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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:26 am

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Gyah, I thought OF was probably town but now Budja comes in and acts scummy and now maybe you guys were right.

TBM has a fantastic point with this:
Buttons wrote:If we are going to lynch you the cop should claim? Other then letting your partner know who to NK tonight what do we gain out of this?


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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:51 pm

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I don't get it. Its perfectly logical.

My logic:
With 5 players remaining, cop can clear 2, giving a 2/3 chance of hitting scum. Easier to find connections, etc. Narrow down the odds.

Scenario 1:
Cop doesn't claim.
2/5 base chance of hitting scum.
Then either a. 1/3 base chance cop dies at night leaving no-one clear. or b. town victory

Scenario 2:
Cop claims.
2/3 base chance of hitting scum.
Cop dies, cleared townie survives.
1/2 base chance of victory.

Factor in actual scum-hunting for connections and 2 is the better bet. I doubt NS and horror would be scum together. Me/Button would be similarly unlikely.

If I were scum, I would have kept my mouth shut. Hell, I would have claimed cop.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:24 pm

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Scenario 3:

1. Cop doesn't claim
2. Lynch Budjascum
3. 2/3 chance of town victory, pretty good chance even if cop dies

vote: Budja

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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:45 pm

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Bleh, I guess Karma/Horror or Karma/Button as the scum. Either that or I'm completely of the deep end with my logic (which I don't see).

You can label that as WIFOM, but it doesn't change the fact that it isn't in scum's best interest to push a cop claim rather than looking for "cop tells".
Karma wrote:2/3 chance of town victory
Invalid maths!
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:52 pm

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How so?
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:58 pm

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Uh, How what exactly?
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:19 pm

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How is that invalid math?
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:14 pm

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scum lynched today
1/3 chance of scum hitting cop
if cop not hit => scum counterclaims, 1/2 base chance (although scum have a fair chance of screwing up so you)
if cop hit => 1/3 base chance

1/3*1/3 + 2/3*1/2 = 0.44 although if scum screw up could be 0.77.

In doing that, I found a point I didn't add before (which I ought to have remembered in the first place really).
If cop doesn't claim today, they will be counterclaimed tomorrow anyway.

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Now, I'm not scum, I don't feel I look scummy, you have no case on me, the claiming thing is not bad, etc...
I've kinda given my ideas as to who I think scum is.

I feel Karma should know better, but I accept that may just be frustration on my part. Still "gut", so second pick.
Horror is still my first pick for scum as before.

I'm pretty sure that's everything I've got. Your move.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:34 pm

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Difference of opinion, I guess.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest some hard-bussing is happening here from Budja. Just by PoE.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:42 pm

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Karma wrote:Difference of opinion, I guess.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest some hard-bussing is happening here from Budja. Just by PoE.
Who do you think he is bussing?
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:39 am

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The person he's voting for.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:52 am

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Karma wrote:The person he's voting for.
Quotes where you feel he is bussing?
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:49 am

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Budja wrote:vote: Horror, opportunistic vibes.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:01 am

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Karma wrote:
Budja wrote:vote: Horror, opportunistic vibes.
Karma wrote: some hard-bussing is happening here from Budja.
Doesn't really strike me as hard core.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:55 pm

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Meh, you're probably right. But I wouldn't be surprised at a Budja/Horror scumteam.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:09 pm

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NS is def. town now.
When horror returns I'll know if he is scum or not pretty quickly too :P.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:42 pm

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Budja wrote:NS is def. town now.

'splainy?

He hasn't posted in here since you got put at L-1.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:05 am

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Budja, if you say that prob scum teams are Karma/Me or Karma/Button, then why do you have your vote on me rather than Karma?

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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:09 am

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Wait, that was the hammer?

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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:15 am

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Well, I guess we wait for tomorrow, now.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:16 am

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Does nobody in this game realize that they are hammering?

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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:17 am

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Nobody Special wrote:Well, I guess we wait for tomorrow, now.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:56 am

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To go after horror, duh.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:00 am

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@Mod: Pretty please, could you update the First Post with deaths and replacements and such? Thanks.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:30 pm

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It better have being scum pushing for my lynch.

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