Open 189~Trouble@Warren State Mental Hosp (Over)

[HowardRoark]

I’m reading Vi town right now though

Okay, an initial town read with no real commital. No problem, IMHO.

I don't think many people could get confident reads by page 4.

You add the word "confident" thus modifying the topic.

If you play with another player often enough, it sometimes becomes that easy

My comment on confident page 4 reads.

And how often have Qoog and Vi played together would you say?

A fair question in-and-of itself.

I have no idea if Qooq and Vi have played any games together. I've never played with JDodge, yet I see him as town right now. So where does that put us?

My assertion that Qooq's read does not have to necessarily come from past experience.

Also, if you have no idea how many games they have played together, then how can you make a value judgement that it'd be easy for her to have a read on Vi based on past experience?

I didn't say Qooq's read on Vi was based on past experience. My post 98 point was quite the opposite. Two separate points: page four

confident

reads and page four

initial

reads.

[VP Baltar]

Well, my definition of confident is apparently different from yours. I would never call someone town on page 4. I think doing so means you are somewhat confident in your read...otherwise you wouldn't state it in thread.

Scum I would probably say early, probably, but even that is mostly for pressure and highly likely to change as more information comes in.

[HowardRoark]

If by "call someone town" you mean "extremely high probability", then I agree (even if there is prior game experience). I have no problem with having town reads on players (with or without prior experience) this early in a game. I equate it to early scum reads: not definite, but possible and develop-able.

Let's assume I state a town read ("early" or otherwise) on a player who is actually scum. Do you think that will possibly lower that player's guard and increase the possibility of a slip? (Theory -- not necessary here, but an interesting discussion to have at some point methinks.)

[Xdaamno]

Your question-filled posts, coupled with little follow up to said questions, are scummy. Gives off a strong "trying to look helpful & active" vibe. I also noticed that you didn't give much opinion on the wagon, yet you're asking everyone to comment on it.

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Try again.

It's also a stretch to say that your behaviour as town happens to be a good strategy for scum.

[crywolf20084]

Dodge and Vi seem serious while cayke and dizzy are prob just joking around. Correct me if im wrong.

It was at first an lol lets lynch daamno but his reaction to lynch had peeked my interest and especially the post where he says "I wish I could edit that" Makes me wonder what he wishes he could edit what would make the post before it seem better.

Thats about all i have to say right now. direct some questions if you want to pick at my mind some more.

[Hyl]

explain please

1) Xdaamno's wagon was pretty random so I didn't see anything significant in it. 2) Since Vi's initial vote, although "less-than-random", was pretty weak/random in itself, I thought Xdaamno's defense seemed unnecessary.

And the people who haven't added anything?

I dunno, who else hasn't added anything while posting as much as Izzy? After reading, Izzy's several small-content posts stuck out so I added it to my message.

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Oh, I have an opinion on it (which I'll get to here in a second), but I didn't know we're on a mandatory disclosure policy. Are we? No one asked my opinion, and I was gleaning much more information by not stating it.

No, I just thought it's weird to ask eight people to do something while not doing it yourself.

It's also a stretch to say that your behaviour as town happens to be a good strategy for scum.

Scum don't always make good strategies.

VPB, what extra information did you get my withholding your opinion?

[Hyl]

By*

[VP Baltar]

VPB, what extra information did you get my withholding your opinion?

Well, considering I think it's a somewhat meh wagon, I was able to watch the way other players were interacting with it (which is why I was asking for others' opinions on it) and try to figure out who was legit with their attacks, who was just being silly and who was trying to sneak on an easy wagon.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Dodge and Vi seem serious while cayke and dizzy are prob just joking around. Correct me if im wrong.

You're wrong. Consider yourself corrected.

@Dizzy-who are Xdaamno's scumbuddies?

This is what we are working on at the moment. But... slip noted.

[Otto Ulbreicht]

Sorry about missing out on the first couple of pages, time to start posting:

vote: vi

Easiest name to type, plus I feel Xdaamno needs some support, not more votes.

I see that the majority of you all seem to know each other quite well. As such i am hoping that you don't all have pre-game prejudiced when playing. Maybe xdaamno is scum looking at his posts where he's afraid to come across as scummy, but town can have that worry too. Could maybe those of you who know him best explain whether or not this is typical behaviour for him? Only when i see more posts or good explanations from other players will i consider changing my vote. Please jdodge, if you will, can you tell me what good we would get out of xdaamno's lynch, as in obvscum lynch, iioa lynch, etc?

[Vi]

vote: vi

...I feel Xdaamno needs some support, not more votes.

(...)

Only when i see more posts or good explanations from other players will i consider changing my vote.

I don't suppose you have a target in mind for who's scum, do you?

I'm looking forward to JDodge's response to you.

[Otto Ulbreicht]

I don't have a definite idea no, but then again we are only 5 pages in. I wish I were that good though lol.

[Vi]

I don't have a definite idea no, but then again we are only 5 pages in. I wish I were that good though lol.

I find that strange, considering your resistance to changing your vote from the person most associated with attacking Xdaamno.

Aside from ambiguously defending Xd, do you have any reads at all? Are you trying to get any reads?

[Vi]

EBWOP: If your vote on me is more for the short-name factor than for the unspoken Xdefensemno, then you're saying that the best you can do for finding scum after one hundred posts is a random vote, which means you don't have enough of an opinion on anyone to put down a reasoned vote... which I would find as suspect, as each player has offered a response to the Xdaamno wagon along with their reasoning.

[Xdaamno]

Vi's pushing it here. It sounds plausable that your mini-fallacies are because you're biased.

Vote: Vi

[Vi]

I will concede that votes in my direction get my attention, and that particular vote combined with the rest of the post seemed too coincidental to pass up mentioning.
However, as I mentioned in the EBWOP, Otto - like you - has gingerly stepped around saying anything at all.

[VP Baltar]

Oi, Xdaamno, answer my question in your next post or get my vote.

[crywolf20084]

I think i found Daamno's scumbuddy. *points at Otto*

[Xdaamno]

Obviously, I missed it...

Xdaamno, how would you compare your play here to that of Amnesiac Mafia?

I can't remember much about how I played in that game. I'm probably thinking things through more, but the dominating feeling that stopped me playing mafia - people never being willing, for one reason or another, to accept my logic - is still here.

[Xdaamno]

I will concede that votes in my direction get my attention, and that particular vote combined with the rest of the post seemed too coincidental to pass up mentioning.
However, as I mentioned in the EBWOP, Otto - like you - has gingerly stepped around saying anything at all.

What, about me? That's usually because I'm much more careful about saying anything wrong and more willing to put myself in other people's shoes. Less posts end up passing the litmus test.

[Vi]

I will concede that votes in my direction get my attention, and that particular vote combined with the rest of the post seemed too coincidental to pass up mentioning.
However, as I mentioned in the EBWOP, Otto - like you - has gingerly stepped around saying anything at all.

What, about me? That's usually because I'm much more careful about saying anything wrong and more willing to put myself in other people's shoes. Less posts end up passing the litmus test.

I used to play like that. It's great for surviving, but beyond terrible for finding scum. (So it worked to great effect when I was scum in Tofu Mafia.)

You mean to tell me there's nothing you have to say about anyone except me, and that in my response to Otto I went from "as likely as anyone to be Town" to "most likely to be scum"?

[HowardRoark]

@Dizzy-who are Xdaamno's scumbuddies?

This is what we are working on at the moment. But... slip noted.

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@Cat: Thoughts on . . . anything?!?!?

[Xdaamno]

I will concede that votes in my direction get my attention, and that particular vote combined with the rest of the post seemed too coincidental to pass up mentioning.
However, as I mentioned in the EBWOP, Otto - like you - has gingerly stepped around saying anything at all.

What, about me? That's usually because I'm much more careful about saying anything wrong and more willing to put myself in other people's shoes. Less posts end up passing the litmus test.

I used to play like that. It's great for surviving, but beyond terrible for finding scum. (So it worked to great effect when I was scum in Tofu Mafia.)

You mean to tell me there's nothing you have to say about anyone except me, and that in my response to Otto I went from "as likely as anyone to be Town" to "most likely to be scum"?

That's why I don't use it for finding scum. Durrrrr.

I'm not going to manufacture comments for your benefit, because it's not nessecary at this stage. I'm going to post about what interests me and make a point to go out of my way to sometimes ask probing questions, as I have been doing. This isn't optimal play - I'm just being transparent.

[Xdaamno]

Or should I say FOR THE TOWN'S BENEFIT HUH

[Vi]

This isn't optimal play - I'm just being transparent.

Promising suboptimal play and lying in the same sentence doesn't become you.