Newbie 838 (Game Over!)

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Hey, replacing Hulk. Give me a few hours and I'll introduce myself properly.

[My Milked Eek]

Going to post tonight
The vla expanded until last night, sorry.

[startransmission]

Ok, I'll have to make this brief as I have to truck off to work. I'll post something more substantial in a few hours.

Hey Guys,
Can I just ask everybody, what sort of expeience you have at playing Mafia?

I've played about 6 games here and am in the middle of Newbie 817 as we speak. I also play some large theme games at another site.

"we are no longer in RVS" pie

"please be an active poster" salad

and, my personal favorite,

"feel free to post something that would promote town discussion" flavored ice cream.

I don't see how RVS is over.

Will do... honestly my posting usually goes way up at the end of day 1 and into day 2, but you'll be hearing plenty from me.

I plan to.

[My Milked Eek]

Let me see if I can dig an example out of my finished games.

yes please do; experience from previous games is always a good thing.

I'll hold off on responding to the rest of your RVS argument till then, since getting an actual example of a town ending the RVS would be way more clear than trying to argue about whether it's possible or how it could be done.

It's one of my newbies I IC'd, I'll get to it later because I need to catch up in some topics.

"ending the rvs"? What are you talking about?

Reasons for not posting:

no idea where to go from here

waiting on the MME/shark debate

I've got nothing to add ._."

Our little "debate" appears to be nothing more than a theory discussion. I see no need to wait for it.

Happy with my vote.

The only thing that really sticks out to me as suspicious is rusty's line about scum making mistakes. I think Echo put it best when he said that's one of those lines that scum would say to make themselves seem increidbly pro-town. But it's also such a small thing that if rusty doesn't give us more scumtells, he won't even be a suspect.

I agree, but as of yet, it's one of the few things we have to go on.

Also, seeing echo's comment that way, it would be a WIFOM argument by echo, which is pointless. Also, the comment itself would not be WIFOM. It

would

be suspicious, though.

Not following, don't you mean rusty?

MME: are you happy that the RVS seems to have finished so quickly, and that people are posting?

This is not quickly, especially not since the game has been moving slower than a snail on weed. Can I ask you what the point of this question is?

unvote

not rvs anymore, so yeah.

I don't like posts and unvotes like these.

Ive played a few times on another forum.

Hi. Perhaps you could post something of more relevance. Comment on rusty, echo and ray please.

[purple princess]

Welcome startransmission

@ RayFrost, why are you so concerned about rvs? Just let it run it's course, once we have more to go on people will change their votes to who the think is scum. I don't really think you can put a time limit on rvs.

[Carrick16]

Ive played a few times on another forum.

Hi. Perhaps you could post something of more relevance. Comment on rusty, echo and ray please.

Rustyshark - Extremely shaky first post which points towards him being a goon unless he has friggin aspergers syndrome.

Echo - No real signs from him so far from what i see

Rayfrost - Over eager guy

There isnt really that much to say, the threads been so quiet, ive been a bit busy and I was expecting more to go over when I returned to post.

[rustyshark]

unvote

not rvs anymore, so yeah.

I don't like posts and unvotes like these.

Exactly my point. The only way a "random" vote can be helpful is if it has at least

some

amount of non-randomness to it, which means that voting/unvoting

just

because of the rvs is a bad idea.

[RayFrost]

The only thing that really sticks out to me as suspicious is rusty's line about scum making mistakes. I think Echo put it best when he said that's one of those lines that scum would say to make themselves seem increidbly pro-town. But it's also such a small thing that if rusty doesn't give us more scumtells, he won't even be a suspect.

MME: the echo comment stuff was in response to this post by bigmc.

Welcome startransmission

@ RayFrost, why are you so concerned about rvs? Just let it run it's course, once we have more to go on people will change their votes to who the think is scum. I don't really think you can put a time limit on rvs.

>.< To be honest, the RVS is making me feel like a hunting dog being held by the leash. It's so limiting...

To be honest, I think I much prefer replacing into games over being in them from the start =/ the rvs is not for me, mentally.

@ MME: I'm not sure if I said this already, but the debate would be of value for getting to know both your and rustyshark's mindset (which would allow an understanding of your logic, which provides a basis to see logical contradictions in the future). Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Currently, I'm in a rush to get out of the RVS because I feel constrained, which bothers me like an itch I just can't make go away. I guess I'm just impatient like that.

[startransmission]

So does anyone

else

have an opinion on the RVS? It would help to get as much knowledge and experience on the subject as possible, while we're still in that area of the game.

Let me see if I can dig an example out of my finished games.

yes please do; experience from previous games is always a good thing.

I'll hold off on responding to the rest of your RVS argument till then, since getting an actual example of a town ending the RVS would be way more clear than trying to argue about whether it's possible or how it could be done.

RVS is (IMO) a good way to get chatter going and hopefully get a grasp on peoples alignments. RVS ends when a player or a topic (other than the RVS itself) becomes the subject of debate, and the random thing is no longer necessary to drive conversation.

Since you asked for an example here is an example of me ending the RVS in another game,

I completely forgot this website existed, to be honest. I don't even lurk (and yes I am dangerous don't fuck with me bro).

Also, I'm still keeping my vote for iamausername, because he is mean, and talks a lot. Sounds like scum to me.

You completely forgot the website existed? So you /in for nexted... replied promptly to your role PM (as we all did, which is a good sign for the game) and then up and forgot that the website even existed? And as soon as a vote is cast against you all of a sudden remember that you're playing this game and respond to it? Not buying it- and if that's you being "honest" I can't trust you. In my book you went from quiet to being both an active lurker and a liar.

So, I'm gonna fuck with you bro...

Unvote: Jeromus

Vote: BagSquad

A bandwagon against BagSquad quickly formed, debates took place, bagsquad was replaced etc. RVS was over.

But this discussion about RVS isn't really doing us any favors in finding scum... and it being page 2 it's time to move on from this topic.

Quickie player analysis-

rustyshark- I agree that the end of his post 30 has a whiff of WIFOM to it, as well as a quick blurb in 41. Otherwise all posts are regarding RVS. @rustyshark can you please get an avatar?

MME- Our illustrious IC. I like what I'm seeing so far. It's been my experience that IC's usually Mod as well, and have many games going at once. Therefore their activity is limited, but MME has been active and helpful. If I have one criticism it would be that the RVS discussion should have been nipped in the bud on page 1. But hey, it has created dialogue.

Carrick16- Not much to read into. Has only posted three times, not including his confirmation post... his most recent post indicates that he may be a player that is responsive to questions, which I hope is the case.

Hulk- My predecessor. Not much to say, a newbie that apparently asked to be replaced. He garnered a couple random votes, which distressingly have yet to be removed.

RayFrost- Seems to be a chipper fellow. I like activity, and it appears we'll get plenty from him. I'm aggravated that he introduced (and kept alive) the RVS discussion. I don't like him asking the IC to initiate the RVS, but I'll chalk it up as him wanting the IC to take the lead. He is accused of being a little overeager, and I agree. Nothing inherently wrong with that though.

bigMC109- Hasn't posted much. His most substantive post was 45, and I agree with everything he had to say there- though I think he was a bit harsh on rustyshark.

purple princess- Has been fairly quiet so far. I like that she asks questions, and I like her post 40.

Echo- Also hasn't posted much. Pointed out rustysharks WIFOM comment, and has asked a couple of questions that have no real importance to the game.

Crunchi- Almost no content. A vote for PP and that's about it. Eligible for prod.

So, that's all I got. We're pretty early into this, and there's little to dissect. That the bulk of the conversation has been about peoples opinions on the RVS doesn't help. If anyone has any questions for me I'd be glad to answer them.

[bigmc109]

I guess a good question at this point would be who is your biggest suspect. But there's so little to go on that the answer is almost meaningless.

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I guess a good question at this point would be who is your biggest suspect. But there's so little to go on that the answer is almost meaningless.

Yeah, I can't point to anybody being especially scummy. I guess I'm stuck picking on lurkers.

Vote: Crunchi

She may end up getting replaced, but if she's watching and not posting she needs the pressure.

[Crunchi]

Aww, voted already.

I just had nothing to say really, figured I'd post when I got something.

In any case, I might as well <b>unvote</b>.

[purple princess]

I just had nothing to say really, figured I'd post when I got something.

This could also be seen as lurking though.

[My Milked Eek]

Aww, voted already.

I just had nothing to say really, figured I'd post when I got something.

In any case, I might as well <b>unvote</b>.

I guess she was watching. Any reason to your lurking?

[startransmission]

This could also be seen as lurking though.

That's because that's exactly what it is. She didn't post for close to five days, and within a couple of hours of having gotten a vote she shows up. That's classic lurking, and my vote sticks.

@Crunchi, why did you unvote PP? It seems like a gesture to garner goodwill.

[purple princess]

This seems like such a slow pace game at the moment, would you mind if I asked some questions to get the conversation started?

@ rustyshark & Carrick16; What is your favorite role to play in mafia?

@ starttransmission & RayFrost; How would you decsribe your game play?

@ Crunchi & bigmc109; Do you believe that any information can be found within the random voting stage?

@ Echo & My Milked Eek; What is your opinion on lurkers? are they always scum?

[RayFrost]

I would describe my game play as... my game play ._."

I don't really have my gameplay set in stone yet, and I probably wouldn't be sure how to describe it anyway. At least, for starting the game out kind of thing...

For replacing in, you could probably just meta me from ongoing games and newbie 815. My usual is to type an analysis post covering everything of relevance in the game so far, ranking each player from scum to town in my personal reads. (and I am annnoyed that I got quick lynched for scum victory in NG816, PP... impatience is not a virtue)

Since this is my first game where I didn't replace in... I'm unsure of what my game play will be like and how it'll be different from my replacement game play. I'll probably know a few games of it from now

[Crunchi]

In any case, I might as well <b>unvote</b>.

lol, fail. Meaning

unvote

.

I guess she was watching. Any reason to your lurking?

like I said, didn't really have anything to say.. figured I'd wait till a conversation I can partake in starts.

That's because that's exactly what it is. She didn't post for close to five days, and within a couple of hours of having gotten a vote she shows up. That's classic lurking, and my vote sticks.

@Crunchi, why did you unvote PP? It seems like a gesture to garner goodwill.

I unvoted because I find random voting to be pointless, I only did it because.
Uh, no point in having a vote just because I dislike her icon though.. =/

@ Crunchi & bigmc109; Do you believe that any information can be found within the random voting stage?

No, not really. I found it pointless.

[bigmc109]

@ Crunchi & bigmc109; Do you believe that any information can be found within the random voting stage?

I think that by virtue there is always information in the RVS, and it ends when someone picks up on it.

[My Milked Eek]

@ Echo & My Milked Eek; What is your opinion on lurkers? are they always scum?

No, they're not always scum. Obviously. But they should be dealt with either way.

I guess she was watching. Any reason to your lurking?

like I said, didn't really have anything to say.. figured I'd wait till a conversation I can partake in starts.

Instead of waiting for others to do the job, why not participate and make it easier for us?

That's because that's exactly what it is. She didn't post for close to five days, and within a couple of hours of having gotten a vote she shows up. That's classic lurking, and my vote sticks.

@Crunchi, why did you unvote PP? It seems like a gesture to garner goodwill.

I unvoted because I find random voting to be pointless, I only did it because.
Uh, no point in having a vote just because I dislike her icon though.. =/

It is not entirely pointless. And I don't like the unvote either for the context of the unvote as pointed out by startransmission.

Unvote. Vote: Crunchi

[Carrick16]

This seems like such a slow pace game at the moment, would you mind if I asked some questions to get the conversation started?

@ rustyshark & Carrick16; What is your favorite role to play in mafia?

I enjoyed being the bodyguard.

[RayFrost]

This seems like such a slow pace game at the moment, would you mind if I asked some questions to get the conversation started?

@ rustyshark & Carrick16; What is your favorite role to play in mafia?

I enjoyed being the bodyguard.

What do you like about being the bodyguard? Dying?

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@ starttransmission & RayFrost; How would you decsribe your game play?

Ever evolving. With every game I complete I get a little more confident. I like to play with a certain aggressiveness... and I'm not quite where I want to be in that department.

I like getting involved in debates, they often require long frequent posts from two parties, and the weighing in of other players can be an excellent way to figure out alignments and possible alliances.

I dunno, after this game you tell me.

[Crunchi]

Instead of waiting for others to do the job, why not participate and make it easier for us?

Because it's easier for me.

[Crunchi]

It is not entirely pointless. And I don't like the unvote either for the context of the unvote as pointed out by startransmission.

Unvote. Vote: Crunchi

But I don't really suspect PP of being mafia, I only voted to be part of the rvs, I'd rather keep my vote off until I find someone.

rustyshark's

"So come on, you scum out there. Start making mistakes so we can lynch you."

made me think he might be, but then a big deal was made out of it and it lost it's sparkle.

startransmission seems to turn everything scum related, which makes it seem like he's scum, but maybe he's just being active.

Up till now I see no reason for purple princess, therefore no reason to keep a vote made randomly.