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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WTF. HOW FUCKING DARE THEY

This is a scumtell

Considering how close and personal they are?

No, because it is an overdramatized reaction.

“NOOOOOOO WTF, HOW FUCKING SCUM DARE TO KILL A TOWNIE TO FULFILL THEIR WINCON”.

Like it sucks, but we know the masons and the roleblocker would be watched/tracked/protected, so obviously scum would attempt to kill outside those claims. We expected it, so if Noraa was town, she wouldnt have dramatized her reaction like that to look like town.

Scum tell through and through

I can see this.

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DGB needs to claim who they blocked.

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It blocked**

My bad sorry

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I believe it was a fruit vendor. I wonder if scum were worried about a protective, as the protective was supposed to claim VT.

Flea refused to claim. Those assholes(I mean this in the nicest way possible but FUCK YALL for killing the amazing sammich muncher Flea) probably thought she was the protective or something.

Flea claimed actually.

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It’s why I told him EoD to visit Vax.

This means that if Vax isn’t PGO scum have to kill Vax.

And if Vax is PGO then Flea confirms it. Vax says how the gift is represented and confirms Flea visited. Thus confirming PGO. (Could still be scum possibly but then at least confirmed PGO)

The fact a second kill isn’t present mean scum were likely blocked again.

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Told faer* sorry!

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Yep, I had forgotten about the whole flea targetting vax thing. I blame too many Christmas beers.

we told flea to do this?

and there's no double kill?

oh boy oh boy. Is this another caught scum?

Nope Mark is town.

Because reasons.

Keep flailing it’s cute.

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I blocked Guillotina.

Interesting indeed.

I need to talk with my mason buddy because something doesn’t add up here.

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Hmm maybe vax fakeclaimed PGO and scum decided to kill
flea to avoid outing him

Possible but that’s not what makes no sense.

There’d have to be four scum for G to be scum here.

Something doesn’t add up

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It’s why I told him EoD to visit Vax.

This means that if Vax isn’t PGO scum have to kill Vax.

And if Vax is PGO then Flea confirms it. Vax says how the gift is represented and confirms Flea visited. Thus confirming PGO. (Could still be scum possibly but then at least confirmed PGO)

The fact a second kill isn’t present mean scum were likely blocked again.

or scum killed flea.

I dunno about that either.

I don’t think scum kill Flea here.

Assuming Vax scum they bus him for cred here. Much simpler.

DGB what kind of roleblocker are you?

Jailkeep? Alien? Regular?

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Well it doesn't really matter. Vax and Guillo. One is scum. So we have caught scum here.

I am not so sure. Give me a minute.

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We're not going after Nora today

I kinda differently mom. Kinda debating something in my head here.

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Assuming G is town a moment, then scum would have to have intentionally killed Vax or DGB is scum and the earlier roleblock claim was a gambit.

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We're not going after Nora today

I kinda differently mom. Kinda debating something in my head here.

stop being annoying. Mom was the only person that caught scum!me in our last game. Trust her damn read on me.

She’s the one who scumreads you more than I do.

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I believe it was a fruit vendor. I wonder if scum were worried about a protective, as the protective was supposed to claim VT.

If it was fruit vendor then DGB blocked the kill.

If Vax is not PGO then scum killed Flea to prevent Flea from outing Vax.

I wanna know who DGB blocked before continuing.

Scum could have cross-killed as well as a possibility

Explain this please?

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She’s the one who scumreads you more than I do.

I thought she said I was town?

She said we’re not going after you today. Not the same as you are town

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We could still have a secret protective.

Possible but I don’t want to account for that yet. I want to sort possibilities as if no secret protective first because then no risk of outing them. Because outing the protective if they exist would be bad. Especially if they’re as good at addition as I am.

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I believe it was a fruit vendor. I wonder if scum were worried about a protective, as the protective was supposed to claim VT.

If it was fruit vendor then DGB blocked the kill.

If Vax is not PGO then scum killed Flea to prevent Flea from outing Vax.

I wanna know who DGB blocked before continuing.

Scum could have cross-killed as well as a possibility

Explain this please?

If the PGO is real and killed Flea. Mafia could have also killed Flea (or chose to no-kill). No idea why they would but it's a possibility.

Possible but I would be considering secret heal at that point. There’s too much power for a flea kill here.

I kinda just don’t like Nora’s open and want to elim them.

It feels like Nora wanted to not elim Pig yesterday and today is bad.

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She’s the one who scumreads you more than I do.

I thought she said I was town?

She said we’re not going after you today. Not the same as you are town

that's disappointing.

y'all have ur Masonn ++++ thingie. Why didn't u use it on me last night if u were so certain I'm scum? I'd be conftown today if u did >:(

Interesting.

What says we didn’t?

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I think G is town because reasons.

Care to explain said reasons?

Not right now.

I need to see something first. Sorry. Trust me. Odds are pretty good he’s town just was being silly pushing masons.

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I blocked Guillotina.

So there's highly likely one scum in Vax/Guill. Chances are it's just Vax ngl

This is incorrect actually. I think it’s misleading.

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I blocked Guillotina.

So there's highly likely one scum in Vax/Guill. Chances are it's just Vax ngl

This is incorrect actually. I think it’s misleading.

So you're thinking both are Town?

Correct. However I could be dumb. I wanna see what the people in mom and my scumpool do

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I need to see something first. Sorry. Trust me. Odds are pretty good he’s town just was being silly pushing masons.

They had no idea you all were masons and thus isn't silly for pushing scummy actions.

G is not a mason with us.

I was referring to his stupid wall.

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Hmm maybe vax fakeclaimed PGO and scum decided to kill
flea to avoid outing him

Possible but that’s not what makes no sense.

There’d have to be four scum for G to be scum here.

Something doesn’t add up

Oh?

Yes. I think Vax and G are town.

Much as the latter annoys me.

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What says we didn’t?

both y'all would be locktowning me if u did so u clearly didn't -_________-

Interesting. Who do you think is scum and why?

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Hmm maybe vax fakeclaimed PGO and scum decided to kill
flea to avoid outing him

Possible but that’s not what makes no sense.

There’d have to be four scum for G to be scum here.

Something doesn’t add up

Oh?

Yes. I think Vax and G are town.

Much as the latter annoys me.

It annoys you that im town? You saying you wished i was scum? If so, likewise!

Yes. It annoys me you spent a day+ focusing on confirmed masons. So yeah it’s annoying you’re probably town.

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I kinda just don’t like Nora’s open and want to elim them.

It feels like Nora wanted to not elim Pig yesterday and today is bad.

Do you feel scum!noraa is more likely to open-wolf to save their buddy or just bus?

I have no experience with Noraa so no idea.

Not 100% sure they are scum.

I kinda wanna see if people agree on Vax+G both being town. If they disagree maybe point out where I am wrong.

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I have no experience with Noraa so no idea.

Not 100% sure they are scum.

I kinda wanna see if people agree on Vax+G both being town. If they disagree maybe point out where I am wrong.

doesn't seem likely

Then why not push the one you think is most likely scum?

Give them a vote?

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@Math, are you going to be able to explain that read any time soon or? I don't really accept "I think [X] is town because of reasons I am not saying" as that progresses absolutely nothing.

I can explain it later. If you like ignore me for now.

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I blocked Guillotina.

Well that was a wasted action, im a fucking camper!

Who would you have picked?

The PGO duh!

If we dont yeet the PGO today (we must), that would be the course of action for tonight.

The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets them during the Night. The PGO is not notified when their power is used. The PGO may be stopped from using their power if targeted by a Roleblocker.

We roleblock him and the vigi or cop checks him.

This way we confirm both the PGO and the Roleblocker.

That’s what Flea did now all Vax has to do is confirm the gift.

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Roleblocking the PGO kills the roleblocker

Seconded this is just bad.

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Roleblocking the PGO kills the roleblocker

Bruh! The roleblocker can't be killed by the PGO wtf?

Roleblocker is a manipulation action that is on top of of the kill action processes!

PGO kills anyone who visits. It’s a passive property not an action.

Like you can’t RB bulletproof same with PGO

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I blocked Guillotina.

Well that was a wasted action, im a fucking camper!

Who would you have picked?

The PGO duh!

If we dont yeet the PGO today (we must), that would be the course of action for tonight.

The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets them during the Night. The PGO is not notified when their power is used. The PGO may be stopped from using their power if targeted by a Roleblocker.

We roleblock him and the vigi or cop checks him.

This way we confirm both the PGO and the Roleblocker.

That’s what Flea did now all Vax has to do is confirm the gift.

How do we know that is what Flea did? How do we know Vax won't lie?

Know, no I don’t. Reasonably certain yes.

There’s a certain question I have ready for Vax.

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Roleblocking the PGO kills the roleblocker

Bruh! The roleblocker can't be killed by the PGO wtf?

Roleblocker is a manipulation action that is on top of of the kill action processes!

PGO kills anyone who visits. It’s a passive property not an action.

Like you can’t RB bulletproof same with PGO

Except roleblockers!

Every ability has a way to be countered mechanically, not just by claim. Roleblockers block the PGO without getting killed, because after the roleblocker action the PGO no longer has the PGO power as per role action process order.

This is incorrect. You’re welcome to ask the mod.

PGO kills the roleblocker sorry. That’s not at all how that works.

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Roleblocking the PGO kills the roleblocker

Bruh! The roleblocker can't be killed by the PGO wtf?

Roleblocker is a manipulation action that is on top of of the kill action processes!

PGO kills anyone who visits. It’s a passive property not an action.

Like you can’t RB bulletproof same with PGO

Except roleblockers!

Every ability has a way to be countered mechanically, not just by claim. Roleblockers block the PGO without getting killed, because after the roleblocker action the PGO no longer has the PGO power as per role action process order.

This is incorrect. You’re welcome to ask the mod.

PGO kills the roleblocker sorry. That’s not at all how that works.

Bro! I know what I'm talking about. There is no role that cannot be mechanically countered!

I agree there is usually a counter in the form of one shot BP scum or ninja scum usually get. But it’s usually not through NAR for PGO.

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Actually, Guill has significantly fallen in the last few pages and now is reaching incredibly low to shade me.

pedit: PGO is usually X-shot and whenever I've seen it it's activated.

It can also be passive as well and not require activation,

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I don't believe the PGO claim.

What if I target it tonight?

You likely die.

I think that’s stupid

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I don't believe the PGO claim.

What if I target it tonight?

Bruh

That is how certain I am that Vax is bluffing/lying.

And I don’t think he is.

DGB there’s certain things about the setup you don’t know

A passive PGO makes sense

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I don't believe the PGO claim.

What if I target it tonight?

You likely die.

I think that’s stupid

Wanna bet I'll still be alive?

Bets are illegal due to site rules

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Are you claiming rolecop masons,

Why would you care if we are or not?

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Does anyone disagree that we win if we lim me, noraa, me, and vax?

Me, noraa, guillo*, vax

Yes possibly. Give me a bit

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Are you claiming rolecop masons,

Why would you care if we are or not?

It would help everyone solve the game. Now I have to work with mystery masons AND a fakeclaiming PGO.

Not right now it wouldn’t.

If we aren’t rolecops and have another reason for this suspicion it stops some reaction tests I have

I wanna see where people consolidate and if it’s bad I will stop it

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I find this ...intriguing.

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This is just tinfoil but... What if DBG fake claimed roleblocker and bussed Pig for towncred?

I think this only makes sense if JV is also scum, because otherwise scum would've had to no-kill, which doesn't seem worth it. Maybe DGB is more big-brained as scum than I realize, but it seems unlikely.

It’s possible though.

I want to see what scum do with all possibilities exposed then kinda see if they bus themselves without having to do a thing

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Why wouldn't a scum PR claim VT?

I like you’re thinking here but I think I saw ice cream being delivered last night somewhere. It did not have strawberries or chocolate.

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I'm pretty sure everyone claimed and the best play is to block whoever you think is scum

PEdit: @math hmm ok

@guillo I guess, still feel like you want to block the kill instead of hoping one of the town PRs is a scum PR. If you're wrong, you blocked a town PR which sucks.

Yeah agreed with infinity here.

Guillo is just bad at mechanics. It’s possible he’s scum but there would have to be four scum for G to be scum. Maybe a traitor possibly.

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I'm not sure I agree math, but we can talk about it once you reveal your info.

Look at it this way.

In a game with a cop and a doctor, scum get a roleblocker in the newbie queue.

1 shot vig, roleblocker, fruit vendor, PGO, and maaaaybe a secret protective, what would you expect scum to have assuming none of those could be scum and one goon is known.

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Keep in mind that we are mason +

If none of the PRs claimed could be scum what could scum have to balance?

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I think 1-shot vig + RB + mason + mason+ (the others aren't really power) vs. 2 goons + rolestopper or something is probably fine.

Okay now assume the masons are investigatives that visit.

Then what?

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I'm pretty sure everyone claimed and the best play is to block whoever you think is scum

PEdit: @math hmm ok

@guillo I guess, still feel like you want to block the kill instead of hoping one of the town PRs is a scum PR. If you're wrong, you blocked a town PR which sucks.

Yeah agreed with infinity here.

Guillo is just bad at mechanics. It’s possible he’s scum but there would have to be four scum for G to be scum. Maybe a traitor possibly.

Well that hurt. Im very good at mechanics Im just a bit paranoid.

Careful now. The last person to use that exact phrase was scum.

You should be trying to convince me there aren’t four scum.

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@Math If it's both of them scum probably needs more power. If not it's fine.

It’s my opinion scum needs more power or a way to dodge the investigations.

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I'm pretty sure everyone claimed and the best play is to block whoever you think is scum

PEdit: @math hmm ok

@guillo I guess, still feel like you want to block the kill instead of hoping one of the town PRs is a scum PR. If you're wrong, you blocked a town PR which sucks.

Yeah agreed with infinity here.

Guillo is just bad at mechanics. It’s possible he’s scum but there would have to be four scum for G to be scum. Maybe a traitor possibly.

Well that hurt. Im very good at mechanics Im just a bit paranoid.

Careful now. The last person to use that exact phrase was scum.

You should be trying to convince me there aren’t four scum.

How can i convince you of something im not certain of?

By actively voting and pushing who you think is scum rather than arguing mechanics. You’ve been wrong all game. If you think someone is scum mechanically make a non mechanical case because you’re actively being bad right now if you’re town.

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I am a PGo

Did Flea visit you?

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@Math If it's both of them scum probably needs more power. If not it's fine.

It’s my opinion scum needs more power or a way to dodge the investigations.

I see what you're saying, rolestopper wouldn't make sense with guillo scum. Could be an ascetic but that's probably not enough power then.

And an ascetic would make me suspect him though.

So if G is scum then it’s 4 scum.

So we’d be looking at a claimed PR being scum or a full power suite or 4 scum.

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So you see my dilemma right?

Vax makes sense for PR balance
G is probably town unless four scum or shenanigans
I just wanna see if Flea visited Vax or not because then we got issues somewhere,

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I'm pretty sure everyone claimed and the best play is to block whoever you think is scum

PEdit: @math hmm ok

@guillo I guess, still feel like you want to block the kill instead of hoping one of the town PRs is a scum PR. If you're wrong, you blocked a town PR which sucks.

Yeah agreed with infinity here.

Guillo is just bad at mechanics. It’s possible he’s scum but there would have to be four scum for G to be scum. Maybe a traitor possibly.

Well that hurt. Im very good at mechanics Im just a bit paranoid.

Careful now. The last person to use that exact phrase was scum.

You should be trying to convince me there aren’t four scum.

How can i convince you of something im not certain of?

By actively voting and pushing who you think is scum rather than arguing mechanics. You’ve been wrong all game. If you think someone is scum mechanically make a non mechanical case because you’re actively being bad right now if you’re town.

Being wrong is more town indicative than scum indicative cause you know, im part of the unaware majority. How do you know ive been wrong all game if Noraa has not flipped yet. She could be the only scum read i’ve been right about all along?

Vaxkiller needs to get eliminated if not, then my vote goes on Noraa as of now.
Or DGB

I wasn’t including today.

Quite frankly you+Nora+DGB makes a lot of sense.

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Do you think it's vax + noraa math? If not, who's scum?

I kinda wanna see if Flea visited Vax.

If that’s a no then Vax gets elimmed.

If it’s a yes then G+Nora+DGB would make sense

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@Math If it's both of them scum probably needs more power. If not it's fine.

It’s my opinion scum needs more power or a way to dodge the investigations.

I see what you're saying, rolestopper wouldn't make sense with guillo scum. Could be an ascetic but that's probably not enough power then.

And an ascetic would make me suspect him though.

So if G is scum then it’s 4 scum.

So we’d be looking at a claimed PR being scum or a full power suite or 4 scum.

If this game has 4 scum, this game is scum sided. For 1 scum there gotta be 3 town.

1+3 = 4
2+6 = 8
3+9 = 12
4+12 = 16
PLUS ONE

When you see our role PMs though four scum isn’t absurd.

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Actually, Guill has significantly fallen in the last few pages and now is reaching incredibly low to shade me.

pedit: PGO is usually X-shot and whenever I've seen it it's activated.

That's alright, I can take it. I didn't shade you, YOU DID POST that.

I don't believe the PGO claim.

What if I target it tonight?

Bruh

That is how certain I am that Vax is bluffing/lying.

And I don’t think he is.

DGB there’s certain things about the setup you don’t know

A passive PGO makes sense

Including it being town?

It’s negative utility whatever the alignment. Could be scum or town.

Since Flea would have had to visit Vax to trigger the PGO we can wait and see what Vax claims and then can validate if Vax was visited. If not then we elim Vax. Should be a simple question Vax should be able to answer.

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Do you think it's vax + noraa math? If not, who's scum?

I kinda wanna see if Flea visited Vax.

If that’s a no then Vax gets elimmed.

If it’s a yes then G+Nora+DGB would make sense

Well, you just told Vax what to say.

No we didn’t.

There’s something special about the visit never mentioned.

I just ask Vax about it. Problem solved

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I am a PGo

Did Flea visit you?

No
I have no msgs other than day start

Double check please.

This is very important.

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I don't want to consider DGB scum until we have a secret protective potentially claim, and I want to wait at least another day phase to do that.

DGB and Vax maybe in a 1v1 here. This is very important here.

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Okay so here’s the situation.

Vax how would you like to be elimmed to confirm scum?

I am pretty sure you’re town but I don’t think the rest of town will buy my theory.

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I havent read up, but why would scum!dgb try to 1v1 my actual claim here? Were they really at rish?

I think one of these possibilities:

1) You’re scum and not PGO so you had to kill Flea. You’re actually ascetic and don’t know what to do because Flea can’t visit you.

2) You’re town but Flea never visited you so DGB had to block Flea or jailkeep you.


Scum you I think claims visited by PGO if you were because it’s credibility points because the question would be hella simple to answer.

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So the simple answer whatever your alignment is that Flea never visited Vax the answer becomes why.

Pedit: Look at who died Vax.

The person I asked to target you.

You said Flea didn’t visit you and you had no messages at day start which you’d have if Flea died by visiting you,

So whatever your alignment Flea didn’t visit you it becomes a matter of why

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I seriously just did. No other msgs

Everyone knows that PGOs are not told who visit them.

He is likely scum for not claiming before EoD1

Fruit vendors (which is very similar to what Flea is) would inform Vax because that’s how they work. Flea has to visit Vax to trigger the death.

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So the simple answer whatever your alignment is that Flea never visited Vax the answer becomes why.

Pedit: Look at who died Vax.

The person I asked to target you.

You said Flea didn’t visit you and you had no messages at day start which you’d have if Flea died by visiting you,

So whatever your alignment Flea didn’t visit you it becomes a matter of why

Why did you ask flea to target me? Was it in your neighborhood? Why would you do that?

Is DGB in your neighborhood?

I did that for manh reasons

1) If you’re scum and not PGO then scum have to fix the kill around you.
This enables a secret protective (if any) and any masons to live another day.

2) If you’re scum and PGO investigatives know not to target you and you can be sorted.

3) If you’re town and PGO then we trade a fruit vendor for an unkillable Townie at night.

It forces this day play.

With you not receiving any messages number 2 is out.
This means you’re either town and unkillable except by ninja or BP or you’re scum and I bought an extra day for conf town win win.

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You and mom are masons or soemthing? Or are you soemthing else that invites others?

We’re mason+

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So no we can’t invite people.

So if you’re town then DGB almost certainly becomes scum.

And because G likely isn’t the killer (must as I hate his mechanics stupidity) then DGB likely didn’t stop the kill unless there’s four scum.

However getting town to take that leap of faith is really hard.

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Scum!you can just check the wiki anyway

Huh?

I was just saying that if you were scum you could've just checked the wiki to confirm whether PGOs get notified if they are targeted.

Vax being an ascetic would make a lot of sense I think, but they could still be scum PGO? Idk, I just think they're scum.

Btw math, I think you may be overestimating how much power town has. Roleblocker isn't a super strong PR, and neither is 1-shot vig. Most of town's power is in the masons. I think if vax flips ascetic guillo could still be goon, depending on exactly what the masons are.

If vax is town, I don't see a reason for scum to block flea.

They can’t.

There’s something special about Flea’s target.

If Vax claims it I would ask.

I think Vax is being set up but I understand if Vax is elimmed today as it seems like moon logic

But I think if we elim Vax the next elims should be DGB/Nora then the other and if we still have a game G.

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Scum Vax here if PGO and visited claims it here almost always. There’d be no downside.

So if Vax is town or scum he almost certainly didn’t get visited by Flea. That I believe.

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So the simple answer whatever your alignment is that Flea never visited Vax the answer becomes why.

Pedit: Look at who died Vax.

The person I asked to target you.

You said Flea didn’t visit you and you had no messages at day start which you’d have if Flea died by visiting you,

So whatever your alignment Flea didn’t visit you it becomes a matter of why

Why did you ask flea to target me? Was it in your neighborhood? Why would you do that?

Is DGB in your neighborhood?

I did that for manh reasons

1) If you’re scum and not PGO then scum have to fix the kill around you.
This enables a secret protective (if any) and any masons to live another day.

2) If you’re scum and PGO investigatives know not to target you and you can be sorted.

3) If you’re town and PGO then we trade a fruit vendor for an unkillable Townie at night.

It forces this day play.

With you not receiving any messages number 2 is out.
This means you’re either town and unkillable except by ninja or BP or you’re scum and I bought an extra day for conf town win win.

Why PGO can be killed by ninja?

Ninja is untrackable or unwatchable, that’s it.

Depends on how the ninja would be worded but it could be possible town!Vax would be killed by Ninja. Yeah.

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So no we can’t invite people.

So if you’re town then DGB almost certainly becomes scum.

And because G likely isn’t the killer (must as I hate his mechanics stupidity) then DGB likely didn’t stop the kill unless there’s four scum.

However getting town to take that leap of faith is really hard.

I am town. So somewhere your calculations are wrong.

Assume Vax is town.

How does he not get Flea’s notification (and don’t say mod error)?

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Scum Vax here if PGO and visited claims it here almost always. There’d be no downside.

So if Vax is town or scum he almost certainly didn’t get visited by Flea. That I believe.

Maybe Flea didn't send a night action? Fae was not feeling well.

Possible but even with the extra time it’s unlikely.

In this case it acts the same as if Vax wasn’t PGO though, scum had to kill Flea so not taking this one into consideration. Scum Vax would have to be ascetic or Flea would be roleblocked.

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If someone got a fruit or w/e from flea they should claim it

Otherwise I don't see how vax is town. Scum would've had to block and kill flea right?

Exactly my point.

Scum Vax would 100% claim visited here. Even if he wasn’t because he’d be the elim either way he has nothing to lose.

The fact he claimed not visited means it’s probably a setup with DGB blocking flea. It probably took it a step too far.

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Scum Vax here if PGO and visited claims it here almost always. There’d be no downside.

So if Vax is town or scum he almost certainly didn’t get visited by Flea. That I believe.

Maybe Flea didn't send a night action? Fae was not feeling well.

Possible but even with the extra time it’s unlikely.

In this case it acts the same as if Vax wasn’t PGO though, scum had to kill Flea so not taking this one into consideration. Scum Vax would have to be ascetic or Flea would be roleblocked.

Di you tell flea to target me in the game tho?

I did

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It’s possible that Vax is scum and ascetic but that would still require DGB blocking Vax and I don’t see two scum busses back to back by DGB. I don’t see it being that bold.

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So no we can’t invite people.

So if you’re town then DGB almost certainly becomes scum.

And because G likely isn’t the killer (must as I hate his mechanics stupidity) then DGB likely didn’t stop the kill unless there’s four scum.

However getting town to take that leap of faith is really hard.

I am town. So somewhere your calculations are wrong.

Assume Vax is town.

How does he not get Flea’s notification (and don’t say mod error)?

A) DGB roleblocked and killed them. Where’s the point in this though
B) Vax is not in communication with other mafia (offline etc) and didn’t know if they should claim that or not.
>> Vax delayed entry into the day. Vax could have just waited longer if scum.
C) Flea targeted someone else or didn’t target at all.
>> Everyone has posted. No one claimed it. So if someone did get it they are scum.
D) Vax wants to make them seem aligned with DGB as a suicidal attempt to kill a Town PR
>> This doesn’t work as Vax is the easier bus here. Vax falls on his sword to keep scum roleblocker alive.
E) PGO stops the vendor ability
>> No it doesn’t. Visits still happen the person dies afterward
There’s probably more

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If someone got a fruit or w/e from flea they should claim it

Otherwise I don't see how vax is town. Scum would've had to block and kill flea right?

Exactly my point.

Scum Vax would 100% claim visited here. Even if he wasn’t because he’d be the elim either way he has nothing to lose.

The fact he claimed not visited means it’s probably a setup with DGB blocking flea. It probably took it a step too far.

It doesn't make sense to me though because vax was already likely to be limmed and flea was likely to be in the limpool as well. They sacrifice a better NK and their roleblock to lim someone who probably would've been limmed anyway. More likely vax is just scum and messed up.

That’s really a stretch.

Vax is a good player. I think we have to elim Vax much as I think he’s town.

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Give me a bit to explain but I really think Vax is town.

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So no we can’t invite people.

So if you’re town then DGB almost certainly becomes scum.

And because G likely isn’t the killer (must as I hate his mechanics stupidity) then DGB likely didn’t stop the kill unless there’s four scum.

However getting town to take that leap of faith is really hard.

You know what I rather get scum read and miseliminated than getting insulted by you, will you chill on your insults or do I need to request for moderation. Or better yet we make this day a shitstorm for all of us where i get miseliminated or you and we give an extra day to scum, i dont give a crap.

I am not insulting you I said what you said about mechanics is stupid. I am very sure you’re smart just I don’t think you follow the mechanics. Most of your pushes have been objectively bad.

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If someone got a fruit or w/e from flea they should claim it

Otherwise I don't see how vax is town. Scum would've had to block and kill flea right?

Exactly my point.

Scum Vax would 100% claim visited here. Even if he wasn’t because he’d be the elim either way he has nothing to lose.

The fact he claimed not visited means it’s probably a setup with DGB blocking flea. It probably took it a step too far.

I didn't block Flea, why would I do that?

If I were scum here, the optimal choice is to allow Flea to target Vax.

(1) Flea dies trying
(2) Flea doesn't die and Vax gets speed-yeeted.

That’s assuming Vax is PGO in all worlds.
If Vax is not PGO (which you doubted) then he’d need a way to prevent the visit if he’s ascetic which is where you fit in.

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Math I mean if Vax is scum and DGB is town. They try and get them and then the role blocker yeeted

I mean yeah I get it but it doesn’t feel right considering it was between Vax and Pig on D2 and both G and Nora didn’t notice DGB’s roleblock Pig claim until waaaaay after it had been discussion for a while. It was pretty bad.

I kinda don’t see that if Vax and Pig are both scum.

I get we probably have to eliminate Vax but I don’t think he’s scum.

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As I see it there are two options:

1) Vax is the RGO and Flea died bc of that. The scum kill was blocked. Guillo is scum.
2) Vax is not a PGO and Flea was the nk. Vax is scum.

I do think we have caught scum and the dumb as fuck argument that both are town is stupid as hell.

Incorrect. 1 is impossible without Vax being blocked as no visit. DGB would be scum here. G may or may not be scum.

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Id like to formally apologize to guil for things I have said. This is not part of the game but a genuine apology considered to be separate.


I'm sorry.

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This but imho I think I am okay as I am only talking about his play not him,

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*day 2

Why not? It’s a perfect bus.

Pig was honest he couldn’t keep up.

Keeping up with the bud lets DGB bank cred.

I mean it’s quite possible Vax is scum

But if Vax is not scum PGO or ascetic then DGB likely is scum for blocking Flea not G.

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VOTE: MathBlade

Yeet me! Here! Im knowingly voting to yeet a “claimed” mason.

I always attack the play, not the player and when I do, i apologize and i will be damn if i allow you to call me stupid or my mechanics skills stupid because im a goddamn great player.

Is this about ego? Yes! But it’s about respect too!

*sigh*

So Nora who do you think is scum?

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So Nora who do you think is scum?

I do agree with guillo scum at this point.

Pretend that’s not possible.

Who with?

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bc I solidly believe in dgb town

What if Vax and G are both town?

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Im passin out in 5.

Get ready for mind blowing later once mom approves

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Well here’s the gist:

Mom and I are both investigatives that visit.

We visited G and Nora last night.

We’ve done several invest crumbs some real some fake to bait scum.

There’s a reason G if scum had to be the fourth. PR wise a vanilla scum doesn’t work with all that’s claimed.

PGO however works as anti utility for town.

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Therefore DGB having blocked the kill becomes incredibly low unless there is 4 scum.

So if DGB town then scum killed Flea intentionally which makes no sense if Vax is scum PGO because that fixes itself.

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Well here’s the gist:

Mom and I are both investigatives that visit.

We visited G and Nora last night.

We’ve done several invest crumbs some real some fake to bait scum.

There’s a reason G if scum had to be the fourth. PR wise a vanilla scum doesn’t work with all that’s claimed.

PGO however works as anti utility for town.

*sigh* why am I still here.

ok so im conftown now?

No you aren’t. I wouldn’t suspect you if you were conf town

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It’s possible there’s four scum and G is scum don’t get me wrong, G isn’t “conf” town, same with Marky Mark.

They’re both vanilla.

We’re likely looking for a ninja + invest of some kind. DGB being a role blocking scum makes sense to help mechanically.

I don’t think it’s in our interest to claim who is what obviously but mechanically DGB scum fits way better than Vax.

I also understand we may have to elim Vax to prove my theory.

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It’s really a damned if ya do damned if you don’t situation here.

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So Nora who do you think is scum?

I do agree with guillo scum at this point.

he's acting really dumb :/

like I wanna say this could be TSTBS but I think its just scum at this point.

Im pissed off at Math, it does not make me scum.

You calling me dumb after seeing how i take those insults look like you are trying to provoke me even further, to what purpose?

I am sorry you’re pissed at me.

If you’re town your play has been bad.

I can’t lie here. I don’t think you’re bad but your play has been.

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Now see I don’t want to say what investigatives as that can possibly tip off scum as to what to do or who to kill.

And mass claim on D2 helped to see who scum could be.

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So Nora who do you think is scum?

I do agree with guillo scum at this point.

he's acting really dumb :/

like I wanna say this could be TSTBS but I think its just scum at this point.

Im pissed off at Math, it does not make me scum.

You calling me dumb after seeing how i take those insults look like you are trying to provoke me even further, to what purpose?

I am sorry you’re pissed at me.

If you’re town your play has been bad.

I can’t lie here. I don’t think you’re bad but your play has been.

Nope, my town play has been as good as it can be. Fuck your judgement, if you were so good you wouldnt have deathtunneled horsewoman to her elimination having help and all.

No. Death tunneling Horsewoman confirmed a theory that helped nail scum and saved a mason+investigative.

Short of Horsewoman claiming mod informed of all the scum I elim her every time to save my mason buddy.

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I also understand we may have to elim Vax to prove my theory.

If we have the chances for it. Whateves. Just include me in the win.

Are you okay with that Vax?

I feel sick voting someone that I think is town.

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So Nora who do you think is scum?

I do agree with guillo scum at this point.

he's acting really dumb :/

like I wanna say this could be TSTBS but I think its just scum at this point.

Im pissed off at Math, it does not make me scum.

You calling me dumb after seeing how i take those insults look like you are trying to provoke me even further, to what purpose?

I am sorry you’re pissed at me.

If you’re town your play has been bad.

I can’t lie here. I don’t think you’re bad but your play has been.

Nope, my town play has been as good as it can be. Fuck your judgement, if you were so good you wouldnt have deathtunneled horsewoman to her elimination having help and all.

No. Death tunneling Horsewoman confirmed a theory that helped nail scum and saved a mason+investigative.

Short of Horsewoman claiming mod informed of all the scum I elim her every time to save my mason buddy.

Whatever im not going to let you to discredit me and put me down, that crap is anti-town and you know it.

I dont acknowledge you as town leader. Town leaders empower other town players and work together. You humiliate others.

That’s what I have been doing when I can.

That’s why I have been cautious with my word choice.

Look at how I am working with JV and Marky Mark and Infinity and Flea. It kinda became obvious I townread them and was never voting there even if I said I scumread them.

I just don’t get what you’re doing this game I really don’t.

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And sometimes as confirmed town you have to lie or put down a misleading crumb. I do so sparingly but if it’s not going to harm reads I will do that.

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Still gonna hold off on evaluating math's theory until the masons full claim. Which is fine, since we can just lim vax today.

There’s no reason to full claim today.

The only reason we’d full claim is a 100% lock guilty.

I logically understand the Vax elim, but I would rather elim DGB but Vax is safer.

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If my SR on DGB d1 was right and it guiltied its buddy I will lmao.

It would be very funny indeed.

But I guess

VOTE: Vax

I hate this though to be clear. I don’t see Vax scum but I could be fooled.

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VOTE: Unvote

I can’t do it. I just can’t. I don’t think Vax is scum

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I am being scummy without a doubt.

As confirmed town I sometimes have to do scummy things.
However it’s done to mitigate risk. It netted us a confirmed town in Marky Mark on D2 and you today.

I get I can be a bit controlling but it’s with good reason. I am a bit of a pill to swallow and it narrows the play down to certain elims and it sucks sometimes. Imagine how hard it is for scum to breathe right now. How few miselims they have. If they ever succeed in killing us then they still have all the vanillas left in our wake.

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Well as close as confirmed can be.

If I was scum here I instantly turn this elim on you. I can and have done it before I am good when I am scum. I just kinda wanna be like guard rails not railroads but if I have to railroad or town Derps I do railroad

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I am sorry if that hurt you as a person as that’s not my intent, but I can’t apologize for the actions. The words may be off and if I messed that up I am sorry for that.

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Math is ++town by play imo, if there's scum outside {vax, guillo, noraa} it's
DGB

Rebalance this setup if we’re both investigatives please.

Is PGO town or scum here? Same with the RB.

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Why does Pig crumb PGO as goon and there happens to be one? It’s a pretty big coincidence.

Like I get the mechanical reasons Vax could be scum I just can’t bring myself to do it. If everyone else does I accept that I just can’t right now.

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Math is ++town by play imo, if there's scum outside {vax, guillo, noraa} it's
DGB

Rebalance this setup if we’re both investigatives please.

Is PGO town or scum here? Same with the RB.

Yeah it really depends on what the investigatives are. I'm not the best setup speccer but unless they're really powerful investigatives I think scum is fine with only 1 PR.

In that case G could be scum and so could Marky Mark but I dunno.

I just guess I kinda want Vax’s flip or DGB’s flip atm.

I just don’t think they’d have G do the kill when I suggested blocking them and it’s more likely Nora scum.

Just a feeling ya know. It’s really hard to explain I just don’t think there’s 1 PR for 2 masons+invests + 1 vig + maaaybe one protective. Let alone a roleblocker and/or PGO.

That seems a bit much.

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Maybe they have ascetic + gated PR or something. Vax being scum ascetic makes a lot of sense to me. Guillo has felt towny to me anyway.

Yeah it’s possible it’s just a rare gut read I have. I get I should vote Vax I don’t wanna though.

That ever happen to you?

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during night the masons may have already talked for hours on AIM

ppl still us AIM?!?

We’re just so old we remember when it used to be popular. Oh my curse-ed eyes and all the neon.

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This is all useless until we see if anything changed from the lock.

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FYI mod msgd me, said there was a mistake. I received a picnic basket last night.

I'll be on later tonight, christmas stuff with fam now

That makes a lot more sense.

When you’re back I have a simple question for you.

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Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

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Jackson, I am conftown to you.

I stopped the scum's NK, no one knows this more clearly than you.

You're close but far from fully conftown.

If Vax did receive the PGO message which we can tell soon enough then DGB scum becomes less likely but still possible. It’s not something I wanna consider today if he did.

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Fruit vendor**
Wtf brain

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if Flea died to the PGO then Guillo is scum? or are there other possibilities?

Other possibilities.

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if Flea died to the PGO then Guillo is scum? or are there other possibilities?

There are many possibilities, the likely one is that one is likely scum between the two regardless of the Masonry's investigative.

Speaking of which,

@Masons

, do you see my logic behind there being not impossible double goon game? Albeit if you don't think it's as likely, do you think it's possible given my examples etc?

I get double goon is possible, that’d just be a really townsided setup. Mafiascum does do that on occasion but I don’t see it as likely here so I would rather elim Nora.

By reads I kinda prefer G more since some of the word choice is similar between G and Pig.
By mechanics and votes I prefer Nora. I don’t see two goons as likely here.

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Hey all

Looks like the day started just after I went to bed last night and then was locked by the time I had woken up - see my previous wry comments about the mafiascum experience for European players

G's been stretching today, I'm not gonna lie.

As I understand it, Vax is either:
PGO -> means Flea died from visiting them -> means either G is scum or scum no-killed to frame G
Not PGO-> means scum killed Flea and Vax is 90% scum because why would town!vax lie about their role

I've still not heard back from Vax ref why they didn't claim D1 fwiw

--pedit lolwat from math. In this scenario either Vax or G is scum 90% so why look elsewhere?

You’re missing a possibility here on Vax -> PGO here.

The 90% is wrong.

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Like I guess you could have Vax as town PGO and scum no-kill to frame G (regardless of whether DGB is scum or not), but that seems somewhat sub-optimal for scum

--pedit @JV - nice!

There is another option.

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Ok what shitty investigative did you use on me that can't even clear me?

Why do you and DGB care so much as to what investigatives we are if you’re town?

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@Math - so you think Vax is legit Town PGO and G was framed by scum no-killing? That is the only train of thought I could see that would lead to voting Noraa here

--pedit OK, what other option

One of the VT claims is a secret protective. It’s possible. Or scum intentionally killed Flea to try to setup Vax to make us lose a day in case Flea didn’t visit Vax.

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Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

Can I ask what receiving a fruit vendor notif changes your view on wanting to elim Vax?

Assuming it’s true then the plan to likely confirm Vax as PGO worked.

Scum really shouldn’t kill Flea here by numbers unless being silly.

PoE leaves Nora, G, DGB, Infinity

Marky Mark was likely conf based on VT claim
Jackson likely conf based on N1 vig
We’re masons

That’s 4 townies there. 2/3 scum left.
Add Vax becomes 5. Vax can’t be killed except by some sort of scum powers like maybe ninja depending upon how it’s worded maybe not.

So we’re looking at 5 lock!townies into today.
Assume miselim here
Then a lock Townie dies

4 lock townies into tomorrow 3 in scum pool possible
Scum have no room to breathe and Vax goes to elo.

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Math are you holding back the Noraa info?

Yes.

For reasons.

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I would favour a Vax elim here. If I was gonna vote outside Vax/G (which seems foolish to me when 1 of the 2 is scum in most realistic circs) I would probably look at infin ahead of Noraa

@Noraa - I guess if the masons have rolecop (which is what it sounds like) then checking a claimed VT is worthwhile in case you get a non-vanilla result

I would stop trying to guess what we do or don’t have please. That’d be awesome. K thanks!

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Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

Can I ask what receiving a fruit vendor notif changes your view on wanting to elim Vax?

Assuming it’s true then the plan to likely confirm Vax as PGO worked.

Scum really shouldn’t kill Flea here by numbers unless being silly.

PoE leaves Nora, G, DGB, Infinity

Marky Mark was likely conf based on VT claim
Jackson likely conf based on N1 vig
We’re masons

That’s 4 townies there. 2/3 scum left.
Add Vax becomes 5. Vax can’t be killed except by some sort of scum powers like maybe ninja depending upon how it’s worded maybe not.

So we’re looking at 5 lock!townies into today.
Assume miselim here
Then a lock Townie dies

4 lock townies into tomorrow 3 in scum pool possible
Scum have no room to breathe and Vax goes to elo.

Can you explain why receiving the fruit vendor notif confirms them as PGO? I don't follow. Also why is MarkiePoo claiming VT make them in the town tier next to masons and myself?

Because when they claimed they didn’t know what (if any) lies would work or not.
Because scum wouldn’t have the spare kill to kill Flea and it’s more likely they attempted elsewhere and it is unlikely G did the kill so DGB likely didn’t block a second kill.

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I don’t see scum killing Flea of all people here. That doesn’t really make sense.

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They do if Vax is scum, it doesn't clear them just 'cuz they got the notif

They got the notification proves Flea visited Vax. It doesn’t 100% clear Vax but it makes the more probable option that he is town.

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well unless the scum team is just Vax/Guillo, something went really wrong.

Mark or me could be scum fypov right?

Still feel like vax is likely scum, if they thought flea visited someone else then it makes sense they wouldn't claim a fruit. They're probably not a PGO though.

Math, if vax fakeclaimed PGO killing flea makes sense right? It frames DGB's block target, and if flea targets vax and lives then they're outed.

If he did fake claim yes. I just don’t see Vax claiming PGO with Pig fake crumbing it. Odds are that scum are looking for PGO and investigative. It just doesn’t seem likely to me that scum would fake claim a role another crumbed.

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Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

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When pig said "I wish I was that smart", it felt genuine to me. I don't think pig actually meant to crumb PGO.

I think it was accurate and a buddy told him to do that.

I don’t think he was that smart but a buddy was.

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It’s the same trick I use when conveying something in secret.

I make something look really a lot like X but it’s really Y.

X is still true mind you but really Y is.

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Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

That's perfectly fine, although that contradicts your earlier actions when you were willing to as you thought it was the smarter play. I am trying to find the reasonings behind why you switched your mind

Mainly I’ve just been more sure of my town!Vax read based on how he claimed no message.
I think scum!Vax here fakes it every time to try to get G elimmed.

Now with Vax likely getting the message (still need to confirm)

That scum Vax just becomes really unlikely to me. This means scum likely tried to kill elsewhere.

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Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

That's perfectly fine, although that contradicts your earlier actions when you were willing to as you thought it was the smarter play. I am trying to find the reasonings behind why you switched your mind

Mainly I’ve just been more sure of my town!Vax read based on how he claimed no message.
I think scum!Vax here fakes it every time to try to get G elimmed.

Now with Vax likely getting the message (still need to confirm)

That scum Vax just becomes really unlikely to me. This means scum likely tried to kill elsewhere.

Depends if Vax is the mafia PR as they would self-pres all the way. I’m leaving for work now so I can’t post anymore for a while

My point. Self pres would involve hanging G and claiming being visited.

I just don’t think Vax is scum here

Preferred order is Nora,G,Vax,DGB.

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What if it’s just Nora and G and just scum are really underpowered? So this is just theatre? Or fourth scum?

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ALSO PSA

if people are going to go around and call math shitty as hell, and say how terrible he is as a town leader pushing the wrong lynches there is one thing that needs to be realized. Math was doing all those pushes for me, especially the horsewagon push. Not only are we masons this game, but since he's subbed in, we have been essentially of one mind . All suspicions voiced and every push made are pushes that are being endorsed by both of us 99% of the time.

He's echoed most of my thoughts from my head into this game so really anything that people have to say about him that's negative is also to be said about me as well

Check the PT please momma.

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Still feel like vax is likely scum, if they thought flea visited someone else then it makes sense they wouldn't claim a fruit. They're probably not a PGO though.

Responding to this mostly

I think vax is fakeclaiming PGO and NKed flea. It makes sense that vax didn't claim the fruit to begin with since they thought flea visited someone else. Vax actually receiving the fruit makes it unlikely vax is PGO unless guillo is also scum, but they could still be fakeclaiming.

Then vote there please. I just don’t see it. Maybe I am just blind.

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GUYS THE MOD MISTAKE WAS VAX WAS GIFTED SOMETHING

Has the MOD @Nero Cain confirm the mistake? I will only believe it if it comes from him.

Did i miss it? Do i need a pair of glasses?

Yes you do. Second time you’ve missed something.

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You know this kinda reminds me of the time that investigative targeted scum!me.
I was not widely TRed but the investigative was my strongest TR and the investigative had a strong SR on me.
The moment he died, it was obvious I was scum but I first started out saying I hadn't been visited then later admitted I had.

Nora kinda reminds me of that. I'm not 1000% sure tho.

Fixed a spelling mistake or two

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i may have made a mistake....locking this atm

We good. Keep calm and BEARY on.

wait no im wrong...i think

after a short hibernation play resumes

@G

Vax followed this up with a claim he got the message

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FYI mod msgd me, said there was a mistake. I received a picnic basket last night.

I'll be on later tonight, christmas stuff with fam now

@Nero Cain

can you confirm this?

If moderators make mechanical mistakes that put the integrity of players at risk, he must publicly confirm them, otherwise it is just another bluff.

It could be a bluff.

It might not be. Who knows until we ask Vax?

Nero doesn’t have to confirm Vax in the slightest.

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Also, part of me feels like you have played on a roleplaying site a long time ago Guillotina but maths suspicion on you is largely mine. He was willing to town you on mechanics but something is off and the way the day has played out doesn't make it any better @guillotina

Ok ok. Would you day that my yeet would give you guys the info you need to solve the game?

Yeeting you imho is dumb because reasons and scum would be drastically underpowered imho unless four scum. So I am sorta in saving you for last if you are and prefer Noraa.

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Why is Mark confirmed

Already explained that.
One of ours investigatives visited him N1 and he was first to claim and didn’t know we were investigatives and his VT claim matched up. Super hard to fake claim with no evidence how to.

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Mod locked the thread because he made aistske. All the confirmation we need

He never confirmed what mistake was it.

Mods don’t do that here. They tell SS little as possible while preserving the game.

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Mod locked the thread because he made aistske. All the confirmation we need

He never confirmed what mistake was it.

Mods don’t do that here. They tell SS little as possible while preserving the game.

as*

Autocorrect you suck

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The mod cant say

"I was supposed to send someone a PM, but forgot to do it"

The mod has to confirm mechanical mistakes they made to the public.

What if im a cop and i get a wrong check and for that i get a town killed after claiming?

This is why mods have to confirm mechanical mistakes to the thread. It's policy!

It depends on the mistake G. In this case there is no such possibility as Vax is not an investigative. MS policy is to release/confirm as little as possible while allowing the game to continue. While it’s pretty obvious Vax imho is PGO some people are doubting it which means there’s no reason to confirm or deny anything.

Vax can still play whatever he does as town or scum and it’s just like day start as if he claimed receipt.

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Not a claimed investigative*

VOTE: Noraa

Just done. Noraa or G are both good by reads.

Mechanically G is probably more likely town but makes sense if four scum.

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The mod cant say

"I was supposed to send someone a PM, but forgot to do it"

The mod has to confirm mechanical mistakes they made to the public.

What if im a cop and i get a wrong check and for that i get a town killed after claiming?

This is why mods have to confirm mechanical mistakes to the thread. It's policy!

It depends on the mistake G. In this case there is no such possibility as Vax is not an investigative. MS policy is to release/confirm as little as possible while allowing the game to continue. While it’s pretty obvious Vax imho is PGO some people are doubting it which means there’s no reason to confirm or deny anything.

Vax can still play whatever he does as town or scum and it’s just like day start as if he claimed receipt.

Then the best course of action is to yeet me! Im a camper and my yeet will help town figure shit out

That’s exactly what a goon would say to help a ninja.

Why would you not want to elim your top scumread?

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I kinda have a moon logic theory but it’s waaay out there but I trust mom to run it if I die and Noraa is town.

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Pedit Damn it mom

People think I am the idiot and I am used to that.

VOTE: DBG

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VOTE: Noraa

Pedit G I just have to ask one question to Vax and if he’s bluffing or not goes away.

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I don't think DGB is optimal play here.
I think we choose one out of vax/guillo bc its like 90% confirmed that there is scum in those two.

Stop saying that. It’s not true.

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@Infinity

Based on certain things that have not yet come light, how likely do you think DBG could be scum here?

Honestly it's possible but I don't really want to consider that until
you two full claim and there really isn't another possibility.

We’re not gonna full claim today prolly unless mom decides it.

I kinda just want Noraa or G elimmed.

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VOTE: guillo

Fine

Lemme talk with mom.

Sigh.

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DGB is sus for roleblocking a claimed camper
Vax is sus for not claiming PGO before EoD1 and for bluffing about the mod mistake

That’s not sus of DGB.

It is sus for other reasons.

Vax did do something scummy. It’s why I understand if he is the elim I just think Noraa is best and if she is town then we have deep wolves pt 2.

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And I am the motion detector who detected motion DGB N1 and no motion from Noraa N2.

Because we have motion detector makes me think there’s a ninja.

Based on DGB’s reactions and fishing I think it’s DGB and Noraa.

Just a hunch though.

Vax makes sense as a PGO based on setup.

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Y'all didn't use the damn cop on me?! >:(

Ok
UNVOTE:

It was a close call between you and G. In the end we decided rolecop G because of their mason theory.

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My exact theory is DGB is roleblock ing scum who bussed
Noraa is ninja
And if 4 scum to balance power G is second goon

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It’s possible Vax is scum and DGB is town here but rolespec wise it makes much more sense imho that PGO is negative utility who could kill us and roleblocker gives scum control to stop investigations.

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@Infinity

Based on certain things that have not yet come light, how likely do you think DBG could be scum here?

Honestly it's possible but I don't really want to consider that until
you two full claim and there really isn't another possibility.

You got what you wanted. Still think my head is on backwards?

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still glamping

Noraa
Marky Mark
DrippingGoofball

Nono

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Guillotina
JacksonVirgo

no elim

Infinity 324
Momrangal

LlamaMama

Vaxkiller

Beary dead

Horsewoman eliminated d1 was a

camper

Toogeloo killed night 1 was a

camper

AGamblingPig eliminated day 2 was a

goon

Flea the Magician killed night 2 was a

picnic basket gifter

Going through the list
Noraa >> could be Ninja
Marky Mark >> Can’t be ninja he’s vanilla (town or scum) prob town
DBG >> Roleblocker can’t be ninja
Me >> mason can’t be ninja
G >> can’t be ninja he’s vanilla (town or scum)
JV >> could be 1 shot vig + ninja all other times but that’s just weird. Or that scum intentionally killed Toog and DBG never blocked Pig. << Imho JV is only scum with DBG. I don’t see it but being fair to mom this is possible
Infinity >> Possible ninja but I doubt it because gut
Mom >> Mason can’t be ninja
Vaxkiller >> likely PGO therefore not ninja

It’s pretty likely Noraa is scum ninja here

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My exact theory is DGB is roleblock ing scum who bussed
Noraa is ninja
And if 4 scum to balance power G is second goon

Forget this theory. I'm town. So, the play is that DGB is scum who bussed for town cred and Noraa is the ninja.

Noraa has had every reason to want to kill me, why hasn't she?

Because you’re pushing masons and creating a lot of noise and aren’t confirmed/likely confirmed like a lot of others.

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If Noraa is scum as I suspect she is she keeps you around for the elim

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It’s possible that G is just scum here and scum is woefully underpowered
But DGB+Noraa
Or DGB+ JV
Make more sense imho
The latter is mom’s theory

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still glamping

Noraa
Marky Mark
DrippingGoofball

Nono

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Guillotina
JacksonVirgo

no elim

Infinity 324
Momrangal

LlamaMama

Vaxkiller

Beary dead

Horsewoman eliminated d1 was a

camper

Toogeloo killed night 1 was a

camper

AGamblingPig eliminated day 2 was a

goon

Flea the Magician killed night 2 was a

picnic basket gifter

Going through the list
Noraa >> could be Ninja
Marky Mark >> Can’t be ninja he’s vanilla (town or scum) prob town
DBG >> Roleblocker can’t be ninja
Me >> mason can’t be ninja
G >> can’t be ninja he’s vanilla (town or scum)
JV >> could be 1 shot vig + ninja all other times but that’s just weird. Or that scum intentionally killed Toog and DBG never blocked Pig. << Imho JV is only scum with DBG. I don’t see it but being fair to mom this is possible
Infinity >> Possible ninja but I doubt it because gut
Mom >> Mason can’t be ninja
Vaxkiller >> likely PGO therefore not ninja

It’s pretty likely Noraa is scum ninja here

Why put Mom in that list of analysis when you know she is the mason? your partner.

I also put myself in there.

It’s showing I am not creating bias by removing anyone so everyone can reach the same conclusion.

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Really really doubt scum has a ninja to counter just a motion detector. Those mason PRs are pretty weak and I think scum probably only has 1 PR. DGB being the town's only protective is a good point too.

I am not so sure about that. Rolecop is very strong PR.
I really think scum have a ninja here. Trust me.

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Really really doubt scum has a ninja to counter just a motion detector. Those mason PRs are pretty weak and I think scum probably only has 1 PR. DGB being the town's only protective is a good point too.

I am not so sure about that. Rolecop is very strong PR.
I really think scum have a ninja here. Trust me.

Rolecop isn't that strong imo, it's about the level of tracker I think. It can catch scum if they try to fakeclaim, but often they'll just be a goon fakeclaiming VT. Also unless you have info I don't a ninja just for a motion detector makes absolutely zero sense.

I would say that’s about the same level if you some how combined the two in a weird blender of logic maybe.
That’s why we had likely scum claim before they knew about roles. Now I believe you’re up.

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And I want your true claim infinity

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what is ninja?

Ninja means it acts but is invisible to watches and tracks. I suspect you knew that though.

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So yeah...

Going with scum having power it would be between you and Noraa or DGB or JV or Vax. The kill being stopped means that a VT claim lied and is a protective or scum killed Flea or G is scum.

I kinda think there’s a secret protective still maybe but I may be silly.

If I am silly it’s in Vax or G and since G is VT it has to be Vax. I just don’t see scum having a useless PGO to counter this.

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Is likely VT* they rolecopped vanilla

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ninja

I linked the wiki.

If you’re town please use it. It answers a lot of stuff that’s come up

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I am going to go play Cyberpunk now but I really think y’all are laying it on thick.

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My exact theory is DGB is roleblock ing scum who bussed
Noraa is ninja
And if 4 scum to balance power G is second goon

How do you explain the single kill last night then, given the PGO? Are you thinking that scum no-killed here to frame G? Seems odd to turn down a free kill on a mason+ just to maaaaybe frame someone

I think scum either submitted a kill on Flea or someone is protective lying.

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I think if vax is town, something definitely happened to the nk. Either a secret protective, masons, or DGB.

If DGB is lying, then protective or masons.

Scum don't no kill here imo.

I agree it seems unlikely and sub-optimal, but it is still possible.

I think the optimal townplay here is vote in Vax/G and play this game at face value, at least in the short term. If scum want to turn down kills on PRs then we can have some free investigations, and get closer to a mechanical solve

Then it would be Vax in that as G would be unlikely to do the kill.

I just don’t scumread him and I scumread G a lot more

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Then it would be Vax in that as G would be unlikely to do the kill.

Why would G be unlikely to do the kill? I've just checked DGB's ISO and she does not mention her intended target for last night anywhere

1) They’re vanilla
2) I suggested G be blocked in thread.

I don’t think scum have two goons against what we know. I just don’t.

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If I have to pick I pick Vax but I still stand by this is ugly.

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I don’t get whatever you all are saying two goons is fine
When it’s not even fine in the newbie queue.

I will hammer Vax if it comes down to it.

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Please avoid neon I can’t read it

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Wanna post thoughts?

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My thoughts are basically yours and moms. But here we go

Can you like summarize your thoughts? We diverge.

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When you reference "g" im assuming you ae referring to guil?

Yes I post on mobile usually so I shorthand names.

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@Math what is the specific question you needed to make to Vaxkiller?

Like he's been here and you are yet to ask him.

Describe the message you got. Paint a picture with your words.

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Sorry a little under the weather I forgot. Thanks.

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Please avoid neon I can’t read it

Yes! We can send secret messages without Math reading mwahahahaha

Please stop this.

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@math. I never got the official msg. He sent a msg saying there was a mistake, I should have received a picnic basket last night, and he understood if I was mad at him. I sent back no worries, because hey, we all make mistakes. I thought about asking for the official msg, but I'm pretty sure fruit vendor roles just say " you received fruitname" do....

Describe the basket. Was a paragraph over wordy? Or was there something unique?

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@math. I never got the official msg. He sent a msg saying there was a mistake, I should have received a picnic basket last night, and he understood if I was mad at him. I sent back no worries, because hey, we all make mistakes. I thought about asking for the official msg, but I'm pretty sure fruit vendor roles just say " you received fruitname" do....

Describe the basket. Was a paragraph over wordy? Or was there something unique?

I never got the "official msg" so I'm not sure if it would have been wordy or not, but I could ask for it. No other descriptors for picnic basket were used in the apology/mistake msg I was sent. What I wrote before is about the best I could paraphrase what I was sent.

I think you’re lying. The mod would give you the simple message. You’re missing a very accurate image of what it should be. I bet you if you were telling the truth you’d be able to tell me if the basket was open or closed or what color it was something.

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Intent to hammer.

Anyone who wants to get in something has 8 hours

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I want the hammer.

Math vote.
UNVOTE:

I will wait for Vax to say stuff tho.

Not happening.

Conf town always controls hammers to make sure day ends when town wants it.
I don’t buy the mod not sending the message with the apology.

Put your vote back.

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I mean it’s something very simple.

You should be able to describe what you see.

It’s kinda like a double edged sword. I don’t believe you’d lie about the mod sending you a message but I also don’t believe you can’t explain what you see. By play you’re town but something is off.

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I mean it’s something very simple.

You should be able to describe what you see.

It’s kinda like a double edged sword. I don’t believe you’d lie about the mod sending you a message but I also don’t believe you can’t explain what you see. By play you’re town but something is off.

That's not it at all. The mod msgd me and apology and said I should have received a picnic basket last night. There were other words in there, but it was just apology stuff. There were no descriptions. I asked him if he could send me the actual msg I should have received but I have not heard back yet.

Fair enough. Ask him for the message as that was the entire point of Flea targeting you was to prove PGO. He checks the game every day or so so if by tomorrow you haven’t described it then I’d have no choice but to elim you. But if you can demonstrate that you got it and can see the picture I am going for then I think we have time to pivot to G.

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It's not that I can't explain it, there is nothing to explain.

Also this is a tough spot that the mod is in at the moment. It's quite clear there was a mistake made, and if he made another mistake by not sending additional flavor with the msg I got, its only further confirmation of my townness. Does he send that info? Like what would you do with a double mistake? Maybe he sent more flavor with previous msgs, but wasnt really supposed to?

Anyway, math you need to lay out fades for town before you off me. I still believe Nora and Infinity (but less so with infinity) are scum by play. Guil I guess is scum by mechanics?

If we assume you’re town it’s Nora+G or Nora+DGB imho

When kill failed G+Nora start day distancing is viable

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It's not that I can't explain it, there is nothing to explain.

Also this is a tough spot that the mod is in at the moment. It's quite clear there was a mistake made, and if he made another mistake by not sending additional flavor with the msg I got, its only further confirmation of my townness. Does he send that info? Like what would you do with a double mistake? Maybe he sent more flavor with previous msgs, but wasnt really supposed to?

Anyway, math you need to lay out fades for town before you off me. I still believe Nora and Infinity (but less so with infinity) are scum by play. Guil I guess is scum by mechanics?

It is really a tough spot but it’s really a catch 22. I really think you’re town. I do.

It’s just mechanically something is off. I can’t assume the mod is lying as a player.

Do you understand my problem?

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If I had to guess, math or mom received a picnic basket. When they did there was probably lots of extra stuff int here. I'm sure Nero had fun with it and wrote some bear puns. Then when Nero sent the apology msg to me about how I was supposed to get a picnic basket last night, Nero didn't think anything of not adding flavor to it, because hey, flavor doesn't mean anything, but to math it was a conformation of it happening.

Nope no bear puns. Keep trying. I will wait 24 hours in case you can see the view. Or how few words you’d need.

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What should the mod do? Send me a msg with flavor to fix his mistake and make me a confirmed town? It's a catch 22 for him too. I'm sure he is discussing it with other mods.

Nope.

He’d give you what Mom or I got.

You’d see the picture I am aiming for.

Hopefully he does because if you’re scum I gotta reevaluate some stuff overnight

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I will hold off. It’s kinda a shitty situation either way. It sucks.

Kinda thinking maybe Nora+G when I originally thought Nora+DGB.

But if you can’t square things up for me thing you gotta be the elim.

What I am saying should make a lot of sense if the mod gives you what you’re missing.

If he doesn’t and you’re town sorry post game.

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No one cc'ed the fruit vend so it does mean that Flea had to have visited Vax yeah?

It matters for if Vax is scum who his buddies are and if scum shot Flea.

If Vax is town it also matters.

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Could also mean DGB blocked Flea and Vax is lying to cover it up.

Lots of things.

It has value