@DDD:
Anyways, it’s a touch sad that Kairyuu spent presumably all that time putting together than massive all of text after I already conceded the argument. But considering all the grief he’s given me it’s not all that sad.
It's ok. You can let the tears flow. I don't mind. You don't have to hide your sorrow.
Furthermore, I dislike the whole arguments about mafia not being a game of numbers when it clearly can be. Just because you prefer the psychological bent of the game, doesn’t invalidate the numerical/logical style, but all of that is neither here nor there.
I propose we move this to MD after the game is over. Agreed?
If I was scum I see two basic explanations for my actions: one, there are multiple scum and I was bussing a partner in crime. This of course means that I was basically trying to hand over a massive advantage on day one when it simply wouldn’t have been necessary. Considering my ill-fated argument revolved around increasing a first day lynch percentage, it doesn’t quite fit that I’d simply hand away a ~15% advantage for no reason. Second, if I was scum I’d be trying to lynch a townie, but as everyone noted if the plan had occurred and datadanne had flipped town then my ass would’ve been in the fire even more than it was. Neither course of action makes real great sense as scum.
This could very well be the exact type of spotlight WIFOM that Artem snowed me with in C9++ (mini normal, can't remember what number). You could make this exact argument D2 after getting us to lynch a townie (assuming data town) and it would apply just as much as it does now.
Even disregarding the motives, simply posting such an argument runs contrary to how I understand to and attempt to best play scum, I even acknowledged in post 50 that I was expecting to draw questions and flak. There’s no reason for scum to do something as blatant as that when I could’ve sat back and picked an easy target for easy reasons instead of making life that hard on myself. All in all, the post doesn’t make sense from the perspective of scum.
See above, but that isn't to say I don't agree with you. Logically speaking your idea is pro-scum in nature with an easy WIFOM defense available to you. I know I wouldn't have a problem drawing flak on myself as scum if I thought I could get away with it. However, statistically you are arguing from solid ground right now. I'll think on it, and I may unvote.
Null-tell, everyone should be jumpy at L-1 to a certain extent and both pro-town players and scum players should generally try to avoid being lynched.
If you are town you should make your argument in your defense and then allow people to decide if they believe you or not. Calling for an unvote before your explanation implies that you are afraid of the position you are/were in. If you are town then I don't see why you shouldn't be confident that you can prove your towniness and avert your lynch. After all, there should be nothing you've done that you can't explain.
It’s also foolish and more than a little anti-town to say definitively that you won’t be unvoting.
Read my wiki. I tend not to move my vote around much. Until I see someone scummier than you it is unlikely that I will shift it. That's just my style.
First off, it makes it seem as if you’re unwilling to hear any further discussion on the matter, which runs contrary to your information valuing meta. Furthermore, if a better target comes along are you stuck still voting me because you don’t want to seem a hypocrite or does your vote actually move then and makes you a liar?
Thank you for putting words in my mouth and strawmanning. Please point out where I said I wanted you lynched immediately (cutting of discussion) and also where I said that I will never move my vote, regardless of other developments.
@ortolan:
No but seriously, why did you want that claim so prematurely?
L-1 is not premature. Also, early wagons to claims rarely happen anymore, and of the older games where I've seen them they tend to work well to increase the likelihood of D1 scumlynch. Besides, current meta states that L-1 = claim time. I'll not apologize for calling for it.
Also, explain your reasons for your vote.
@VP:
After making my original post I quickly realized that my math was wrong because it only factored in there being one scum. I have no idea how many there are, but you guys are most likely closer to being correct at 25% than I am. Guess it is best to think things through before posting.
Gotcha. No big deal.
@data:
unvote
and
vote: Datadanne
Post content. Now.
Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.
Guess it is best to think things through before posting.
