Open 135 - Polygamist Mafia, Incomplete/Mod Error before 775

[zwetschenwasser]

Seraphim revealed that Tenchi has a gun...

[PieIsPopcorn]

Not really. Any reason for the unvote? He wasn't in any immediate danger.

Correct, but I detest random bandwagons and the RVS in general. I feel what I stated in my above post, that the bandwagon, that seems to be based on nothing in particular, will do little good besides Tenchi claiming a Lover (He could fakeclaim, of course, but we would have little evidence of such to begin with), which I don't believe would be particularly beneficial to the town. I fail to see any benefit that a random wagon gives us in this game, simply because we'll have no way of knowing if Polygamists are fakeclaiming lovers, or if we have legitimate lover claims. It may also put pressure on Techi, but at the moment he has absolutely nothing to defend against, so the pressure will be weak at best. I'd prefer to wait until I see something legitimately scummy to vote, and potentially for a bandwagon to form.

[zwetschenwasser]

Seraphim revealed that Tenchi has a gun...

[PieIsPopcorn]

Seraphim revealed that Tenchi has a gun...

Disclaimer: flavor has absolutely no indicators of anything. Just for shits and giggles.

It was rather obviously part of a joke. I was random-voting, unaware that you had already voted him, and that Wall-E would follow my vote.

[zwetschenwasser]

Liar.

Unvote; Vote: PieIsPopcorn

[PieIsPopcorn]

Liar.

Unvote; Vote: PieIsPopcorn

How am I lying?

... Woah, that's what I get for not hitting the preview button.

I spent some time typing up my post, and then posted it, unaware that there had been a few posts since my initial one, and that you had already voted Tenchi.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why is Pie still alive?

[Seraphim]

Vote Count:

Tenchi(1)

- Wall-E

PieIsPopcorn(1)

- zwetschenwasser

Not Voting(10)

- Sekinj, AceMarksman, Gregory, AndyTony, Tenchi, mykonian, mikek, Archon, ortolan, PieIsPopcorn

Current Deadline:

April 29th, 20:00 Central Time

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

[Tenchi]

Agreeing with 46.

Vote: Tenchi

L-4

As expected. :\

[Archon]

It began simply.

Twelve persons of questionable integrity and sexual standing

stood upon a small hill as the sun rose. At first, they merely stared each other, frightened that any move might motivate the mob...that they may be lynched unjustly and lose their only love...or that they might be lynched rightly...

This made me laugh so hard.

Why is Pie still alive?

Wait... are you seriously asking that?

unvote, Vote zwet

[PieIsPopcorn]

Why is Pie still alive?

Explain to me where I lied zwet, and we can discuss it. This accomplishes nothing.

Why is Pie still alive?

Wait... are you seriously asking that?

unvote, Vote zwet

Have you played with zwet before Archon?

[sekinj]

pie seems a little nervous...

@Pie - have YOU played with zwet before?

Zwet is like a harmless little puppy... with a loaded gun...

[PieIsPopcorn]

pie seems a little nervous...

Really? I don't see where that interpretation comes from, and I'm pretty good at reading the tone of my posts. I'm a tad confused, but not nervous.

@Pie - have YOU played with zwet before?

I am currently playing with zwet in an ongoing game, and seeing more or less the exact same behavior. The sample may be tainted however.

Zwet is like a harmless little puppy... with a loaded gun...

That's not a horrible analogy, but I still feel that zwet shouldn't be allowed to make claims and then not be pressed to back them up, even in the early stages of the game. I stand by this-

Keeping an eye on wagons and the reasoning for votes should be a main priority throughout.

And that is impossible if players like zwet don't provide logic and reasoning to go with their votes. I don't feel that it's particularly scummy for zwet, so I'm not voting him for it. However it's still frustrating behavior, in my opinion.

[Tenchi]

Not really. Any reason for the unvote? He wasn't in any immediate danger.

I fail to see any benefit that a random wagon gives us in this game, simply because we'll have no way of knowing if Polygamists are fakeclaiming lovers,

Isn't this an open setup? Polygamists can ONLY claim lovers right?

... or if we have legitimate lover claims.

Most of us have legitimate lover claims. And it can be cross confirmed. The thing is, the polygamists will surely find some pairing for the four of them to claim, but we all know those four like doing it together behind our backs...

[Archon]

Why is Pie still alive?

Explain to me where I lied zwet, and we can discuss it. This accomplishes nothing.

Why is Pie still alive?

Wait... are you seriously asking that?

unvote, Vote zwet

Have you played with zwet before Archon?

No, but it was like... what?

pie seems a little nervous...

@Pie - have YOU played with zwet before?

Zwet is like a harmless little puppy... with a loaded gun...

http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/dont-shoot-the-puppy/

[PieIsPopcorn]

Not really. Any reason for the unvote? He wasn't in any immediate danger.

I fail to see any benefit that a random wagon gives us in this game, simply because we'll have no way of knowing if Polygamists are fakeclaiming lovers,

Isn't this an open setup? Polygamists can ONLY claim lovers right?

I should have said it more clearly. They won't fakeclaim lovers persay, they'll claim lover pairs. So yeah, they'll claim lovers. However we won't be able to tell, through a random bandwagon, whether or not such a lover claim is legitimate, and it would therefore not be particularly useful to the town.

... or if we have legitimate lover claims.

Most of us have legitimate lover claims. And it can be cross confirmed. The thing is, the polygamists will surely find some pairing for the four of them to claim, but we all know those four like doing it together behind our backs...

Well, if the polygamists do the logical pairing, cross-confirming won't be an issue. In the same way, everybody in the game has a "legitimate" lover claim. Just replace "legitimate' with "pro-town", and it would be a more accurate summation.

[mikek]

So, what's the deal with zwet? He only posts one-line posts? Seems anti-town but if that's his usual style it's a null tell and we can't afford a policy lynch here.

Pie seems very twitchy. There's no need to flip out when someone gets to three random votes. It's seven to lynch. This was pretty funny:

pie seems a little nervous...

Really? I don't see where that interpretation comes from, and I'm pretty good at reading the tone of my posts. I'm a tad confused, but not nervous.

Nervous, much?

By the way, I'm pretty sure that we're going to massloverclaim before this day is up. This will provide us with useful info---it greatly reduces the number of possible combinations of players that could be polygamists, which makes it easier to analyse votes and such. I don't think it gets the polygamists much, either.

[Gregory]

will be gone untill monday

sorry guys

[mykonian]

till tuesday for me

[zwetschenwasser]

I was just playing with Pie, but he seems unusually jumpy about something. My vote stays.

[Tenchi]

I'm bored.

Vote: Pie

[AceMarksman]

By the way, I'm pretty sure that we're going to massloverclaim before this day is up.

The hell we are. What would be the advantage for a mass claim, eh? Everyone has a viable claim partner (including the polygamists), so it would only tell the polygamists who their best kill would be.

Vote: mikek

[Wall-E]

Not really. Any reason for the unvote? He wasn't in any immediate danger.

Correct, but I detest random bandwagons and the RVS in general. I feel what I stated in my above post, that the bandwagon, that seems to be based on nothing in particular, will do little good besides Tenchi claiming a Lover (He could fakeclaim, of course, but we would have little evidence of such to begin with), which I don't believe would be particularly beneficial to the town. I fail to see any benefit that a random wagon gives us in this game, simply because we'll have no way of knowing if Polygamists are fakeclaiming lovers, or if we have legitimate lover claims. It may also put pressure on Techi, but at the moment he has absolutely nothing to defend against, so the pressure will be weak at best. I'd prefer to wait until I see something legitimately scummy to vote, and potentially for a bandwagon to form.

Four of us have three friends who won't let one of their own die. Under any circumstances. Your fear of the Tenchi wagon (bussing in the RVS?) is noted. Having strong emotions about a particular course of events in mafia is anti-town, because every scenario is helpful in different ways, so hating RVS bandwagons is both irrational and counterproductive.

[Wall-E]

Personally I don't see Pie as jumpy, just upset at the speed with which the bandwagon formed on Tenchi. As for me, I tend to err on the side of risky plays, so I like a good early-game wagon, but certainly I know that not everyone is like me and Pie's caution is therefore justified (even if faked to cover jumpiness).

I'd also like to point out that it's possible Pie was bussing his partner to keep the scum off his trail? He seems to be the only one who was concerned with Tenchi's life.

Tenchi's vote on him would suggest otherwise, though, and if they are not partners I don't think Pie is scum. Tenchi wouldn't have pushed the distancing further with his vote.

Unvote: Vote: Tenchi

Hi Tenchi!

[Tenchi]