believe that he, and no one else in his hypothetical scumgroup, would have thought, "hmm, maybe the town won't lynch the claimed miller if we make up a guilty result?" And if you do believe that, do you really think that a one-for-one trade for scum even makes sense? Why not just nk him if you want to be rid of him and you're scum?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

There was supposed to be a sentence that read,

Unvote, vote matt_s

at the bottom of that instead of a bunch of empty space.

[Battle Mage]

i think you're overdoing that a bit TSPN....

[Matt_S]

WIFOM

Other than that, all I can say is that it ignores the possibility that Rosso is acting without consulting his partners, or that Rosso is the cult recruit.

There was supposed to be a sentence that read,

Unvote, vote matt_s

at the bottom of that instead of a bunch of empty space.

I'd OMGUS vote you, except that looks kind of like what you're doing now.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I'll concede its possible that he's the cult recruit, but that I also have no reason to believe that he's any more likely to the cult recruit we may not even have than anyone else.

As for the WIFOM defense (the fallback of poor arguments), think about what that really means.

Rosso Carne would have to have decided, as scum, to do something that was abysmally stupid as scum, knowing he'd been caught in this particular lie in the past, hoping that people would recognize the pro-town benefits of his claim while also concluding that a miller would come up guilty while not being, all the while pretending that he honestly thought a miller would come up guilty. To sum up, in order for that claim to work, the town would have to simultaneously believe his claim while also not doing anything about it.

That's a pretty complicated plan, even less likely than the current one of "he's a stupid liar."

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

And BM: Yeah, maybe. But some people on this wagon are playing like they don't get what I'm saying (or I'm wrong, which is

obviously

unlikely), and matt's latest comments have struck me as disingenuous.

[Matt_S]

So Rossoscum apparently relies on Rosso being abysmally stupid. If he's town, then he investigated the claimed miller. Tell me that's not abysmally stupid. I have no intention of further fighting the WIFOM defense of Rosso. Why? Because it's WIFOM.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

And why are abysmally stupid (or more probably, inattentive) players more likely to be scum?

[Xtoxm]

That's not what he said...You just avoided his point.

[Xtoxm]

[quote]Not Voting- 11 (andersonw, curiouskarmadog, farside22, Imat, KaleiÐoscøpe, killa seven, RossWilliam, Skitzer, thenextepisode, UnofficialRulerOfEveryone, VanDamien)[/quote]

So why are you guys opposed to this lynch?

[Imat]

Many of them are nonresponsive, I've already stated my reasons for opposing the Rosso lynch. Certainly they aren't good, glad dahill picked up on that, but they are what they are. I just don't think Rosso is as worthy of a lynch as you all seem to think. Also, I'm not fine ending the day yet. I think we have all this time to do what we want, look into who we want, that we shouldn't waste it by ending the day early. Yeah, night things will give us information, but so does discussion, and we'd be stupid not to take all the information we can get.

[armlx]

No one hammer till we discuss vig choices.

I say Whome or animorph are ok. I noticed something odd about Khev, just didn't have enough to go off to figure out exactly what it was and don't have time now to try and divine it.

[Toaster Strudel]

Any of the players not voting for that no-brainer, shooting fish in a barrel Rosso wagon is a good vig choice.

[curiouskarmadog]

No one hammer till we discuss vig choices.

I say Whome or animorph are ok. I noticed something odd about Khev, just didn't have enough to go off to figure out exactly what it was and don't have time now to try and divine it.

also dont like the way that Ani, just jumped on a bandwagon without any content.

[Toaster Strudel]

No one hammer till we discuss vig choices.

I say Whome or animorph are ok. I noticed something odd about Khev, just didn't have enough to go off to figure out exactly what it was and don't have time now to try and divine it.

also dont like the way that Ani, just jumped on a bandwagon without any content.

What??? This is like yesterday's SK lynch. It's a total no-brainer. Rosso is clearly making things up, and the things he's making up are not remotely believable. How could he NOT vote for Rosso? How could YOU not???

I'd be far more concerned with Ani he didn't vote for Rosso.

[Peers]

Why is everyone so obsessed with directing the vig? The vig can be trusted to know what he's doing. They've obviously been reading the thread so far.

[Toaster Strudel]

Why is everyone so obsessed with directing the vig? The vig can be trusted to know what he's doing. They've obviously been reading the thread so far.

QFT