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Fourth vote count
Josh Lyman (6): MacavityLock, imaginality, Budja, Fuzzyman, Chinaman, BloodCovenent
Fuzzyman (1): Snow_Bunny
Snow_Bunny (1): jasonT1981
Budja (1): Josh Lyman
Not voting (3): ConfidAnon, Netopalis, Locke Lamora
7 to lynch
I'm assuming that's your alt, BC?Last edited by ortolan on Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.-
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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Budja's 70 is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. 1) Budja's vote on Fuzzy was clearly not random, as he quite specifically explained why he voted. So, why was this vote opportunistic? 2) You said that you consider Fuzzy voting No Lynch a scumtell. Why didn't you examine the context of said vote? As Budja said, and I agree with, it was very clearly an attempt to leave the RVs.Snow_Bunny wrote:
When you throw in a random vote in a forming serious wagon, you are just being opportunistic.MacavityLock wrote:
Why not?Snow_Bunny wrote:@Budja: Your vote might be just a bit more than a random vote, but still, it is there. I don't like "I random voted in a wagon!" either.
Please explain, as currently I am not understanding what you want to ask me (and neither how that question has any relation with what you quoted.)MacavityLock wrote:
Does context play any role in your scumhunting?Snow_Bunny wrote:Why do I think fuzzy voted for a no-lynch? The hell I know. I only know that he did something I consider a scumtell. And that's enough.
Snow_Bunny, on another note, we've now had a player do the same wagon-jumping as Budja, only far more egregious. Chinamanrandom-voted Fuzzy on page 1 (4th vote), and has now jumped to the Lyman-wagon (5th vote). SB, is this opportunistic? Is it scummy? Is it scummier than Budja? Why haven't you commented on it?
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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Take a look at Chinaman's Fuzzy-vote post. It's quite clear that Chinaman had no legitimate stated reason for it, therefore I called it random. I obviously don't know his actual reason for the vote, but of course there probably is one. The point I was trying to make is that between Budja's Fuzzy-vote and Chinaman's, Chinaman's should be more likely to triggerBloodCovenent wrote:
How does some one's random vote happen to be the fourth vote on some one?MacavityLock wrote: Chinamanrandom-voted Fuzzy on page 1 (4th vote)Snow_Bunny wrote:When you throw in a random vote in a forming serious wagon, you are just being opportunistic.-
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p15 was indeed random and meant to be funny due to this game. L-3 means the same to me as L-6 so I didn't think much of SB getting onto Budja for his. Now that you point it out though Mac, your point makes sense.
on the other hand...
Budja's p83 has a slight feel for buddying up to Mac.
My vote on JL will remain till he shows back up and has caught up. I am not willing to remove it just because he's at L-1. Would give the idea that someone could just stop posting to get out from under the spotlight. I will however ask that nobody hammer him till he's had a chance to do what he said he will do.ShowSo...are you for good, or for AWESOME!?
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Budja's 83 misses BloodCovenant's point as I see it, which is not that all the votes on Josh are opportunistic, just that (BC thinks) Budja's one in particular is. It's not hypocritical for BC to think that Josh is scum and Budja might be bussing him, and to vote Josh."holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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This post has something for you:MacavityLock wrote:
Budja's 70 is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. 1)Budja's vote on Fuzzy was clearly not random,as he quite specifically explained why he voted. So, why was this vote opportunistic?
It was NOT clearly random. Either that, or Budja is lying at his convenience. Opportunistic in either case.Budja wrote: @Snow,my vote on fuzzy was only a bit better than a random vote.Josh's wagon is superior so I changed. I changed because I agreed with Macavity's case.
You can believe that, but I'm not 100% sure. I say no-lynch votes are bad almost always, you say that there's no problem with that one.MacavityLock wrote: 2) You said that you consider Fuzzy voting No Lynch a scumtell. Why didn't you examine the context of said vote? As Budja said, and I agree with, it was very clearly an attempt to leave the RVs.
I didn't notice that (possibly because I'm getting a better vibe from his posts than from Budja's). But now that you mention it, it is quite opportunistic. However, I still find Budja the scummiest. His contradiction on his stance regarding Fuzzy's vote ("a bit better than random" and "was weak, but not random"), the questions he asks to different players (I find this a common tactic among scum), opportunistic, and general scum vibe are the major points against him.MacavityLock wrote:Snow_Bunny, on another note, we've now had a player do the same wagon-jumping as Budja, only far more egregious. Chinamanrandom-voted Fuzzy on page 1 (4th vote), and has now jumped to the Lyman-wagon (5th vote). SB, is this opportunistic? Is it scummy? Is it scummier than Budja? Why haven't you commented on it?
(By the way, welcome BC.)Taking a long break from mafia games.
In honor of Erika Furudo, my first scum win (Umineko Mafia).-
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SB: I think your missing one important thing here. You DID ask us for more votes on Fuzzy. Did you expect that not to happen? I mean, you're a girl and I'm a nerd (a married one luckily, but still). I do what girls tell me to do and it's possible others do too?
*Girls dig that right?*
All kidding aside, part of your prosecution of Budja is for doing as you told him. You do have other points on him though, so I'm not going to say your being hypocritical at this point, but I think what we need to do at this point is A: wait for JL to respond to his wagon and B: really weigh who is the scummier. I personally am not getting a huge scum reading on Budja, but I've been known to be wrong before.ShowSo...are you for good, or for AWESOME!?
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"a bit better than random" = "was weak, but not random".Snow wrote:His contradiction on his stance regarding Fuzzy's vote ("a bit better than random" and "was weak, but not random")
Further clarification: better than random means not random but not strong either.
My "opportunism" is misjudged, and since when is asking questions scummy?
(I know I said I wouldn't but I can't help myself).
Lets not narrow down our options here.China wrote:B: really weigh who is the scummier.
Eh, true I guess.imaginality wrote:Budja's 83 misses BloodCovenant's point as I see it, which is not that all the votes on Josh are opportunistic, just that (BC thinks) Budja's one in particular is. It's not hypocritical for BC to think that Josh is scum and Budja might be bussing him, and to vote Josh.-
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Well, specifically I felt that this post was more of an overreaction. Mostly from noob-scum. I don't see noob town speaking so confident about something that would be at the worst a null-tell, but in my opinion it's more of a town tell.Locke Lamora wrote:Would still very much like it if Josh could answer my question.
BC: if you would like either of them lynched, why Josh instead of Budja? Do you think Josh is just more scummy?
But I also find Budja scummy because of how fast he jumped on the wagon with little questioning. And in this post he says that Fuzzy's post came off as forced, well not the post but the whole gambit. Which it really wasn't, Fuzzy would have to explain his actions at one point in time, it just felt a little early from my point of view.-
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I got my role PM several hours prior to this post. I hesitate to be more precise in order to avoid a modkill for quoting mod communications.Locke Lamora wrote:I find Josh's appeal for mass-prods particularly odd. Josh, did you receive your role at the same time as the thread was opened? I certainly didn't get my role PM 9 days ago, so unless you were given yours a lot earlier, how do you justify trying to draw attention to players for not posting when the game hadn't even begun?
But about two reality days had passed prior to my requesting prods. Other than this one question for me in two posts (compared to my fifteen), do you have any other scumhunting to do? Perhaps not. Perhaps you're actively lurking.[/url]-
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In that case, are all self votes and no lynch votes in the RVS, specifically given from scum? And are they really anti-town even though they yield information and start discussion? I can't see scum-fuzzy doing it because it would attract too much attention at him, like it did on page 1. Most town players do not have much to lose, that's why in actions taken like fuzzy's, it only makes sense for town-fuzzy to have done it.Budja wrote:@BC, I saw it as possibly scum attempting to perform a townie action, removing the risk early is a bit over-cautious.-
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I wouldn't say itBloodCovenant, post 97 wrote:Most town players do not have much to lose, that's why in actions taken like fuzzy's, it only makes sense for town-fuzzy to have done it.onlymakes sense for town to do it - scum don't have to fear page 1 attention too much either. Especially given your point (which I agree with) that it's not particularly anti-town anyhow.
I see that kind of early-game gambit as being something akin to the quizzes that other players use to get out of the 'random vote stage'. Instead of "Question 1: What do you think of no-lynch votes?" it's "Here's a no-lynch vote for ya. What do ya think about this?""holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy
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