Mini 763 - Carnival Mafia - Game Over

[Grimmy]

Also, if that's what happened, it also means that mafia couldn't kill last night, which means that there's also a chance that we have a doc.

I would like to gather everyones opinions on this.

Was there or was there not a night kill last night?

Grimmy
not sure if there was or not...but im STILL suspicious...

[VP Baltar]

Well, the leaving thing seems weird, but I don't think now is the time to be fishing for a protection role to come forward.

FoS Grimmy

[Kairyuu]

Everyone should go back and read Shinnen's original post on the matter. The mod commented.

[Empking]

Everyone should go back and read Shinnen's original post on the matter. The mod commented.

Does something suggest that we haven't already?

[VP Baltar]

What concerns me is that the wiki says the sibling role is typically a cop-goon link. Don't know if that is really the case here, but clearly Shanba would be the town side of that equation and if they could night talk he might have shared information that is detrimental to town.

[Empking]

I'd expect the mod woiuld've mentioned the copness of Shanba in that case.

[VP Baltar]

Why?

Also, who do you think the scum is Emp?

[Empking]

Why?

Also, who do you think the scum is Emp?

Nocmen with an unknown scum partner.

[VP Baltar]

Are you basing that suspicion of Nocmen on his alleged "slip" on D1, because if so I suggest you read what he really meant again.

If that's not what you are basing it on, please elaborate.

[Kairyuu]

@Empking: Yes. The fact that you are debating the whole 'possible doc protect' scenario tells me that people didn't read the mod's comment. If there was another sibling dead then they would have been revealed as such in addition to any other role they had.

That comment was mostly directed towards Grimmy though.

[Grimmy]

Also, if that's what happened, it also means that mafia couldn't kill last night, which means that there's also a chance that we have a doc.

I would like to gather everyones opinions on this.

Was there or was there not a night kill last night?

Grimmy
not sure if there was or not...but im STILL suspicious...

let me clarify

do we think that the death is related to a night kill or it is related to a prior death.

I want to know if people think that the sibling died because of a NK, or if the sibling died because its partner( siblling) died previously.

I have my suspicions about last nights actions and it is not a fish for role claims.

which is why I asked for the opinions.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

to support the sibling link a bit, I was in the rat race mafia game where I was a sibling with Wall_E and I was the serial killer half of the pairing.

Grimmy

[VP Baltar]

Well in terms of opinions, I think it is possible that there wasn't a night kill last night and DDD could have been the sibling (ie, Shanba possibly was an odd day Jester), but I really have nothing of substance to back up such an idea.

[Empking]

Well in terms of opinions, I think it is possible that there wasn't a night kill last night and DDD could have been the sibling (ie, Shanba possibly was an odd day Jester), but I really have nothing of substance to back up such an idea.

We would've lynched day one if that was the case.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Anyway, notice how WLC did his disappearing act again yesterday, only to appear after the lynch and try to look town?

Vote: WLC

WTF, two posts in, and I'm already at two votes? Granted, you unvoted, but the intention is clear. Honestly, I thought DDD was at L-1, and was frustrated because everyone focused so much on DDD.

[VP Baltar]

You mean that you were in agreement with me yesterday that people should have been ignoring him?

[quote="Empking"]
We would've lynched day one if that was the case. [/quote
We did lynch day one.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Finally, we are not in lylo as far as I know (assuming 3 person scumgroup), so if the scum come in and quicklynch WLC (assuming he is not scum) then they will be revealing themselves just to get lynched D4 and D5. Plus, if you think he's scum then why would you hesitate?

That's an awfully simplified version of the situation. It pretends neither you or VP Baltar are scum, and the actual scum would be so stupid to actually lynch me with a 3rd and 4th vote.

[WeyounsLastClone]

You mean that you were in agreement with me yesterday that people should have been ignoring him?

Yes. I didn't want to bring up the Jester-thing because it derails a game, and you can't be sure of anything anymore. That's why I didn't really like the interaction between you and DDD. But I agreed with you on the ignoring part.

[VP Baltar]

Then why didn't you speak up! Nobody was listening to me and clearly I was correct. What I don't understand is why so many people were thinking he was a jester and still decided his lynch was a good idea.

[Empking]

Jester lynch is good.

[SilverPhoenix]

The Tenth Votecount

Kairyuu ~ 0
Grimmy ~ 0
Nocmen ~ 1

(Empking)

Empking ~ 0
Shinnen_no_Me ~ 0
VP Baltar ~ 0
WeyounsLastClone ~ 2

(VP Baltar, Kairyuu)

Not Voting ~

(Grimmy, WeyounsLastClone, Shinnen_no_Me, Nocmen)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

I added a Game-Specific Rule. It is basically the answer to Shin's question I already posted.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Jester lynch is good.

Why why why? Basically first place is gone now, and we're only fighting for a second place now. Also the Jester is not part of the scumgroup, with a Jester-lynch, it gives scum another night to kill. I really don't understand why you're requoting yourself.

[Empking]

Jester lynch is good.

Why why why? Basically first place is gone now, and we're only fighting for a second place now.

Not true.

Also the Jester is not part of the scumgroup, with a Jester-lynch, it gives scum another night to kill.

A jester is an anti-town role.

I really don't understand why you're requoting yourself.

To help VPB's understanding.

[VP Baltar]

Emp, I understand that you are incapable of expressing your point. And you are the one who is incorrect about the Jester. DDD won the game.

If a Jester is lynched before any other faction has won, the game will usually continue to determine second place.

[Kairyuu]

@everyone on the Jester thing: Generally, a mod will consider the Jester winning to be a separate thing than the town/scum winning, meaning that while DDD has won, either remaining faction still has the ability to be declared the 'winner.' If it were not so then it would really be a disincentive towards continuing. I dunno about you guys, but given a choice between joining a new game and competing for second place I would join a new one.

Now quit complaining about D2 and move on already.

@people still on this "Shanba may have been an odd day Jester": Did I not say to read Shinnen's post and the mod's comment?

SP said that the full role name would be revealed on death. Since Shanba came up as "Sibling" instead of "Odd Day Jester" and DDD came up as "Odd Day Jester" and not "Odd Day Jester/Sibling" it is obvious that this connection

does not exist

.