Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, screw that. I'm not giving in.

Aim: ooba

All you Faraday voters: Tell me the reason you're voting Faraday above ooba. And it better be darn good.

[ReaperCharlie]

I think it's likely that Andy was recruited last night too, or at least, will be recruited (soon?).

[ReaperCharlie]

But then, how do you account for the 2 kills last night? If they have a recruit-or-kill thing, then there would have only been one kill.

Unless there are just a bunch of loose cannons running around... *narrows eyes at ooba*

[ReaperCharlie]

So Yos, I guess you were under the VERY STRONG impression that Furcolow was a cult recruiter yesterday?

You voted for him, in case you don't remember. In fact, you were the 4th one on a wagon of TWELVE, so you were voting for him for quite some time.

[ReaperCharlie]

Your powers are weak, old man.

When I left you, I was but the learner; now

I

am the master.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, it makes sense when you say it THAT way...

--

Buuut you were still dead wrong, and I was right in refusing to vote for him.

So what makes you think you're right about Faraday, and I'm wrong about ooba?

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, Andrius. LOL.

But I need to teach you to use Photoshop

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm... ok Yos, you win.

Holster

.

If I was right though, I call bragging rights at the end of the game.

Aim: Faraday

[ReaperCharlie]

I actually like ooba's last few posts.

:thumbs up:

[ReaperCharlie]

Aim: Reapercharlie

he's scum.

PS, Faraday...

OMG! You suck!!!

and also, you're a liar..

[ReaperCharlie]

Honestly please do. Day 1 will make your head cave in like a trombone. Do you know I used to play the trumpewt.

Also

Im exceedingly driunk, which makes this game much more AWESOME, I love you Andrius. I want you to make all your posts in such a way that I am watching you from every street corneer, gettimng ready to jump you and have my way eith you. Of course I am drunk and several hundred miles away from you but oh... dont I wisjh.

HAHAHAHA! +500

(My name is ReaperCharlie and I approve of this product or service.)

[ReaperCharlie]

Do tell.

[ReaperCharlie]

Faraday is at L-1...

=====[]

[ReaperCharlie]

/me backhands Andrius.

[ReaperCharlie]

You should hammer. Hopefully D3 will be better. Anyway, not liking chrono to much after skimming his ISO, but there are bigger fish to fry.

Something about this post, I hate. Terribadly.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't like how everyone assumes Yos is town.

Just sayin'

[ReaperCharlie]

^^^ Agree

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks for (finally) posting, Faraday.

I agree with you about Yos2, I disagree with you about me, obv. lol

Yeah, we are f***ed if we don't hit recruiters, obv.

And I would totally go for an ooba/Yos2 wagon over you. Chronopie too, probably. But there just isn't much support.

Anyway, deadline is coming up... sooo.....

[ReaperCharlie]

Just want to bring this back up in case anyone missed it... xD

Aim: Reapercharlie

he's scum.

If he flips town I guess that looks bad on me, but I have to say I get a certain satisfaction about Faraday being lynched.

/spit

[ReaperCharlie]

Even with your door shut, you can hear the sounds of two cats in heat, going at it hot and heavy...wait, those aren't cats, those are dames! Two women, somewhere in the house, together... and you stuck here by yourself. Pity.

Yea, I don't make much noise, so I can see how you thought they were by themselves... sorry, next time I'll tell them to keep it down...

[ReaperCharlie]

So it seems that there's only one scum faction?

Uh, what? Prreettttyyy sure this says there are sonS, plural.

Inside the Calagesi villa, Cerenzia, Italy:

The doors are barred, the shades are drawn. Even in the best of times the Calagesi estate is a well-decorated fortress, and this is far from the best of times. After yesterday's massacre, the family and employees of Don Bastiano Calagesi are divided on what to do next. The Don's

son

s

want to inherit the Family Business and take over the

'ndrina

; most of you just want to move on with your lives. Where do your allegiances lie, and can you actually make your dreams come true?

[ReaperCharlie]

But why roleblock a roleblocker (i.e me) that had declared that they were going to RB either M=W or xvart?

Possible to allow a kill through from declared target?

So we can probably assume that the scum have successfully recruited one or more roleblockers already.

Sorta like I (as town) blocked a claimed cop in Mad World Time Travel Mafia, and he turned out to be the scum who performed the kill. Because LMP was obvscum and nobody else wanted to lynch him, I figured I would block him. It worked like a charm. No nightkill.

But yeah, I'm not sure how roleblocking a roleblocker works, I don't know if I've ever seen that before. Maybe the Night Action Resolution just goes through in the order it's submitted in, in that case. It doesn't even say which would happen first, here: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... leblocking so I have no bleepin' clue.

Either way, if they thought you were scum I could totally see it.

But yeah, if they are scum and thought you were opposing scum, I could see that as well.

Anyways.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, but it never says the sons are pitted against each other.

This will take more pondering.

Uh... pretty sure that if the recruit-or-kill theory is right, (or even otherwise, for that matter) that it would make NO sense for there to be two recruiters in the same cult. That would be way too powerful. Especially if they could both recruit on the same night. Unless we hit one or both of the recruiters fairly early on, we would be virtually swallowed by the the one all-powerful cult in like 3 days flat.

[ReaperCharlie]

I actually just read the first few posts of the thread again, and I am now 99% positive that there are two cults. No more, no less.

It's funny, I checked; NOWHERE in the OP does it say that there ONLY two brothers... EXCEPT in the sample Bruno role PM. It says there are two. So there are at MOST two.
But by looking again at the sample "power role" role PM, it says that you are A godfather, and not THE godfather. So there are at LEAST two godfathers.

Unless Flay is deliberately trying to screw with us. Which it seems like he might be...

[ReaperCharlie]

But why roleblock a roleblocker (i.e me) that had declared that they were going to RB either M=W or xvart?

Possible to allow a kill through from declared target?

So we can probably assume that the scum have successfully recruited one or more roleblockers already.

Unless they recruited YOU.

This post rubs me the wrong way. TOTALLY rubs me the wrong way.

It would totally make sense to recruit Andrius, and with 2 cults x 2 nights since his claim so far, that's 4 chances to recruit him.

I'm pretty dang sure he'd have been (and

has

been) recruited by now. Same with Yos2.

And the fact that Andrius hasn't revealed his results yet is shifty too.

[ReaperCharlie]

Target please .

Why would you ask for this?

This is getting ridiculous now.

vote ooba

Not surprised Chrono got blocked. He wasn't really town, so town rb-er would want to block him, yet scum roleblocker would want to block a potential bad power role, especially if your targetting his team mate.

poro? wtf?

As much as I want ooba dead, I totally agree.

What reason is there for Andrius not to have shared his results?

Let me rephrase: what TOWN reason?

[ReaperCharlie]

Dam# it. Now I'm totally torn between ooba, Yos2, Andy.

I am NOT down for a Robo wagon one bit.

The lynch target today should be NOBODY other than ooba, Yos2, or Andy.

When it comes down to it, probably Yos2 or Andy.

[ReaperCharlie]

I actually just read the first few posts of the thread again, and I am now 99% positive that there are two cults. No more, no less.

It's funny, I checked; NOWHERE in the OP does it say that there ONLY two brothers... EXCEPT in the sample Bruno role PM. It says there are two. So there are at MOST two.
But by looking again at the sample "power role" role PM, it says that you are A godfather, and not THE godfather. So there are at LEAST two godfathers.

Unless Flay is deliberately trying to screw with us. Which it seems like he might be...

lrn2read Andrius

[ReaperCharlie]

And besides, it didn't say Me=Weird had been recruited by the ONLY CULT. It said he'd been RECRUITED. And was purposefully nebulous.

It looks like Flay is trying to be tricksy, but there is enough evidence of two and only two cults if one is willing to PAY ATTENTION instead of ASSUME.

[ReaperCharlie]

ebwop: That was @ Andrius.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, and this is going to sound really tinfoil-hatted, but is it possible that the whole Seraphim-replacing-out thing happened because he got recruited by vezok N0?

Ohhhh. This actually makes more sense then what I was saying yesterday about Me=Weird being the recruiter, coupled with what Reaper said about Seraphim's feelings towards cults.

Aim: Robo

Dam# it. Now I'm totally torn between ooba, Yos2, Andy.

I am NOT down for a Robo wagon one bit.

The lynch target today should be NOBODY other than ooba, Yos2, or Andy.

When it comes down to it, probably Yos2 or Andy.

Why would a cult recruit ooba last night? He has used up his loose canon ability (at least as he has described it), so he would only be an additional body. Why are we now killing recruits instead of the recruiter? This seems a 180 from the previous two days.

xvart.

Noooooo. You're not listening. I don't think ooba was recruited last night. I was voting him yesterday too. I think he's been scum for most of the whole time, if not THE whole time. For some reason in the back of my mind. Maybe it's cause of Star Wars mafia, but I can't help remembering that ooba is VERY good at using situational things to fool everyone. Go ISO him in Star Wars mafia and tell me if you can find his breadcrumbing of his fake claim. VERY effective. Could be the exact thing going on here.

And (call me paranoid), but it's entirely possible that the loose cannon thing was entirely by accident. In Werewolf Wisborg Asylum (Andrius and whoever else was in that game can back me up), Spyrex (who was a VT, but had been recruited) pulled COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS @$$ a fake claim (which he hadn't originally been given) of "Priest", which ENDED UP BEING A ROLE IN THE GAME. Not just breadcrumbing either. He flat out claimed it. When he was killed and flipped cult, I went under the assumption that he was originally a Priest but had been bitten by the werewolves. I about sh*t a brick when I found out that he was originally a VT and had completely fabricated the claim. It even fooled the ACTUAL Priest.

But yeah, I would still rather lynch ooba/yos/andrius than Robo. Andrius because he would now be a scum power role, Yos because Yos as scum is impossible to win against if you leave him alive, and ooba for the above.

I'm not AGAINST lynching Robo, because what you say above (especially based on what I said earlier about Seraphim hating cults and hating vezok) toooootally makes sense. But I still want to lynch the other three first.

[ReaperCharlie]

WAIT! I just realized what I just said, and it's

retarded

. I am

totally

down for a Robo lynch.

I wasn't connecting the vezok/robo dots, even though I WAS. LOOOOOOOL

[ReaperCharlie]

But FFS, don't run him up until we at least get some good discussion in for a few weeks. k g2g

[ReaperCharlie]

However, ooba did make the suggestion yesterday that the cult started with two people (or the recruiter was initially able to recruit one of some random power roles) so it is possible that he had access to the loose canon information prior to the start of day one (if what he was saying is true).

Be that as it may, I merely suggest that loose cannon would be an entirely believable fake claim for someone who already has a night kill, AND that it would explain ooba's absolutely terrible choice of killing zwetasldgkjasdr, especially when he was otherwise a poster boy for town and killing him was almost a vezok-caliber stupid, at least for a TOWN vig. For a scum vig (or a godfather), it would have been quite smart. I'm actually gonna go back and read zwet in iso again now.

If Andrius is a recruit then he was not recruited last night but rather the previous nights.

So did you recruit him N0 or N1?

Heh heh. Lovin your style, xvart.

[ReaperCharlie]

It's also very "convenient" that you happened to be online and see exactly when someone said something about you, so you could reply to it.

Twice.

Especially considering you didn't reply to anything else in the thread.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, I admit that it seems very likely, but... vezok flaking from the site, and Seraphim replacing out,

"all-but-confirms"

vezo/Robo as recruiter... how?

This reads to me like excited scum trying to push a quick lynch on opposing scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, I admit that it seems very likely, but... vezok flaking from the site, and Seraphim replacing out,

"all-but-confirms"

vezo/Robo as recruiter... how?

This reads to me like excited scum trying to push a quick lynch on opposing scum.

I agree,

holster, aim gandalf

I think its pretty clear why both flaked from the game.

I also don't like this post. If Robo is scum, Poro seems a likely scumbuddy.

It's like he's using my post as an excuse to attack gandalf with a chainsaw.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't think claiming will do any good. But it would explain Vezo's "HEY GUYS I KNO THERE IS A CULT IN DIS GAME" stupidity he pulled.

What, are you like, a cult UNrecruiter? There was one in farside's Supernatural mafia. lol

He claimed D1 and got mislynched right away.

Being the recruiter in that game, I was pretty stoked, but... town was horrified that they'd lynched him.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, I admit that it seems very likely, but... vezok flaking from the site, and Seraphim replacing out,

"all-but-confirms"

vezo/Robo as recruiter... how?

This reads to me like excited scum trying to push a quick lynch on opposing scum.

I agree,

holster, aim gandalf

I think its pretty clear why both flaked from the game.

I also don't like this post. If Robo is scum, Poro seems a likely scumbuddy.

It's like he's using my post as an excuse to attack gandalf with a chainsaw.

:goodposting:
Also, the more I think about it, the more I think there's only one scumteam, and both sons are on it, with the second one acting as a usurper/backup probably.

And THIS post is buddying and craplogic.

It's craplogic, because: The entire THEME of the game is Succession. I'm 99% positive that there are TWO brothers who are fighting to SUCCEED their father as the NEW GODFATHER of the ndrina or w/e. And there are dueling cults. It's not TOWN vs SCUM, it's BROTHER vs BROTHER (though town does exist, as the necessary recruiting pool). I was very excited when I read the flavor for this game, as it's a perfect story for a MAFIA themed game. Whoever says there is only one cult is probably in a cult themselves and is trying to spread misinformation.




It IS kind of funny though, that gandalf and Poro are taking pot shots at each other, using MY posts as their ammunition.

ReaperCharlie is amused.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, I am hereby announcing my intention to vote for/hammer Robo if/when needed, providing his claim is unsatisfactory.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wow. Gurgi played a heeellllaaaa shifty first couple of days, but today he seems extremely town. Just throwing that out there.

[ReaperCharlie]

Haha! Just realized how that could sound. No, that was not me crumbing cop.

[ReaperCharlie]

I am the cult doctor.

Each night I get to choose one person, this person cannot be recruited that Night.

Apparently Vezok targetted Reaper Night 0 and Andrius Night

Two

One and Night

Three

Two I protected Andrius again.

Fixed. And I totalllllllly believe this claim, with about 6% reservation.
Which makes me immediately suspect gandalf abouuuut... 295% more.

Aim: gandalf9166

Robo, what

flavor

can you provide on your claim? I need... a bit more.
Even if you get my suspicion down below 3% that'd be preliminarily satisfactory.

Note to self:

I also still dislike Poro's tone, buuuuut it's bedtime.
Poro gets an ISO tomorrow. You may begin sweating... now.

[ReaperCharlie]

What's your Secondary wincon Robo?

Huh?

Hmmm. Well, if both Andreus and Robo are telling the truth, then Reaper is almost certanly town; he was invetsigated town night zero, and he was protected from being recruited that night as well; the only time he could have been recruited is if scum recruited him later, which I doubt, because scum would probably be recruiting power roles later.

All I hear is: (whispered) "

buddy buddy buddy buddy buddy

".

Once we find the recruiterS, I swear Yos, you're going down so hard you'll think it's Christmas for skydivers.

[ReaperCharlie]

I club Gurgi with a blackjack. Ransack the room, see that he's still fending for himself

(like RC and me, aka town)

.

I feel like RC is trying to get me to investigate Yos. Hrm... I think

if RC is scum

, Yos is town. Or that's epic bussing.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

FATAL SYSTEM ERROR

Hello, Yos2's scumbuddy.

[ReaperCharlie]

In other news, I am baffled why Andrius hasn't at least attempted to investigate Yos2 since the start of the game, even with the near 100% probability that he's been recruited by now.

I think it's rather convenient that all of your investigations keep ending up 'town' so far. Or else they're so nebulous (again, maybe this is Flay) that you can't even tell the alignment?

I highly doubt that Andrius is still town, yet obviously he's not a recruiter.

[ReaperCharlie]

You do realize that, if Robo's telling the truth, Andrius has been protected from recruitment every night since he claimed, right?

I don't think there's any way Andrius is scum, unless Robo is lying.

Unless Chrono blocked Robo and was lying about being blocked himself.

It's pretty obvious that all sorts of shenanigans went on last night.

[ReaperCharlie]

In other news, I am baffled why Andrius hasn't at least attempted to investigate Yos2 since the start of the game, even with the near 100% probability that he's been recruited by now.

Oh, bull. I'm significantly less likely to a recruitment target then any of the people who have claimed power roles, and we've had major claimed power roles in the open since day 1.

Blah, blah, blah. Again I must bring to light that you were a perfect target to recruit on Night 0.

[ReaperCharlie]

There is no way for us to know that Chrono is female. And to assume that the mod would give us flavor about somebody being roleblocked is mod-WIFOM. Even if two sluts DID get it on last night, there is no way for us to know that, unless Chrono claims flavor. But that still leaves us at: why would the mod give hints on last night's night actions in the main post? Somehow I don't believe that Flay would do that. I could be wrong, though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hey, ooba. I like how Andrius is on both lists.

Also, xvart. It was

Chronopie

(RB) that claimed to be RB'd last night, not gandalf.

The reason for gandalf's argument being: If both Chrono and the as-yet-unnamed roleblocker are prostitutes according to flavor, that might account for the 'sexy'-flavored night/morning flavor that we received from the mod. However, we have no confirmation that Chrono is a chick, and we have even less confirmation that the unclaimed RB is one. Either way, even if they both are, I find it extremely hard to believe that Flay would put it in the flavor if such were the case.

Anyway, I like what ooba is doing. Poro seems to be very discouraging of any semblance of town initiative, which I'm not sure is normal for him seeing as I've never played with him before. But it doesn't seem very pro-town. Either way, even though I absolutely hate that ooba put himself on the 'cannot be recruiter' list (because I still have my suspicions), he IS heading in the right direction.

My top picks for recruiter are the guys who have said the least so far (or at least, those who I remember saying the least): Erg0, Flameaxe, inHimshallIbe, or xvart. I suppose it could be gandalf or Friend or Porochaz too, but I'm just not feeling it from them.

ooba, why are you leaning against Chrono being a recruiter?

[ReaperCharlie]

Lists are not good for town.

Is this your opinion? Or is there some level of site-wide acknowledgement of this 'fact'...

...because it sounds suspiciously like a personal preference.

[ReaperCharlie]

So you are saying that town should refuse to scumhunt for three weeks during the day, so that the scum should experience 5 seconds of extra WIFOM at night?

No thank you.

[ReaperCharlie]

You said "Lists are not good for town." I am merely taking you at what you said. Lists are
a huge factor of scumhunting. Proclaiming scum- (and town-) reads is preeetty important.

Unless you'd rather leave the game to the vigs. Which (looking at ooba's claimed N1 vigkill
of zwet) is a pretty terrible idea.

So... you were saying?

[ReaperCharlie]

A thought just struck me: What if it was SINGERSIGNER that was lying about her also-claim of loose cannon?

Here's why I am thinking this:
1) I was tunneling on ooba at the time and didn't think of what if SHE had made it up instead of HIM making it up.
2) She'd probably have already used her shot by now, if she had one. Most new players would have. (<-- this is the kicker)
3) It makes more sense than ooba being scum. I am just suuuuuper paranoid when it comes to him.

I didn't think of this before. But there are always two sides to a coin, so... why not?

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm gonna go ahead and throws out a guess that speculates on a great many things, all of which are related:

1. ooba and singersigner are scum together
2. ooba is recruiter and signersigner is loose cannon (OR) singersigner is recruiter and ooba is loose cannon (herp)
3. they used the fact that they both knew about the loose cannon role to conveniently create an also-claim opportunity
4. they figured they could 'substantiate' her claim later by letting her claim her faction's kill as her own
5. they both FELT TO ME like they sorta acted like "whew, they bought it" just after they claimed
6. they both laid relatively low for a while before just recently starting their "scumhunting" again
7. even the scumhunting they have done is not really scumhunting, it's just more of... trying to skate.

This is all tinfoil at the moment, but I believe it has some merit.

I've been letting the situation marinate in my mind since posting #1932, some of which now seems silly.

And this is what I came up with. I have been suspicious of ooba all game too, so yea.

[ReaperCharlie]

Here's a quick info dump (with just the facts, not my opinions):

Mobsters still in the building...

(i.e. WHAT WE KNOW)

---

Andrius (claimed Enforcer before Furcolow flipped)
Chronopie (claimed Roleblocker, claimed being roleblocked on N2 -- POSSIBLE inference/confirmation within N2 mod flavor)
Erg0 ()
animorpherv1/Flameaxe ()
Friend ()
gandalf5166 ()
inHimshallibe ()
Lord Gurgi (investigated to be town by Andrius (night 2))
ooba (claimed Loose Cannon and claimed that he shot zwetschenasserbloke on (what night?))
Porochaz ()
ReaperCharlie (Investigated to be innocent by Andrius (what night?))
vezokpiraka/Robocopter87 ()
TheLonging/singersigner (also-claimed Loose Cannon, after ooba claimed. Has one (claimed) shot left to use.)
xvart ()
Yosarian2 ()

I am VERY likely missing something, as this is only from memory. Feel free to add on to this. That's the point of making this list, so we don't HAVE to rely on memory, and we can easily compare and contrast people's actions/claims/etc at a glance.

One thing I've learned from past games is that if we keep a running tally of what's happened and when, that a town win is MUCH more likely. For an example, check out Wisborg Asylum large theme. We literally CRUSHED the three scum factions, and had a 9-1 town endgame and nailed the final scum easily.

Also, I may be starting an alliance soon. As is becoming the usual, Andrius is tentatively invited.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. ooba and singersigner are scum together
2. ooba is recruiter and signersigner is loose cannon (OR) singersigner is recruiter and ooba is loose cannon (herp)
3. they used the fact that they both knew about the loose cannon role to conveniently create an also-claim opportunity

4. they figured they could 'substantiate' her claim later by letting her claim her faction's kill as her own

5. they both FELT TO ME like they sorta acted like "whew, they bought it" just after they claimed
6. they both laid relatively low for a while before just recently starting their "scumhunting" again
7. even the scumhunting they have done is not really scumhunting, it's just more of... trying to skate.

Then singersinger's plan of using the bullet at L-2 should directly contradict this point.

---

Vote: gandalf

Call it gut but he's a recruiter .. (from ISO)

- Refuting ONE of the above SEVEN points with something that HASN'T HAPPENED YET and calling the theory busted... CHECK.
- Hopping onto the next largest wagon for no reason other than GUT... CHECK.

I feel much better about this vote now.

Aim: ooba

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm willing to go onto the ooba wagon at the moment, as every other candidate right now is getting us nowhere. :/
I was going to suggest lynching Friend just because, but Yos made a good case on ooba.

For now:

Aim: ooba

Considering that Roleblocker/roleblocked flavour has to do with *intimate relations* the ambiguous result on ooba is more concerning than ever before. I dig.

Aim: Ooba

These anomalous "HAY I LIKE THE OOBA WAGON TOO!!!" votes don't give me warm fuzzies, though.

Absolutely no reason for voting except sheeping. And in Andrius' case, INCORRECT sheeping.

IGMEOYB(oth)!

[ReaperCharlie]

Adding on to my previous case against ooba/ss scum:

8. she seems to want to go out of her way to "also" confirm herself as town, and it LOOKS TO ME like it's in hopes of also confirming ooba as town.
9. WHO THE @#$^ (AS A TOWN VIG) WOULD OPT TO WASTE THEIR ACTION BY DOUBLE-VOTING INSTEAD OF NIGHTKILLING? SUPER SCUM POINTS

That is all.

Love,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

THERE ARE MULTIPLE CULTS OOBA OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO WAGON THE OPPOSITE RECRUITER.

AND EVEN IF THEY ARE IN YOUR CULT, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF BUSSING? OH YEAH RIGHT HUH I FORGOT

[/fate]

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll be honest, keeping the double vote is scummy as heck.

Yes. Singersigner would not do that just to prove that SHE was town, which leads me to believe she's trying to protect someone ELSE by proving her role. Namely, ooba.

My problem at the moment is the same as I usually get at this stage in the game. The only lynch candidates that are up for serious contention are active players. Let's lynch someone who has dropped off considerably (FRIEND) at least, rather than a probably-not-recruiter.

I generally agree. I do not like the way people only consider for lynching, those who are actively posting. Obviously the recruiters would not want to take the spotlight. Which is one reason why I get lynched a lot, because I LOVE to cause havoc and create discussion!

So I agree with you on that point. But what do you think of my ooba/singersigner theory?

I have this awful feeling I'm being run around by a Yos-ooba-Erg0 team. While the other side has Andrius-RC lead by inHim/Friend.

You don't think there is a link between ooba and singersigner anywhere? I agree that Erg0 is scummy/skating under the radar. Yos I think should be considered scum by anyone and everyone. Possibly a recruiter but I'm not sure. I have this SUPER OMINOUS feeling about ooba or otherwise my vote would probably be on Yos2. Some of it has to do with ooba not including HIMSELF on the "possible recruiters" list, the rest can be summed up in my post #1815, for the most part.

[ReaperCharlie]

Um. ooba? If you believe gandalf is the head of the other recruiting team, why are you UNVOTING gandalf, to vote xvart?
Can you spell.... O-M-G-U-S?

Also, I don't think xvart is scum. Call it gut if you wanna.

[ReaperCharlie]

Alliances are dumb.

Boo, you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Mobsters still in the building...

(i.e. WHAT WE KNOW)

(now prettified for those of us with OCD)

---

Andrius

-claimed Enforcer (before Furcolow flipped Enforcer)
-investigated RC on N0 (result: town)
-investigated ooba on N1 (no result)
-investigated Lord Gurgi on N2 (result: town)

Chronopie

-claimed Roleblocker
-claimed being roleblocked on N2
-POSSIBLE inference/confirmation within N2 mod flavor

Erg0

(no info)

animorpherv1/Flameaxe

(no info)

Friend

(no info)

gandalf5166

(no info)

inHimshallibe

(no info)

Lord Gurgi

-investigated to be town by Andrius on N2

ooba

-Investigated by Andrius on N1: NO RESULT
-claimed Loose Cannon on D2 (with crumbs on D1)
-claimed that he shot zwetschenasserbloke on N1

Porochaz

(no info)

ReaperCharlie

-investigated to be town by Andrius on N0

vezokpiraka/Robocopter87

-claimed Cult Doc on D3
-Cult Doc'd

TheLonging/singersigner

-alsoclaimed Loose Cannon (after ooba claimed on D2)
-has one (claimed) shot left to use.)

xvart

(no info)

Yosarian2

(no info)

This is probably missing stuff. Feel free to add on to this. That's the point of making this list, so we don't have to rely on memory, and we can easily compare and contrast people's actions/claims/etc at a glance.

I claimed before anyone else did.
I investigated you N0.
I also investigated ooba N1. You forget that?

Thanks for the tentative invite.

Yeah, I forgot about it, lol. I remember now, obv. I also forgot Robo's cult doc claim ;x
Anyway... I've added them.

And you're welcome. I haven't decided who I want in it yet, though.

[ReaperCharlie]

From a scum PoV, I won't real push a ooba wagon because my crumb, kill on zwet make it likely that I am what I claim to be. The only reason scum would push it, even in the face of the evidence and other unconvinced town, is because they think I am the opposite Godfather.

That makes sense I guess.

But why would they push it if the rest of the town is unconvinced? That's like painting a target on their backs then, right?

To be honest, it just looks like you're OMGUSing. Trying to create a counter-wagon on a guy who (to my knowledge) hasn't been voted ONCE yet in the game, just to mix things up and get the attention off yourself.

And if you were REALLY a town loose cannon like you claim you are, why would Andrius get a NO RESULT when he tried to investigate you?

[ReaperCharlie]

OR you could say it like this, Yos2:

WHO THE @#$^ (AS A TOWN VIG) WOULD OPT TO WASTE THEIR ACTION BY DOUBLE-VOTING INSTEAD OF NIGHTKILLING? SUPER SCUM POINTS

This looks like feeble bussing. Yos and singersigner are probably in the same cult.

[ReaperCharlie]

Or, we could just lynch ooba

today

, and you could kill

yourself

tonight...

[ReaperCharlie]

That section is unique anyway. So even if Singer answers first, Ooba can't copy.

You know this how?

xvart.

EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I READ THAT.

I swear, it's like me and xvart are sharing a brain. FU, xvart! Go lurk or something, so I can look smart for once.

Hang on a second.
Robo, how about you nameclaim, and claim what you'll do after the town wins. Also, is your rolename really "Cult Doctor"? Because I'm a Cop but called "Enforcer".
We need more credibility.

Yo bro, remember this?

I'm a Consigiliere (I hope I spelled that right lol) and my Italian name is Salvatore.

I read through the whole ruleset to make sure I was allowed to do this.

I'm lovin' how Andrius is not paying attention. Is it on purpose or is he REALLY being this much less useful than usual?

I haven't. But I'm planning to use it today on town consensus. If I'm recruited, I want to be useless to them.

This is a guaranteed lie. This is not P2W.

Exactly. Good catch. I missed that.

gandalf is town. He's invited to the alliance.

Oh that!

I'll be able to be a Lawyer like I always wanted!

Makes sense.
Given Consigliere are lawyers, in essence. :/

Meh. I'll try to stpo myself from senselessly voting people. lol

So I'm looking at: Yosarin2/ReaperCharlie/Chronopie tonight.

Hmmm... second time you've threatened me with investigation tonight. First time was here:

Yeah, I love how im on BOTH lists.

RC, I'd love it if you played more town-ly-like. Then I wouldn't be tempted to investigate you AGAIN.

Now, I'm wondering:

Are you being intentionally obvious about saying you're thinking about investigating me tonight, to try to get a reaction out of me? That's what it would seem like scum would do when trying to hunt for other, rival scum, but WITHOUT actually wasting the investigation power, so that they'd be able to use it on someone else and effectively get two investigations through threat-fishing.

Which is fine with me.

Except for that since you already investigated me to be town on Night 0, you'd know I wasn't the recruiter, and you are therefore not playing to a town wincon any longer because you're no longer trying to hit a recruiter at night, you're trying to hit rival scum.

So the only question that remains is whether you were recruited on Night 1 or 2. And it doesn't really matter. All I know now is that I can't trust your Lord Gurgi result, and our list of who to lynch STRAIGHTAWAY once we get both recruiters DEAD is getting larger.

Anything else you'd like to add?

--

In conclusion: Things are looking up!

Alliance time is nigh!

[ReaperCharlie]

But

seeing as everything else is out there.

..

Carla, Prostitute (roleblocker), and the ambition is to become a Hollywood star.

ITT ReaperCharlie is satisfied with the percentage of tongue-in-cheek.

[ReaperCharlie]

So I'm looking at: Yosarin2/ReaperCharlie/Chronopie tonight.

That's fine, but you probably shouldn't talk about who you're going to target if the scum have a roleblocker.

Its WIFOM. If I'm targeting town, they won't need to roleblock me, as I won't pull a guilty.
But if I name some scumbags, I'll be blocked and therein have some info.

And RC, I'm just spouting WIFOM. lol

NICE BACKTRACK.

We caught one, boys! (Possibly more than one, actually. Gotta re-read Andrius)

[ReaperCharlie]

I get that people like Reaper have been pushing the "Yos is good so the scum might have recruited him" theory, but that kind of WIFOM is a pretty weak and unconvincing attack, especially in a game with so many claimed power roles, and no one's made any any other case against me, so I don't get why you're so suspicious of me that you actually think it's suspicious of people who haven't ever been suspicious of me to not investigate me instead of someone more likely to be scum. It's kind of a bizarre chain of logic. Is this just the standard "it's day 3 so it's time to start getting paranoid about Yos" paranoia or something?

Again, if you'd been attacking me on day 2, I would be much less confused by this.

Day 1, August 31st:

So I was thinking, if there was N0 recruiting, is it too WIFOM-y to suggest that scum would recruit a better/more well-known player like Yos2 or LG or Prozac?

WIFOM.

Yes, but this WIFOMsandwich isn't actually as bad as it sounds. In fact, despite the WIFOM in it, it's actually a pretty sound assumption for a number of reasons. I present to the court Defense Exhibit "G"...

In Wisborg Asylum, SpyreX and Merkabah (Amished/VP Baltar hydra) were recruited Night 1. That doesn't sound like a shabby choice to me. In my past games, I've often seen recruiting of the 'best' or 'strongest' players in the game as a common night 1 tactic, and though it's WIFOM, it's still an awesome idea, for multiple reasons:

-They're less likely to say something to get themselves lynched.
-They're much more likely to be able to weasel out of lynch wagons.
-Having them on your side to help hunt down the other scum is WIN.

And there are many more reasons.

That ends my little spiel on game theory; eventually I might actually re-read the topic (darn you guys for making it grow so fast!) and get back with something actually USEFUL.

Maybe.

Don't count on it.

Day 1, still August 31st:

RC, watch your back. I told you that I'd come into our next game together with a vengeance.

Yeah, yeah, "vengeance", "watch your back Reaper", blah blah blah, I've heard it all before

I agree with the WIFOM, but I'm not about to advocate the lynchings of Yosarin2, Gurgi, Faraday, etc. just because they're good players, whatnot.

Why not? By what I've just shown, that you said you AGREED WITH, I showed that the likelihood that they are scum is GREATER than the likelihood that others are scum, due to the likelihood that they'd been RECRUITED is higher.

Does this make sense? Confirm or deny.

Day 1, still August 31st:

1. As has already been establish, town shouldn't even be looking for recruits right now, town should be trying to find the recruiters.

Oh really. And how the heck are you gonna tell the difference, pray tell? Look at you, trying to 'lead the town' with useless wisdom that can only come from a pretty silver fountain of BULL@#$&. There is no way to tell, you're just trying to look good and be 'pro-town' so that you can survive the day without suspicion.

No thank you. After reading that post, I'll bet my bottom dollar that you are scum.
Well, not just because of that post. Because of a plethora of other things as well.


And oh, lookee here, I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is.

Aim: Yosarian2

Day 1, September 1st:

Hmmm... I make one post about Friend saying he's town, and one post about Yos2 saying he's scum, and I all of a sudden warrant a post from ooba saying how I'm cheerleading the fight between them?

Interesting.

And he mentions it

three

times in his post, lists me at the top of his suspects list, and voted me.

Day 1, September 2nd:

ReaperCharlie - Town. D'oh. Isn't ominous or trying to further any sort of agenda at all. Not even trying to lynch scum. He is town though.

How do you know I'm town? Are you that sure? Haven't you read others posts about me?

Not trying to further an agenda? I'm trying to get Yos2 lynched, which is apparently wildly unpopular, because of "oooh, Reaper's argument is WIFOM". Also, I'm pondering starting a bloody alliance. If that's not trying to further an agenda then I don't know what is. And how is NOT trying to lynch scum a town tell? Are you sure your read on me isn't backwards?
[/throwing a wrench into Andrius' sanity]

And then you say:

Yosarian2 - Same as Lord Gurgi.

Really??

Really.

Out of all anyone's said in the last 25 pages, the only thing you have to say about him is a non-commital half-sheep of what I said about ANOTHER PLAYER? (that being 20 pages ago??). It's almost like you're TRYING to give worthless reads, and hinge half of your reads off of something somebody else says, so as not to take any responsibility for your own reads on scummy people.


*sniff sniff*

Andrius stinks of the scum, gents. He's not even trying to hide it any more.

Aim: Andrius

Day 1, September 5th:

Public scumlist that I'm pretty sure will get lynched soon enough: Andrius, dramonic

Super-secret scumlist that I wish people would lynch if I get NK'd: Yos2, ooba, Faraday

Day 1, September 8th:

Boo. More dram wagon needed. You guys are gonna hate yourselves when he flips scum eventually. And he will.

Yos is also scum.

Chronopie is just stupid town.

Furcolow has a communication disability.

Day 1, September 9th:

Actually I could go for a nice ooba/Faraday/Yos2 lynch as well. They all give me the willies.

Day 1, September 10th:

Yos, whom you

do not lynch day one

.

you

don't lynch Yos day one

.

And may I ask why not?

If there was night 0 recruiting (such as seems to be popular consensus), then pure and simple logic would dictate that scum with any brains at all would want to grab him, a renowned mafiascum player, to be part of their faction ASAP, would it not?

Yes/No

And that by result means that there is a greater chance that he's scum than anyone else, right?

Yes/No

And that's not even COUNTING the probability that he might be the original scum recruiter. So... remind me again why we do not lynch Yos day one? Is he

really

that indispensable to the town? I haven't seen anything very impressive thus far from either him or you. In fact, you seem to be on a lot of people's scum lists, yourself...

And really, now that I look back at it, your entire post that I'm replying to, looks like you're just trying your best to win townie points.

Day 2, September 17th:

How many people believe that by Night 1, when there have been 4 chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?

And I'll go ahead and up this to: How many people believe that by Night

2

, when there have been

6

chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?

Day 2, September 17th:

ITT we eat

WIFOMsandwiches™

fed to us by Yosarian2.

Om nom nom.

Day 2, September 17th:

Regarding the Yos thing: RC has been pushing this wagon too hard and too long without any analysis of play. It would be interesting if he were a recruiter and chose to push this wagon early in the hopes that the other team would recruit him. I just think he's scummy and prefers to lynch someone based on their reputation rather than his play. I'm up to lynch him.

Day 2, October 2nd:

I don't like how everyone assumes Yos is town.

Just sayin'

Day 2, October 4th:

Thanks for (finally) posting, Faraday.

I agree with you about Yos2, I disagree with you about me, obv. lol

Yeah, we are f***ed if we don't hit recruiters, obv.

And I would totally go for an ooba/Yos2 wagon over you. Chronopie too, probably. But there just isn't much support.

Anyway, deadline is coming up... sooo.....

Day 3, October 8th:

But why roleblock a roleblocker (i.e me) that had declared that they were going to RB either M=W or xvart?

Possible to allow a kill through from declared target?

So we can probably assume that the scum have successfully recruited one or more roleblockers already.

Unless they recruited YOU.

This post rubs me the wrong way. TOTALLY rubs me the wrong way.

It would totally make sense to recruit Andrius, and with 2 cults x 2 nights since his claim so far, that's 4 chances to recruit him.

I'm pretty dang sure he'd have been (and

has

been) recruited by now. Same with Yos2.

And the fact that Andrius hasn't revealed his results yet is shifty too.

Day 3, October 8th:

Dam# it. Now I'm totally torn between ooba, Yos2, Andy.

I am NOT down for a Robo wagon one bit.

The lynch target today should be NOBODY other than ooba, Yos2, or Andy.

When it comes down to it, probably Yos2 or Andy.

Day 3, October 8th:

Also, and this is going to sound really tinfoil-hatted, but is it possible that the whole Seraphim-replacing-out thing happened because he got recruited by vezok N0?

Ohhhh. This actually makes more sense then what I was saying yesterday about Me=Weird being the recruiter, coupled with what Reaper said about Seraphim's feelings towards cults.

Aim: Robo

Dam# it. Now I'm totally torn between ooba, Yos2, Andy.

I am NOT down for a Robo wagon one bit.

The lynch target today should be NOBODY other than ooba, Yos2, or Andy.

When it comes down to it, probably Yos2 or Andy.

Why would a cult recruit ooba last night? He has used up his loose canon ability (at least as he has described it), so he would only be an additional body. Why are we now killing recruits instead of the recruiter? This seems a 180 from the previous two days.

xvart.

Noooooo. You're not listening. I don't think ooba was recruited last night. I was voting him yesterday too. I think he's been scum for most of the whole time, if not THE whole time. For some reason in the back of my mind. Maybe it's cause of Star Wars mafia, but I can't help remembering that ooba is VERY good at using situational things to fool everyone. Go ISO him in Star Wars mafia and tell me if you can find his breadcrumbing of his fake claim. VERY effective. Could be the exact thing going on here.

And (call me paranoid), but it's entirely possible that the loose cannon thing was entirely by accident. In Werewolf Wisborg Asylum (Andrius and whoever else was in that game can back me up), Spyrex (who was a VT, but had been recruited) pulled COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS @$$ a fake claim (which he hadn't originally been given) of "Priest", which ENDED UP BEING A ROLE IN THE GAME. Not just breadcrumbing either. He flat out claimed it. When he was killed and flipped cult, I went under the assumption that he was originally a Priest but had been bitten by the werewolves. I about sh*t a brick when I found out that he was originally a VT and had completely fabricated the claim. It even fooled the ACTUAL Priest.

But yeah, I would still rather lynch ooba/yos/andrius than Robo. Andrius because he would now be a scum power role, Yos because Yos as scum is impossible to win against if you leave him alive, and ooba for the above.

I'm not AGAINST lynching Robo, because what you say above (especially based on what I said earlier about Seraphim hating cults and hating vezok) toooootally makes sense. But I still want to lynch the other three first.

Day 3, October 11th:

What's your Secondary wincon Robo?

Huh?

Hmmm. Well, if both Andreus and Robo are telling the truth, then Reaper is almost certanly town; he was invetsigated town night zero, and he was protected from being recruited that night as well; the only time he could have been recruited is if scum recruited him later, which I doubt, because scum would probably be recruiting power roles later.

All I hear is: (whispered) "

buddy buddy buddy buddy buddy

".

Once we find the recruiterS, I swear Yos, you're going down so hard you'll think it's Christmas for skydivers.

(which makes me wonder, why did I discount Yos as possibly being a recruiter?? ....no idea!! probably because I'm so bent on the fact that he's probably been recruited, so I keep forgetting that he might have just been scum from the beginning!)

Day 3, October 11th:

I club Gurgi with a blackjack. Ransack the room, see that he's still fending for himself

(like RC and me, aka town)

.

I feel like RC is trying to get me to investigate Yos. Hrm... I think

if RC is scum

, Yos is town. Or that's epic bussing.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

FATAL SYSTEM ERROR

Hello, Yos2's scumbuddy.

Day 3, October 11th:

In other news, I am baffled why Andrius hasn't at least attempted to investigate Yos2 since the start of the game, even with the near 100% probability that he's been recruited by now.

I think it's rather convenient that all of your investigations keep ending up 'town' so far. Or else they're so nebulous (again, maybe this is Flay) that you can't even tell the alignment?

I highly doubt that Andrius is still town, yet obviously he's not a recruiter.

...I think that's about it. So as you can see, a healthy smattering of suspicion all through Days 1 and 2 as well.

So you're full of crap. i.e. SCUM.

[ReaperCharlie]

But here are some of the reasons I'm voting for

ooba

today instead:

Day 2, September 19th:

Enough of this foolishness. Let's try lynching scum, shall we?

If you're having trouble figuring out why ooba is scum, read his post

#560

again.

a) Town-ooba never makes cases this thin or terrible (for why it's terrible, see my reply below).
b) Look how wrong he is about me, zwet,

AND

Furcolow. Town ooba is never this wrong.
c) Andrius got no-result on him. i.e. he's one of the don's sons with investigation immunity.
d) If you need more proof... well... you might be his scumbuddy.

Pay attention to the emphasis below. Red is what I've just added, bold is for emphasis in what I am referring to in my post below ooba's.

- I really do not understand Porochaz's insistence on Friend scum
- Faraday's really buddying up to friend - beyond the call of duty of a townie who even has a certain read - Could be recruit buddying up to somebody else to paint him as CL but I'll still put Faraday under townie though ..
- Friend's WIFOM about recruiting is bad town play

- Andruis you have to post more or take more stances before I can slot you on the list. I'm confused about furclow because like Yos it started with a town read then went to "Oh is he scum?" when he started saying he was lying and stuff .. HP mafia still plays on my mind though ..

- @animorph actually appears useful this game. I'll need to read a scum game of his.

- @Vezo, whats up with the ultra dram defense? And you never answered my question about "one of the brothers or scum" bit ..

- @TL, if you think "I think M=W is scum if you're town or vice versa", why would you vote anyone but one of those?

- Yos's list basically attacks everyone I think is town (except furclow). Zwet's "Why did Yos put me under town?" might be opportunistic considering that people were going on the experienced people getting recruited bit.

- I believe Friend vs Yos is town on town and

RC is cheerleading the fight

.

- Andruis is town for not fueling the fight. zwet chooses a different corner. 515 also reinforces my vibe that

RC is cheerleading a Town-Town fight

. (Well from his PoV if there are two scum teams, I guess he's cheerleading a non-his-team-member x2 fight)

- 554 Furclow votes for one person out of Yos-Friend while he feels the "other is squirming as scum"

Hence to summarize - I believe Yos vs Friend is town on town and

scum from both teams are spurring it on

. That'd be
-

RC

(proven town by investigation)

- Zwet

(proven town by flip)

- Furclow

(proven town by flip)

Unvote. Vote: RC

And here is my rebuttal in post

#564

again.

Hmmm... I make one post about Friend saying he's town, and one post about Yos2 saying he's scum, and I all of a sudden warrant a post from ooba saying how I'm cheerleading the fight between them?

Interesting.

And he mentions it

three

times in his post, lists me at the top of his suspects list, and voted me.

(now bolded in ooba's post above)

Even more interesting.

I find myself agreeing with Faraday the most in this game - Regarding RC, let him post some more and I'll give you a definite read on him.

I also think it's awesome that you found yourself agreeing with Faraday the most, even though all Faraday had said of any value at that point was this:

Sera - I don't see anything anti-town about Vezo's play thus far. What do you mean? I don't think outing his info was a bad thing, it's always good to be sure when cult mechanics are in play.

Seraphim's town but not because he's replacing out.

Furclow's an idiot but I'm leaning town.

Aim: Reapercharlie

he's scum.

But... at the time he voted me, the only posts I had made were these.

Aim: Lord Gurgi

General vibe of not wanting to step on anyone's toes and draw attention to himself.

Now this I can sheep.

And Lord Gurgi's (suspiciously quick) rebuttal does little to still my emotion, or to stay my hand.

Aim: Lord Gurgi

How convenient then, that you were there just in time to perform some neat and tidy damage control, before others got there to read it without your rebuttal there first.

Hmm.

So, in essence, you (ooba) agreed with his (Faraday's) non-existent case the most out of any that existed at the time, and now you're grasping at straws for a reason to vote for me, even after Faraday unvoted?

(and if you want even more WIFOM, ... YOU were the one whose vote I sheeped the first time, which may have been why he considered me scummy in the first place...)


...


Please explain to me how your "case" and/or your vote makes any sense.

Now.

Just type the words "

Aim: ooba

" and we can all be happy.

Day 2, September 23rd:

1. ooba is acting shifty/scummy
2. ooba is playing like he plays as scum (check out his meta if you don't agree with me)
3. ooba has a 'no-result' cop investigation on him last night
4. ooba is letting others argue about him without defending himself too much, hoping the heat will die down without him having to say much (and possibly slip up). exactly what a godfather/recruiter would do.

and if you're still not convinced:

5. the ooba wagon is juicy and delicious.
6. you must obey.

Day 3, October 14th:

...Yos I think should be considered scum by anyone and everyone. Possibly a recruiter but I'm not sure. I have this SUPER OMINOUS feeling about ooba or otherwise my vote would probably be on Yos2. Some of it has to do with ooba not including HIMSELF on the "possible recruiters" list, the rest can be summed up in my post #1815, for the most part.

Since this is already hecka long, you can also ISO me and read my last few ooba-related posts. There are good points in there that ooba hasn't answered yet. Try posts: #1932, #1962, #1965, #1968, #1972. Not as awesome or well put together as the big post above, but hey, they're also important.

Anyway...

*waits for more people to hop on the ooba wagon*


Remember, as I said in 1483:

You should all be on the ooba wagon (which is actually a stretch limo).

[ReaperCharlie]

So Reaper, you're saying you think Ooba is actually a recruiter, and not just recruited? How do you explain his role claim and the fact that he could call out TheLonging's role without any information from him?

If, like I seem to remember OOBA postulated, the scum start with a godfather (recruiter), and a loose cannon (goon), it makes perfect sense.

In my theory, you would be his goon, and you'd both know your role. Have you not been paying attention to anything I've said before?

vote: Yosarian2

Lord Gurgi's side is the town PoV in this most recent conversation between the two. I really think Yos is the recruiter. I'll post over the weekend with substance, but I wanted this to soak in for a bit.

This is such a scummy example of a false dilemma. Why would you assume that either me or gurgi is scum here in the first place? What makes you think that there is exactly one and only one person in the conversation between me and gurgi who has a "town point of view"

Sadly (for my ego ), Yos is right. Still, I AM looking forward to your "substance" post, inHim.

I am willing to lynch either Yos or ooba today, but like I stated previously, I much prefer ooba. I keep getting the 'recruited' vibe from Yos, not the 'recruiter' vibe, as I have been getting from ooba ever since Day 1.

[ReaperCharlie]

I still think the ooba lynch dosn't make any sense.

Have you even

read

my posts, Yos2?

I swear, my scumdar is catching fire.

[ReaperCharlie]

OKAY. THIS THREAD IS GETTING SUPER STALE.

I WANT EVERYONE'S TOP 3 LYNCH CANDIDATES NOW

[ReaperCharlie]

Of the people hopping aboard my suddenly-popular wagon, Gandalf's was the worst.

aim: Gandalf

Lame duck omgus. With a hint of AtE.

Unvote; Vote Friend

[ReaperCharlie]

Also singersinger should shoot herself .. Scum would then have to decide between roleblocking her and Andrius or Robo ..

This doesn't make any sense?!? Why would I do the work of scum for them??

What doesn't make sense is you saving up the kill for two nights while there were recruiters around ..
A scummy person claims a vig - correct play is for them to shoot themselves - saves a lynch ..

You must be smoking the bad pipegrass, bro. Seriously. I've never seen this level of dementia from you before.

I am torn between sticking with my gut on ooba despite phony-looking evidence, and taking a gamble on lynching Friend, on whom there is NO evidence.

Somebody make up my mind for me. Andrius. I choose you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Gurgi. She is ALREADY RECRUITED. That is PAINFULLY F#%&ING OBVIOUS.

Remind me again why we suffer you to live, when Mr. Obvrecruit Andrius over there was the one who cleared you as town?

FoS: Lord Gurgi

Not to mention you make NO sense.



Also. I swear. xvart, we need to hydra soon, I think my brain might explode otherwise.

[ReaperCharlie]

Soooo why aren't we lynching the obv_recruit? Its better than a town lynch.

Yet worse than a recruiter lynch, or haven't you been paying attention for the last EIGHTY-THREE PAGES.

And RC, I've *supposedly* been protected from recruiters for the past few nights.

Adding *supposedly* doesn't exactly help me to believe this. Which I obviously don't.

ooba is known for asking Vigs to kill themselves. He told AGM to self-kill in Greek Mythos. (He didn't.)

Unsolicited defense of ooba noted.

More later. Falling aslssp at the moment.

Nonsense!

Your posts are much easier to pick apart when you're falling aslssp.

Please, by all means, continue to post (at least, until you wake up).

[ReaperCharlie]

So... who do you think is recruiterscum, Robo?

[ReaperCharlie]

Midnight (CST) on the 25th.

Did you plan to report back after looking for the deadline? or just leave it hanging.

I am waiting for my questions to be answered and for people to give their top 3 suspects.

Then it is only a matter of PICKING ONE AND LYNCHING THEM.

IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

[ReaperCharlie]

In no particular order: ooba, yos2, friend, inhim

One o' thems is a recruiter, almost guaranteed.

IF EVERYONE ELSE COULD PLEASE LIST THEIR TOP 3 RECRUITER CANDIDATES I WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL.

[ReaperCharlie]

Cue: Gurgi defending the guy who investigated him as town.

OH WAIT SH*T HE BEAT ME TO IT. THE GUY IS TELEPATHIC.

Gurgi can swing too.

[ReaperCharlie]

Uh....

'cause you are obviously recruited scum, and tried to clear him as town. Last time I remember somebody doing that... hmmm.... OH WAIT, IT WAS

ME

IN HARRY POTTER CLEARING JMJ/MAGNA AS TOWN, AND HE TURNED OUT TO BE MY SCUM BUDDY. THEN HE PROCEEDED TO SKATE ALL THE WAY TO ENDGAME AND A BEAUTIFULLY PERFECT SCUM VICTORY. HERP DERP A LERP

[ReaperCharlie]

^ Absolutely nothing to say about whether there's any truth to my accusation or not.

Just a dismissal because of WIFOM.

Noted.

[ReaperCharlie]

*dodges the WIFOMsnowball gandalf just threw at the thread.*

DO NOT WANT.

I highly believe Andrius was a legit cop, but has been recruited by scum at some point. No matter how shenanigans it seems that the doc was protecting him from being culted, I still think he somehow was, for reasons I stated above.

That being said, he is still (99% likely) not a recruiter. If he is, he gets a scummy nod from me when this is over.

Which begs the question:

WHY DID CHRONOPIE, GANDALF, ANDRIUS, INHIM, ROBOCOPTER, and FLAMEAXE miss answering who their top 3 scum suspects are?

(minor props to poro, and to yos2 for answering the question without having to be bullied into answering).

SO I REITERATE. THIS IS AT EVERYONE.

LABEL YOUR TOP 3 SCUMS NOW. RECRUITERSCUMS.

STOP ALL OTHER DISCUSSION UNTIL THEN.

THIS MEANS YOU.

[ReaperCharlie]

(man, I really need to learn to stop pressing the Enter key after every sentence. lol)

[ReaperCharlie]

link plz I'm really lazy

[ReaperCharlie]

Ehhh I'm lazy what can I say.

So basically everyone polled so far has Friend as one of their top three for recruiter.

Let's make it happen gents.

Unvote; vote Friend

[ReaperCharlie]

That's me on the right, in case you were wondering.

.

.

[ReaperCharlie]

ebwop: **in case you were STARING.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ughhhhhh Signersigner AND/OR Chronopie are scum.

Likely AND.

See you guys in the morning.... maybe..... [/wifom]

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice try, but Friend's alignment has exactly 0% to do with your alignment.

Nice extra wifom before we all go to sleep. (well, most of us).

[ReaperCharlie]

1. I HAVE BEEN SCREAMING FOR DAYS THAT YOS2 IS AN OBVRECRUIT! AND ONLY NOW YOU GUYS WANT TO LYNCH HIM?!?! WTF?!?!!?

2. ANYONE WHO JUST VOTED FOR YOS2 IS CLEARLY NOT LOOKING FOR A RECRUITER, AND IS THEREFORE

ALSO

AN OBVRECRUIT.

3.

Vote: Erg0

-- My best choice for recruiter, after Friend. Hasn't contributed AT ALL this game, and is OBV skating under the radar.

4. #2144 is screaming "Oh! Yay! A recruit from the other faction! Let's lynch him, and then I can continue to recruit each night!"

5. ANDRIUS, HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW THERE WERE TWO CULT FACTIONS. I ONLY POINTED IT OUT ohhhh, THIRTEEN PAGES AGO.

[ReaperCharlie]

I TOLD YOU YOS WAS SCUM. FFFFF---- people. I have been saying it all game. More on this later, but GET THIS.

It's unrelated to Yos, but still ENTIRELY AWESOME...... yep, you guessed it! It's INFODUMP/CLAIMING time!

I, too, am an Enforcer, i.e. a Cop. Just like Andrius and Furcolow.

And to pre-emptively answer your question of why I did not claim before, I had multiple reasons:

1. I wanted to compare my results with those of Andrius (if we happened to cross-investigate, which we did. TWICE. FML)
2. because I wanted to compare my results with my reads in-thread,
3. because I did not feel like I had enough to bring to the table (seeing as I cross-investigated with Andrius twice)
4. I wanted to make myself a smaller target for NK/recruiting so I could be MORE useful, later, as opposed to relatively UNuseful, sooner. Also, it would have split the cult-doc's choices each night with very little , so I figured my best bet was laying low.

This meant contradicting my reads/alignment scans on some people, and in general being a bit duplicitous (yes, scummy on purpose, for those following along at home).... buuuut, in my opinion it was MORE than worth it, in order to give four investigations to cross-reference with the other cop. And before you say it, YES, I know, I have pushed my luck way too far, and there was MORE than enough chance for me to have been killed or recruited so far, but I was gambling on the recruit-or-kill theory, and to me the SMART thing to do would be to recruit as much as possible as fast as possible, and not start killing people right away unless they KNEW you were the opposing scum leader / cult recruiter.

So, all that to say: hopefully you guys can take me at my word; I'm going to reveal my investigations now, in hopes we can pull this off:

Night 0

- I investigated Faraday (undeterminable) - Which is WHY I WANTED HIM DEAD. I thought he was a recruiter. (and yes, total wifom occurred on what would have happened to me if he was a don's son. I ended up believing that he WAS a don's son, and that I would NOT have died. which is why I wanted him lynched ASAP. screw you guys for lynching furcolow, I wanted to lynch Faraday D1 ).

Night 1

- I investigated ooba (undeterminable) - same general result as Andrius. Due to Faraday's flip, I was not so sure, but I received DIFFERENT FLAVOR than I did with Faraday so I am still not sure. All my WIFOM about ooba/singersigner STILL HOLDS TRUE. It was completely honest. I think ooba still has a chance of being a recruiter!

Night 2

- I investigated Lord Gurgi (TOWN) - this time exactly the same as Andrius. Which leads me to believe he'd be the obv-recruit choice for last night, because the scum factions are trying to get town-cred among their numbers. So this result now means nothing either way, except to say that at least Andrius was not lying, and therefore Andrius (and by extension, Robocopter) are probably town.

Night 3

- I investigated Chronopie (*drumrollllllll* - TOWN. Holy good gravy, that was unexpected. =0 ...sorry for doubting you, Chrono).

Sooooo.

Andrius is likely town

based on his results and his actions thus far,

Robocopter is likely town

(unless he and Andrius are pulling a master gambit which involves Andrius as scum telling the truth about all of his investigations, even as the only claimed cop... which seems REALLY, REALLY unlikely, lol), and

Chronopie is 100% town

(at this point).

So I have known for a while now that Andy is probtown, but I was trying to spin the WIFOM pretty hard about him being scum because I wanted to make it look to the cults like *I* was already recruited by the other scum faction (and therefore, try to increase my chances of not being recruited, because recruiting somebody who is already recruited probably results in just a FAILED recruiting attempt, which is a HUGE disadvantage for cults). Basically, I was able to fly by the possibility of being lynched because I was investigated Night 0 as town/NONrecruiter, and I tried my best to fly by recruiting at night by making it seem like I was

already

in a cult (and was recruited Night 0 or Night 1) so that the "other" cult wouldn't try to recruit me.

IT WORKED AND I AM F*CKING AWESOME.


...

Anyway, to answer you-all's OTHER question (if you don't have this question in your mind, *SLAP*, because you SHOULD as any decent player):

Maybe you don't think this is me Playing To Win (as is expected of any good scummer), but I think it IS, because I'm helping MY faction right NOW, without depending on a recruiting taking place. Also, revealing my night results before being recruited means that I'll have no chance AFTER I'm recruited to fake results, etc, based on what I already know. Therefore, I am MUCH less likely to be recruited because of this. I think it's much more likely that I'll be killed now, actually, because there's pretty much no use left that I can be to any cult except as a role-cop of sorts. I realize this splits the cult-doc as well, and he won't know who to target each night, but I think that's good because that way scum won't know who to try to recruit either, if they want to hit us. It'll be a 50/50 WIFOM choice, and a smart cult CAN'T gamble on that because they are trying to get more recruits than the other cult ASAP.

If you have any questions please ask, and if I missed anything, please let me know. I can go into a bit greater detail about the flavor for each of the results as well.

Now, my last guesses for cult recruiter are ERGO, GANDALF, XVART, FLAMEAXE, and INHIM (KATSUKI). WE NEED TO LYNCH ONE OF THEM TODAY, AND WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT, OR ELSE WE WILL LIKELY LOSE.

Yos2 is obv scum, so we can't trust anything he says. Obviously, telling us the truth is not playing to win on his part, so he's obv lying about some (if not MOST of his post), in order to help his faction out before he goes the way of the buffalo (i.e. extinction, for those who don't get it).

I think he is telling the truth about wishing that Friend was the other recruiter though. I wasn't so sure, but I wanted SOMEONE to die, and we knew as little about Friend as we still DON'T know about any of the CAPS list of guys a few sentences ago. (G, X, F, and I). I should have listened to my gut on Friend, I thought all through Day 1 that he was obvtown, but through Day 2 and 3 his play greatly deteriorated, and I found myself on the fence and wifoming. Shoulda stuck with my gut. f@#$&

sooooooo anyways. Since we KNOW Yos2 is scum, and based on Yos2's voting patterns, I think we can find the cult leaders (or at least one of them). Since he was legitimately gunning for opposite cult recruiter, obviously. We don't know since WHEN he was recruited, but we know that he's not a don's son, so he must be trying to protect one and trying to kill one.

Anyways this is about enough for now.

DISCUSS!

[ReaperCharlie]

*has been waiting alllllll game to say the BEST line from the movie Panic Room*

"Who

are

you?...."

".... I'm Raoul."

xD






Also @ ooba: Process of elimination. I think he's town but PoE dictates that he is prob-recruiter, as are the others on that list. Let me know if I'm missing anyone from my list, instead of trying to discredit my results and throw doubt on my entire paradise wasteland of awesomeness that I just posted.

In other words: ooba is recruited-scum even if he's not recruiter-scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yos2 - so what is the recruit mechanic? When does it occur? Can the cult either kill or recuit each night; cannot kill; or what? Was your faction responsible for dramatic's death? How about Zwet's death? When were you recruited?

xvart.

Answer this please, Yos. Also, please tell us the name of your recruiter. thanx, n stuff

I can't call Yos' bluff and it irks me

I can hate Katsuki with every fibre of my being though, and that's working out well.

Welcome to LYLO kids, let's win.

How do you know it's LyLo? HOW DO YOU KNOW??? (scum recruit. I knew it).

I can't call Yos' bluff and it irks me

I can hate Katsuki with every fibre of my being though, and that's working out well.

Welcome to LYLO kids, let's win.

What do you mean you can't call his bluff? Something about this post just makes my teeth curl, especially considering how adamant you were about Andy being worthless as a cop, and now you seem to be believing his results. I'm starting to have conspiracy theory galore running through my head; but for you to be the cult recruiter that would mean you recruited Andy already and he fake claimed a result on you yesterday to clear you. Either Yos2 is on the other cult team or CultAndy called a sacrifice gambit to get his results validated today for the fake claim yesterday.

Your play does seem awfully Cult Recruiterish with your low profile and defending Yos2. Plus you have only voted for people that have flipped town (outside of your RVS on Yos2 [hmmm...]) and Chronopie (or undetermined alignment).

Skimming your ISO only solidifies my Recruiter read of you; but I need to go back and read more closely and check the context.

And what does Kutsuki have anything to do with anything?

But for now,

VOTE: Lord Gurgi

xvart.

I would agree with you about Gurgi except for that I investigated him myself.

Ok. Now... it would REALLY SUCK if we misconstrued our PMs... basically it says that if we rough up one of the Capo's sons that certain consequences will follow. Now I ASSUME (and I'm sure Andrius assumed/s the same) that means that we are some kind of weak cop that means we'll die when we investigate the recruiters. But what it COULD mean, obviously, is that we'd get a town result.

Which would mean we were back to SQUARE F@#$ING ONE. Which would blow, obviously.

But for now I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that we were both right in assuming the weak-cop thing.

Andrius - Town
Chronopie - Town, Confirmed N3 by RC
Erg0 - Prob. Recruiter
Flameaxe - ???
gandalf5166 - WHAT ARE YOU AGAIN?
Katsuki
Lord Gurgi - Town, Confirmed N2 by Andy
ooba - Prob. Scum Recruit
Porochaz
ReaperCharlie - Town
Robocopter87 - Town
singersigner - STATUS UPDATE. YOU KILLED ANYONE Y/N?
xvart - Prob. Recruitee/er
Yosarian2 - Confirmed Recruit

SS, how do you feel about shooting ooba in the face?

WTF IS THIS ^$@#??!!?!!? Look who's not paying attention!

1. Lord Gurgi (Mr. Most-Recently-Confirmed-Town) was an obv recruit choice for last night. He is very likely scum now.
2. Singersigner already wasted her vig shot to try to prove herself as a townie by using her double-voter powers instead.

/facepalms @ Andrius.

So the list is ACTUALLY (in order of my suspicion of who is a recruiter):
1. Erg0
2. Katsuki
3. Porochaz
4. Flameaxe
5. gandalf
6. xvart
bonus: ooba.

Everyone else is immaterial at this juncture.

[ReaperCharlie]

Some notes on Andrius that I just realized are completely contradictory and extremely scummy:

xvart. That is a shitty vote.
I investigated Gurgi N2. He was town then, THEREFORE IS NOT RECRUITER.

and in the same post:

@ Singersigner: You are killing Yosarin2 tonight, unless there are any better ideas.

Uh... YEAHHHHH HOW ABOUT HAVE HER SHOOT AT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A CHANCE TO BE A RECRUITER?
(that is, of course, assuming that she still had the shot, which I don't think she does...so, etc.)

and STILL the same post:

ANYWAY. List of non-Recruiters:
ReaperCharlie
Lord Gurgi
Yosarin2

ooba isn't on here for obv. reasons.

1. doesn't put himself on here.
2. mentions ooba even though he doesn't list him.

Which brings me to his next post:

Andrius - Town
ooba - Prob. Scum Recruit

SS, how do you feel about shooting ooba in the face?

k now he DOES list himself on there, and now he's changed his mind about who he wants SS to vig (she still doesn't have a vig shot, lulz) (correct me if I'm wrong, SS. I'm much too lazy to go back and find where you claimed, but I recall you saying that you could trade your vig power for a double-vote. please clarify)
and 2. asks her to vig ANOTHER non-recruiter.

WTF ANDRIUS.

Fos: YOU.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S., <3's to Chronopie.

You think we should massclaim today? If Yos is corrent then we're in LyLo of sorts. :/

YEAH SURE. JUST BECAUSE YOS HAS BEEN 'CAUGHT' DOESN'T MEAN HE'S ALL OF A SUDDEN PLAYING TO A TOWN WINCON.

CHANCES ARE HE'S TOTALLY LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH ABOUT EVERYTHING BUT WISHING FRIEND FLIPPED OPPOSITE RECRUITER.

HELLO DUH.

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, ENFORCER ALLIANCE TIME?!? I THINK SO.
WE ORGANIZE MASSCLAIM NEXT.

LULZ. WHAT OTHER CHOICE DO WE HAVE.

PICK YOUR TOP 3 MEMBERS AND ONE WILD CARD, AND I'LL PICK MINE.

I CHOOSE XVART CHRONO ROBO AND HMMM... FLAMEAXE (WILD CARD).

TOGETHER WE SHALL CRUSH THE GALAXY!!!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

(jk)

[ReaperCharlie]

OK WOW.

SINGERSIGNER KILL OOBA TONIGHT. IF YOU DO NOT THEN YOU AND HIM ARE SCUMBUDDIES.

Ok, seriously? Why don't you look over D3 and see why I can't do that, hmm?

K STOP FLUFFING AND TELL US WHO YOU WANT TO LYNCH.

[ReaperCharlie]

Really though, it was your #2127 made me do it. It was the straw that broke this camel's back.

Welp, in other news, I am gonna lol heartily if ss comes back and doesn't answer my question.

[ReaperCharlie]

OK WOW.

SINGERSIGNER KILL OOBA TONIGHT. IF YOU DO NOT THEN YOU AND HIM ARE SCUMBUDDIES.

Ok, seriously? Why don't you look over D3 and see why I can't do that, hmm?

K STOP FLUFFING AND TELL US WHO YOU WANT TO LYNCH.

I am gonna lol heartily if ss comes back and doesn't answer my question.

...

Mod: V/LA Friday through Sunday. Emphasis on the V for Saturday, and the LA for Friday/Sunday.

[ReaperCharlie]

To be quite clear: My scumdar on you/singersigner has JUMPED OFF THE CHARTS. That's ME. Personally.

Yes, LOGIC indicates that the likelyhood of you being able to fakecrumb loose cannon on day 1 is literally almost ZERO, unless you are a recruiter who recruited TheLonging (a loose cannon) on Night 0 and therefore had access to his claim in order to be able to fakeclaim. Additionally, TheLonging as a recruiting choice makes VERY LITTLE sense on Night 0, because you'd want to AT LEAST recruit somebody who was a strong player, and on Night 0 there'd be NO way to pick up any crumbs or sniff out any PR tells, so I've finally WIFOMed myself into oblivion and come to the conclusion that LOGICALLY, you cannot be a recruiter (unless both cults started with both a recruiter AND a loose cannon (to perform the night kill). In which case, you are still my top suspect.

Yos, can you enlighten us on this?


And it's not an abrupt 180 on anybody. That's simply the list of people who can be cult recruiters (excluding, of course, the caveat that scum may have started with 2 people each, in which case that brings you and signersigner back into the picture as possible recruiters). If your argument there is about HOW I WROTE IT, then: I wrote it the way I wrote it because... I wrote it the way I wrote it. I don't sit there and think about my post before I finish it and say "hmmm does this look scummy? here let me edit it so it looks like a townie wrote it"..... do you? lol

And no, I did not investigate you last night; I investigated you on Night 1. Aren't you even paying attention?

I am fine with voting xvart or gandalf today, just as I'm fine with lynching anyone on the CAPS list. I'm not sure why POROCHAZ wasn't on the list before, maybe it's because I forgot/overlooked him. He is on the list.

SO.. PENDING YOSARIAN2's REPLY, OUR POSSIBLE RECRUITER LIST IS:

-Erg0
-gandalf9166
-xvart
-Flameaxe
-inHimshallibe/Katsuki
-Porochaz

...AND IF YOS TELLS US SCUM STARTED OUT W/TWO PER FACTION, ADD:

-ooba
-singersigner

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Why are you even getting into this w/me? I'm not scum, and I'm definitely not a recruiter.
2. Your entire case is just arguing about

how

I wrote something. Not

what

I wrote. Useless.
3. Simple. I am not voting xvart because I think Erg0 is a recruiter, and I don't think xvart is.

P.S. Why don't you want to vote anyone but xvart and gandalf, mate?

[ReaperCharlie]

Holster

for now.

I'm not sure that I entirely trust Yos's version of events, since he has an obvious incentive to make his team appear as weak as possible. I guess the viability of his lynch depends largely on whether he's really on the same team as Me=Weird, and on whether we can get a really good lead on a recruiter today.

There's a fair bit of setup-related information to parse, I need to do some "what ifs".

Who do YOU think is a recruiter?

[ReaperCharlie]

Maybe this wasn't clearly worded before, and maybe it got lost in my post(s):

Yos: Did your scum group start out with just the recruiter, or was it recruiter + 1?

I would also like to hear from Katsuki.

[ReaperCharlie]

So... who will you be voting for today, Porochaz? You seem delightfully thin on content for the past... WHOLE GAME.

[ReaperCharlie]

Um. It's Day 4, Prozac. One would THINK you'd have it worked out by now.

Or at the very least, you know, have some suspects or somethin'.

[ReaperCharlie]

Neither Andy nor myself cleared ooba. We got a result that was inconclusive.

[ReaperCharlie]

k. the time is finally ripe. Andrius, choose your poison.

I pick Poro and Chrono, you get two more. Then we are set.

[ReaperCharlie]

Whoever asked Yos if the cults started with 2 members, I would like to submit the following:
N0 existed so they could choose their #2.

That was me, and if ooba had recruited a loose cannon on Night 1, he could easily have faked a claim of loose cannon. And it'd be especially 'provable' if he'd have recruited Thelonging/singersigner.

Paranoia: What if singersigner was the recruiter, had recruited ooba N0 (not a shabby choice), and had a double-vote as a RECRUITER power, and not as an 'in place of vigging' power? Did we ever get any confirmation from furc that he had that power as well?

If he never said anything about it, MAJOR FOS AT SIGNERSIGNER AND OOBA.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait, who was the other loose cannon?

WAS THERE ONE?

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh. zwet. Let me check to see if he ever confirmed that bit.

If he didn't, we need to seriously examine ooba/singersigner becauseeeee......

We don't know which of them laid that second ???? vote down.

Like I said, it could be a scum recruiter bonus thingie and unless zwet confirmed it...


Anyways. I'll check...

[ReaperCharlie]

Annnndddd.... zwet said absolutely NOTHING about double-voting, even though he claimed vig.

[ReaperCharlie]

You guys aren't calculating that I'm a vigilante, and that I'm planning on vindictively shooting dramonic tonight.

This is all he ever said.

Therefore, the "exchange vig for double-vote" thing could just be an ooba/ss gambit.

And it smacks exactly of old oobascum gambits that I remember from before.

Ergo; Unvote; Vote: ooba

(LOL U C WUT I DID THER?)

[ReaperCharlie]

V/LA

[ReaperCharlie]

(unforeseen, sorry flay)

[ReaperCharlie]

Back for a few minutes (but still V/LA, sorry Flay).


Ok, so... JUST NOW went back and read my night action result PMs from Flay, and I am going to post summaries of the flavor for all you guys:

My flavor about Faraday on Night 0 (first night) was somebody indistinctly looming outside his room, on guard, so I didn't stick around to try to find out. My guess is, he was bodyguarded that night, which would perfectly explain the flavor. Apparently the bodyguards in this game are flavor-fueled roleblockers. Which makes sense.

My flavor about

ooba on Night 1

(second night) was that I sneaked into his room somehow, knocked him out with my gun, rifled through all his stuff, and

could not find "

anything

to indicate where he stands or who he supports

. Then I heard a noise and slipped out of his room and back down the hallway. This leads me to believe that

HE IS ONE OF THE BROTHERS/RECRUITERS

with some kind of investigation immunity.

AS A COMPARISON:

When I inspected

Lord Gurgi on Night 2

(third night), I found that he was

still fending for himself

, and at the end of the PM, the mod clearly stated that in other words, he was Town.

Soooo….

NO. WE ARE NOT VOTING ERGO TODAY, ANDRIUS. WE ARE VOTING FOR THAT LYING SACK OF SCUM OOBA.

(Wait a second. I am

baffled

as to how you got the same results as me on ooba and Gurgi, and can't put 2+2 together. Now I think you're scum again.)

Disclaimer: I will still vote for Erg0 if it comes down to it, as he is still my second choice, but I will

NOT

be happy about it. I wholly believe ooba to be a recruiter now; it was a very, very nagging suspicion before, but now it's almost a 100% certainty in my mind after re-reading my flavor PMs.

Still aiming at: ooba

(and my trigger finger is now

itchier than ever

)

tl;dr: Read the bolded.

[ReaperCharlie]

Fuck this.
I trust Chrono and Robo.
Even RC is kinda' MEHHHH ATM. Ugh.
This game, <3 but confusing.

I can get down with ooba-lynch, but still.

You trust Chrono cause of

my

investigation, but don't trust

me?

Did your night flavor about ooba and Gurgi match mine, or not?

And if so, why did you not draw the same conclusions as I did?

Why are you NOT voting ooba, at this VERY F&CKING MOMENT?

...

(And Robo, I think you should protect ME from now on, k? LOL)

[ReaperCharlie]

Strange that both cops don't trust each other .. Almost as if both know the other is fake

Here, let me get you a WIFOMbucket to hold that WIFOM in. I especially like how you're fingering both cops baselessly.

Even though one of them is likely on your payroll... *sniffs* ...

"I love the smell of irony in the morning ... mmmm"

Here's a question - I AM going to flip un recruited - how're you going to explain it then?"

I would throw a fiery glare Flay's way, and slap him on the wrist for inconsistent investigation flavor.

When Andrius confirms that he received the exact same flavor results as me, we can start steamrollin' towards victory with your lynch.

Only problem is, I'm pretty sure you've recruited him by now, so I have no idea what he's gonna say.

[ReaperCharlie]

Here is what Andrius wrote about ooba earlier in the game:

I investigated ooba last night, and didn't find anything to determine his alignment. Which means:
1) I was RB'd.
2) There are shenanigans with his role?

Anyway,

FoS: ooba

, I investigated you because of my read on you.

I don't like it simply because in a game where the flavor dictates to Andrius that he knocks somebody out and then searches their room, the same would also be true that the mafia might just kill a guy, and search their room, learning exactly what they were capable of. Not to mention there is probably a rolecop or two floating around in the scumcults. Obviously thats not very far-fetched considering the mechanics we've experienced thus far (that the don's sons must recruit their power roles, just like in The Godfather Part II video game or some other mafia video game).

ooba: have you asked the mod if your doublevotes will show up in the vote count? If so, I am gonna need more than just a backed claim to prove that you're not scum. and that seems like something you'd ask the mod, as a smart player playing a vig/doublevoter.

singersigner: did it not occur to you that my first paragraph might hold true and ooba might still be scum, who saw both an opportunity to reinforce a fakeclaim AND draw out an unwitting counter-claim?

Remember, there were no deaths on Night 0. I wouldn't put it past Flay to give the don's sons both a RECRUIT power and a ROLECOP power (so they could know who to recruit for the next night, if they wanted). ooba could easily have been setting up a falseclaim for himself with that post about TheLonging, if he'd rolecopped any of the loose cannons on Night 0. Once zwet flipped, it would have been the perfect time to lay the claim, and reveal the breadcrumb only AFTER drawing out a counter-claim from another pro-town person.

This is all too fishy.

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:
- it's a product of Andrius' role.
- it's an effect of ooba's role.
- it's an effect of a factional action (block, etc).

---

And on a different subject:
How many people believe that by Night 1, when there have been 4 chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?

My result on ooba doesn't come from an excess "product of my role" unless its a mod note or sanity issue (like the recruiting doesn't screw with me enough .

I see what you're trying to say, RC, in regards to Yosarin2 being the best player here, but

If I were scum I'd want the Loose Cannon over a good player any day.

I have meta to prove this. (Greek Mythology.) XD Also, Yos could just be a VT. I feel like pushing a wagon on Yos2 is a heavy gamble, BUT something that we shouldn't throw aside.
I actually like playing with him, tbh, as he's rational and isn't some asshat-VT or a infrequent poster.

ooba

I think this "noise" is some generic little mod shenanigan explaining why I don't just investigate and masonize people, see?
So I doubt the noise is anything significant, unless someone is perpetually tracking me/ watching my targets...

And some gems from ooba:

ooba

I think this "noise" is some generic little mod shenanigan explaining why I don't just investigate and masonize people, see?
So I doubt the noise is anything significant, unless someone is perpetually tracking me/ watching my targets...

So you're saying the "noise" is just something that makes you run away..

- You might be a role which cannot investigate power roles which use their abilities that day .. People go out of their houses .. You come back to beat out info out of them but it's too late in the night to get a proper investigation ..
- You were not roleblocked N0 but were roleblocked yesterday .. Using the word "noise" again was just Flay's way of keeping it ambiguous so that you cannot say for sure that you were roleblocked ..

Ooba tries to explain why the flavor was the same for the "noise" for Andy on both N1 and N2, but that Andy was only blocked ONE of those nights.

This makes very little sense even at this point of the game, but it now makes ZERO sense because we know that:
-Roleblock flavor includes prostitutes. There is nothing of the kind evident here.
-Andrius' ISO #198 shows that he is able to hear "THE NOISE" and STILL get a successful investigation on Lord Gurgi.

So, to bring it back to the three possibilities:

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:
- it's a product of Andrius' role.
- it's an effect of ooba's role.
- it's an effect of a factional action (block, etc).

and now by applying a little bit of WINlogic™ we can deduce the following:

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:

- it's a product of Andrius' role.

No, because it happened exactly the same way to me, too.

- it's an effect of ooba's role.

<-- THE ONLY POSSIBLE OPTION.

- it's an effect of a factional action (block, etc).

No, Andrius ISO #198 directly refutes this.

Ergo, ooba is a recruiter.

---

And now it's even more elucidatory to look back at these posts:

Lets make a "Cannot be a cult recruiter" list ..
ooba
singersigner -> loose cannon play. Although recent play leans towards "Recruited"
Andrius
Lord Gurgi
ReaperCharlie
Robocopter87

Talking about any of the above is a waste of time until we hit the recruiters.

Porochaz
xvart
Friend
Chronopie -> Leaning towards not being a recruiter too
Erg0
Yosarian2
gandalf5166
Flameaxe
Andrius
inHimshallibe

ISO these folks and give your picks for recruiter .. I'll be searching for behaviour wherein the person tries to lie low - not get into conflict much - or somebody else drawing the heat away from this person ..

where ooba tries everything possible to divert attention from himself by putting himself on the "can't possibly be a recruiter" list...

Hey, ooba. I like how Andrius is on both lists.

which I didn't realize at the time, but this is a perfect example of scum not knowing whether to put his entire scum team in the "confirmed" list or not, and accidentally COPY-n-pasting instead of CUT-n-pasting. Major lulz now that I look back at it, which should have been a Major FoS when it happened...

---

See also posts #1414-#1417.
RC vs Andy FTL (For the Lulz).

Called it.

[ReaperCharlie]

Mass roleblock makes exactly zero sense. Soooo diescumdie.

All the clever rhetoric in the world cannot save you now, ooba.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ 'bad things would happen if we investigate a recruiter': the role PM said something to the effect of "certain consequences would occur", which could mean veritably anything, but i'll take my chances with assuming that NOT TOWN and NOT RECRUITED and NOT ROLEBLOCKED could very well mean investigation-immune recruiter. I mean... what else could it mean? don't tell me that ANYONE believes this harebrained mass roleblock idea that ooba keeps bringing up?

@ porochaz: lulz. ooba wagon is twice as good as anything since buttered bread, stop being a party pooper and hop on this juicy and delicious train. when he flips recruiter i'll buy you a drink. and we can laugh about it if we survive to endgame. assuming you aren't already part of the larger cult and don't gut me in my sleep tonight for lynching your recruiter. but like I said, I'll take my chances.

@ everyone not on the ooba wagon: get here. now. go read my last three or four posts and VOTE OOBA.

[ReaperCharlie]

So... Robo. What do you think about, perhaps, placing a vote on somebody? Preferably ooba.

I notice the last time you voted for anyone was when you voted for Faraday... a MONTH ago.

[ReaperCharlie]

Um. Wouldn't it be perfectly explained by the fact that you were investigation immune, and (as an aspiring godfather) would not have anything incriminating in your room?

[ReaperCharlie]

Reaper, I am not voting Ooba. You lack sufficient evidence against him.

Why does the fact that you didn't get a result = scum? You are assuming that he is a godfather. You don't

know

that, you

think

that. And until you find evidence that connects the lack of a result on alignment I suggest you stop advertising his lynch to me.

Basically it boils down to: Are you going to trust a cop investigation (which makes perfect f*cking sense, btw), or are you gonna go "ohhhh, well... idk... that sounds kinda thin", and pull a guess out of your @$$ to try and nail scum?

So, which will it be?

[ReaperCharlie]

Yep.

[ReaperCharlie]

btw... don't know if I mentioned it yet, but I've long since fallen in love with singersigner's avatar.

[ReaperCharlie]

Because I am scum and obviously I have inside info that roleblocks are in fact factional and not held by each respective prostitute. [/sarcasm]

Duh, because everyone knows that only scum have roleblockers! (aside from in wonky games like your MWTT, *shakes fist*)

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm... lemme think about that a sec...

NO.

BECAUSE WHAT THE F@$% WOULD THAT PROVE. I WILL JUST GET ANOTHER NO-RESULT AND HE'LL LIVE ANOTHER F@#$ING DAY TO BRAG ABOUT HOW STUPID TOWN IS FOR NOT LYNCHING HIM ON DAY TWO.

DON'T MAKE ME RIP UP MY TOWN READ ON YOU ROBO.

WHY WOULD YOU RATHER SWEEP THE NO-RESULT ON OOBA UNDER THE RUG, AND THEN LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE AND HOPE FOR A RECRUITER FLIP, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE


....

IT'S IDIOTIC! YOU'RE RIGHT.



SO TRY TO FOLLOW MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT HERE, EVERYONE ELSE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE MORONS:

1. OOBA HAS TWO NO-RESULT RESULTS ON HIM.

2. NEITHER COP IS INSANE.

3. NEITHER COP WAS BLOCKED.

4. NEITHER COP WAS RECRUITED (AT THE TIME).

5. MASS-BLOCK IS LAUGHABLE.

6. NO-RESULT IS NOT THE SAME AS TOWN.

7. NO-RESULT IS NOT THE SAME AS RECRUITED SCUM.

THEREFORE, 2 + 2 = ______, WHERE "______" IS THAT... OH RIGHT! OOBA HAS A ROLE THAT PLAYS SHENANIGANS WITH THE F$#^ING INVESTIGATION RESULTS IN A WAY THAT TOWN AND RECRUITEDSCUM DON'T. SO WHAT THE F@#$ ELSE IS THE CONCLUSION HERE?

...


BUT OHHHH WAIT. MAYBE HE'S NOT A RECRUITER.

SHUT THE F@#& UP ROBO AND GROW A BRAIN BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.

[ReaperCharlie]

Reaper is making sense. Despite the fact that my eyes are now bleeding.

twice investigated with consistant result unlike anything anyone else has given...

and we've had town and recruited results.

What's left???

Recruiter.

(Also Indy, but I doubt we have any of those in this game.)

geddit?

*falls out of his chair*

Somebody else has a BRAIN this game?!?!?!!

Unprecented. Completely unprecedented.

@Reaper: What was the flavour last night for your investigation on me?

stand by.

[ReaperCharlie]

It says that my "investigation" turns up no indications that you've been recruited.

In other words, town.

[ReaperCharlie]

Didn't I JUST say that, Erg0? Along with when I said it before?

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh. I see what you're saying Erg0.

Yes, I realize that my "duh, everyone knows only scum have blockers! ... *shakes fist* etc" comment is dissonant with Chronopie being a town roleblocker.

[ReaperCharlie]

LEAP OF FAITH??!

YOU JUST SAID THAT I "HAVE ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, ALL THE RIGHT INFO"

WHAT LEAP OF FAITH IS REQUIRED?!?!

THIS IS A LEAP OF LOGIC. BY THE PROCESS OF @#%&ING ELIMINATION.

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR @$$ AND VOTE OOBA THIS VERY SECOND.







NAO.

[ReaperCharlie]

Why not?

Do you not agree that Andrius is purposely lurking to avoid answering my questions or commenting on my ooba case?
Do you not agree that this is extremely indicative of him having been recruited by ooba?


I'm starting to think you've been recruited. Just vote ooba now and get it over with.

Please, thanks.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh. Welcome back, Andrius.

How convenient that after not posting for two days, somebody calls you out on lurking and you just happen to show up within 4 minutes.

Hmmmmmmm

[ReaperCharlie]

Darox, here might be a good place to start reading. That said, don't hesitate to re-read AFTER you read this. In fact, I'd be upset if you didn't.

What we Know

General

1. There are two recruiting factions with one recruiter each. This is splained in the modposting.
2. Current speculation is that cultscum factions can either recruit or kill, once per night.
3. All players who started as town have role PM flavor about what they want to do when this is over.
4. It's pretty much LyLo. Unless you're in the big cult. See "Yosarian2" below for more info.

Role Info

1. There are cop-like roles called Enforcers. This is confirmed by flips and claims.

----

- Claimed Enforcers are: Andrius, ReaperCharlie

----

- Flipped Enforcers are: Furcolow

----

- Flavor includes them knocking people out and determining their alignment at night. This is confirmed.
2. There are one-shot-vig roles called Loose Cannons. This is confirmed by flips and claims.

----

- Claimed Loose Cannons are: ooba, singersigner

----

- Flipped Loose Cannons are: zwetschenastyface

----

- One of the claimed Loose Cannons has claimed that you can forfeit your vig shot for a double-vote. This is unsubstantiated.
3. There are roleblocker roles (called ______s?). This is confirmed by modtext and claims.

----

- Claimed roleblockers are: Chronopie

----

- Unclaimed roleblocker(s) exist(s).

----

- These roles have prostitute flavor. This is evident in the modposting and confirmed by multiple players.
4. There are roles called Bodyguards. This is confirmed by flips.

----

- Flipped Bodyguards are: dramonic

----

- Unclaimed bodyguard(s) probably exist(s).

5. There is one claimed "Cult Doctor" role. This is unsubstantiated.

----

- Claimed "Cult Doctor" is Robocopter87. There are no further claims or flips regarding this role.

----

- This role is claimed to protect its target from being recruited by either cult on the night they are protected.

Player Info (Living)

1. Andrius

----

- Claimed Enforcer.

----

- Claimed Targets:

--------

- ReaperCharlie N0 (town)

--------

- ooba N1 (no-result)

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- Lord Gurgi N2 (town)

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- Yosarian2 N4 (cultscum)
2. Chronopie

----

- Confirmed roleblocker.

----

- Targets: _____ N0, _____ N1, was blocked himself on N3, Flameaxe N4.
3. Darox

----

- We know nothing about Darox. Predecessors were lurky and/or nonexistent.
4. Erg0

----

- We know nothing about Erg0. Has been disproportionately lurky and nonconfrontational.
5. Flameaxe

----

- We know nothing about Flameaxe except that he was blocked by Chronopie on Night 3. This is confirmed.
6. gandalf5166

----

- We know nothing about gandalf5166. Has been disproportionately (and uncharacteristically) lurky.
7. Lord Gurgi

----

- Was investigated by Andrius AND ReaperCharlie on N3, both got a town result.
8. ooba

----

- Was investigated by Andrius AND ReaperCharlie on N2, both got a NON-result.

----

- Claimed Loose Cannon.

----

- Claimed to have shot zwetschenasty on N1.
9. Porochaz

----

- We know nothing about Porochaz. Has been acting like a buzzkill since D1, and has contributed nothing.
10. ReaperCharlie

----

- Was investigated by Andrius on N0, with a town result.

----

- Claimed Enforcer.

----

- Claimed Targets:

--------

- Faraday N0 (flavor indicated that Faraday had been bodyguarded, effectively blocking the investigation)

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- ooba N1 (no-result)

--------

- Lord Gurgi N2 (town)

--------

- Chronopie N3 (town)
11. Robocopter87

----

- Claimed "Cult Doctor" (still unsubstantiated as a role).

----

- Claimed Targets: _____ N0, Andrius N1, Andrius N2, Andrius N3, Andrius N4.

----

- Could have been blocked, does not know.
12. singersigner

----

- Claimed Loose Cannon.

----

- Was the one who claimed that Loose Cannons had the ability to trade their 1s-vig for a double-vote.

----

- Claimed to have actually made the trade, and a vote labeled "?????" appeared on the vote-count in addition to hers.

----

- There is no way of knowing if that was actually HER vote, or if it was linked either directly or indirectly to her role.
13. xvart

----

- We know nothing about xvart. Has been on crack for the latter half of the game. ;P
14. Yosarian2

----

- Was investigated by Andrius on N3 to be recruited cultscum.

----

- Has claimed that his cult is small and that the other is much larger.

Disclaimer:

The above is from my memory, and is very likely missing quite a few things. I would appreciate it if you'd all volunteer information (already known or not) so we can get all this sh*t taken care of. Because this game is stretching too long and I'm getting rather sick of it. Either way, if you see anything that is WRONG, or MISSING, please let me know, and provide the correct information.

Player Info (Dead)

----

- Furcolow (Niccolò,

Unrecruited Enforcer

), was taken down Day One.

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- dramonic (Dante,

Unrecruited Bodyguard

), was murdered Night One.

----

- zwetschenwasser (Gianni,

Unrecruited Loose Cannon

), was executed Night One.

----

- Faraday (Martino,

Unrecruited Goon

), was shot down Day Two.

----

-

Seraphim

Me=Weird (Ignazio,

Recruited Goon

), was assassinated Night Two.

----

- Friend (Juliano,

Unrecruited Goon

), was blown away Day Three.

----

- Nobody was killed Night Three.

[ReaperCharlie]

If you are scum together that is immaterial. That's just you backing up her claim and her backing up your claim, in an endless WIFOMspiral. i.e. useless.

For all I know, she's a loose cannon who STILL HAS her shot, and the whole double-voting thing (which, btw, was ?????, not singersigner) could have been YOU (i.e. a recruiter ability).

If SHE would have gotten a double-vote, there is NO REASON why it would not have shown up as HER name twice on the vote count.

Hence my suspicion that it was not HER double-voting at ALL. And if she was lying about double-voting, what else is she lying about?

And the fact that she WASTED her vig in order to double-vote ONCE, and prove herself as town DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE FOR A TOWNIE.

As a matter of fact, it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR RECRUITED-SCUM EITHER, as they would obviously want to use their vig to TRY take out the opposing recruiter.

So the only thing that makes SENSE is that she PRETENDED TO WASTE HER VIG in order to substantiate her claim (which ONLY YOU can 'confirm', conveniently), but NOT ONLY to substantiate her OWN claim, she's doing it to substantiate YOUR claim.

i.e. PROTECTING HER RECRUITER.





I implore you people to open your eyes. All of this is easily seen if you just open your eyes. Just friggin' lynch ooba. You'll be proud of yourself when he flips recruiter. Seriously.

Whoever DOESN'T want to lynch ooba is either obviously a recruit of his faction (the larger one, according to Yos), or is blinded by his fake-claim.

WHICH MAKES NO SENSE, BY THE F@#&ING WAY.

Seriously. If ANYONE has ANY questions about the ooba case, just ask me and I will do my best to walk you through it step by step.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. There are two recruiting factions with one recruiter each. This is splained in the modposting.

WRONG! Multiple recruiters is what it says. There could only be one cult, you have just arbitrarily decided otherwise.

May I direct your attention to Post #1800? Or perhaps Yos2's claim? Or any of the other THOUSANDS of posts made with the supposition that there are UNDENIABLY two cults?

Or have you not been reading the topic at all? OH YEAH THATS IT.

2. Current speculation is that cultscum factions can either recruit or kill, once per night.

CORRECT. However it is speculation.

That's why I said it was speculation, Dunce Cap.

3. All players who started as town have role PM flavor about what they want to do when this is over.

When was this stated?

Again, not reading the thread.

4. It's pretty much LyLo. Unless you're in the big cult. See "Yosarian2" below for more info.

WRONG!(possibly) You have once again assumed we have 2 cults, and even a bigger/smaller cult. Yet you have absolutely no evidence for that unless you are a cult member and even then, you would still not know fully if there are in fact 2 cults.

AGAIN, not reading the thread.

Next bit is summarising all the info so cult can look at it easy and pick off people/recruit people a lot more easier than normal...

So you're saying that as a townie, it's better to try to remember everything and hope everyone else remembers everything, than to try to post it in one centralized location so that we can make better choices as a whole? LOL

I realize by this point you're probably not scum, but you are either an idiot or a terrible player. *begins to ignore Porochaz*

Role Info

1. There are cop-like roles called Enforcers. This is confirmed by flips and claims.

----

- Claimed Enforcers are: Andrius, ReaperCharlie

----

- Flipped Enforcers are: Furcolow

----

- Flavor includes them knocking people out and determining their alignment at night. This is confirmed.

For Andrius only. You could (and Im getting the horrible feeling that you are) just be copying Andi.

That's a valid concern. I could

absolutely

be lying... especially with my #1883/#1884, where I clearly stated that I was NOT a cop. So I lied either way. OMFG.

But I'm not lying about my results. I'm a cop and that's what I got. Believe it or not. If you don't believe it, lynch Erg0. If you do believe it, lynch ooba. Either way, I 100% believe that one of them is a recruiter.

2. There are one-shot-vig roles called Loose Cannons. This is confirmed by flips and claims.

----

- Claimed Loose Cannons are: ooba, singersigner

----

- Flipped Loose Cannons are: zwetschenastyface

----

- One of the claimed Loose Cannons has claimed that you can forfeit your vig shot for a double-vote. This is unsubstantiated.

That's pretty much true. Also the reason we probably should ignore ooba as a candidate today, which you aren't.

Have you even READ my ooba case? Do you even think it's POSSIBLE that ooba is lying? Everything points to it.

Nothing he has said or done is substantiated by anyone else in any way, yet you seem positively convinced that he can't possibly be lying.

Have you ever even PLAYED with ooba before?

4. There are roles called Bodyguards. This is confirmed by flips.

----

- Flipped Bodyguards are: dramonic

----

- Unclaimed bodyguard(s) probably exist(s).

Says who? You have added another bodyguard with no concievable proof.

Well, there are at least three claimed enforcers, at least three claimed loose cannons. 2+2=? Oh wait, I forgot you were an idiot.

5. There is one claimed "Cult Doctor" role. This is unsubstantiated.

----

- Claimed "Cult Doctor" is Robocopter87. There are no further claims or flips regarding this role.

----

- This role is claimed to protect its target from being recruited by either cult on the night they are protected.

Its fairly substantiated in that Andi who Robo has been protecting has recieved original results, (collaborated by you) and surely since he has been a substantial asset and threat to the town he would be culted or killed by now. I think we can safely assume Robo is a cult doc, if not town anymore. (which is likely but debatable)

Again, just even more easier for cult... Im not going to bother quoting the majority of this... just the additional info you missed out.

So you think it's impossible that somebody made up the cult doctor role? That sounds like a perfect gambit for scum who wants to create a 'follow the cop' situation for the rest of the game because OMFG he couldn't POSSIBLY be recruited CUZ OF DA CULT DOCTR DUDE! And of course you don't think for a second that there have been ~8 recruiting attempts thus far, and that Robo could also be lying. LOL.

And before you say it: Yes, I got the same results as Andrius twice, but the point at which we stop using our heads and thinking of every possibility is the point at which we LOSE. You've already stopped, so I take it you don't care any more. Either that or you're already recruited. Heck I know I said you were probtown earlier, but you're such an idiot that it might be feasible that you're just a scum VI.

5. Flameaxe

----

- We know nothing about Flameaxe except that he was blocked by Chronopie on Night 3. This is confirmed.

By two people who could be scum together.

I JUST investigated Chrono last night and he's town. He claimed blocking Flameaxe, and Flameaxe confirmed the flavor. So who are you saying is scum together?

Erg0, Darox and him are 3 people who could still technically be recruiter. Flameaxe especially so considering the no kill last night along with roleblocks.

6. gandalf5166

----

- We know nothing about gandalf5166. Has been disproportionately (and uncharacteristically) lurky.

Still could be recruitor.

Yes. Erg0, Darox, Flameaxe, and gandalf5166 ARE the top recruiter picks left. Unless you suspect ooba has been pulling a fast one. Which I do. What do you think of the no-result?

What POSSIBLE explanation would explain a no-result on him?

9. Porochaz

----

- We know nothing about Porochaz. Has been acting like a buzzkill since D1, and has contributed nothing.

I love this, and its done to get a reaction out of me as I feel today, day 1 and for part of yesterday I was contributing, but I also won't put up with shit. Like the stuff that was spewing out of almost everyones mouths day 1. Or like now, where you seem to be heavily after ooba when it's fairly clear he is what he says he is and out of all of you only xvart is coming up with arguments worth listening to at all. You speak loads but in the end you are saying nothing, god even your claim was totally void of content!

Oh and I guess I could be recruiter.

No. A recruiter wouldn't act like a VI (at least on purpose). You are completely stupid and don't even bother saying otherwise.

10. ReaperCharlie

----

- Was investigated by Andrius on N0, with a town result.

----

- Claimed Enforcer.

----

- Claimed Targets:

--------

- Faraday N0 (flavor indicated that Faraday had been bodyguarded, effectively blocking the investigation)

--------

- ooba N1 (no-result)

--------

- Lord Gurgi N2 (town)

--------

- Chronopie N3 (town)

Really... what I said above. The fact Im putting a lot of credit into Andi's claim makes this result annoying. It makes certain your not a recruiter... but it seems like you have tried your hardest to be as unhelpful as possible.

I could have just not said anything. Do you believe that I'm a cop or not? Or do you think I'm just recruited-scum trying to mislead the town? And if so, HOW COULD I BE DOING THAT IF WHAT I'M DOING IS F@#$ING CONFIRMING WHAT ANDRIUS ALREADY SAID.

I SWEAR, YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST DENSE PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET ON THIS SITE.

11. Robocopter87

----

- Claimed "Cult Doctor" (still unsubstantiated as a role).

----

- Claimed Targets: _____ N0, Andrius N1, Andrius N2, Andrius N3, Andrius N4.

----

- Could have been blocked, does not know.

How is it unsubstantiated at all? and how could he be blocked and not know!?

He could be recruited into the same faction as Andrius, and is now only pretending to "cult doc" andrius every night, when he could be just coordinating with his cult leader on who NOT to doc, so that they can "cult doc" whoever the rival cult might want to recruit, and make sure to miss who HIS recruiter wants to recruit.

Right now, the ooba(rec)/singersigner/Andrius/Robocopter/????? cult looks like the rival cult that Yos2 spoke of. Oh wait, you still don't believe there are 2 cults lololol

12. singersigner

----

- Claimed Loose Cannon.

----

- Was the one who claimed that Loose Cannons had the ability to trade their 1s-vig for a double-vote.

----

- Claimed to have actually made the trade, and a vote labeled "?????" appeared on the vote-count in addition to hers.

----

- There is no way of knowing if that was actually HER vote, or if it was linked either directly or indirectly to her role.

No but its a bit of a stretch... however whether singer is a loose cannon is questionable... but suffice to say not a recruiter.

If singersigner is NOT a loose cannon, then she is DEFINITELY a recruiter. She has not proved her role at all. All we have to go on is what she/ooba say. If we lynch one of them and they flip scum, then we know the other is scum as well. And vice versa. I don't get how you're not seeing this.

Otherwise we go into tomorrow only knowing as much as we did before about the whole situation with them. They are either both scum, or both town. And no townie would waste their vig shot. And NO scum would waste their vig shot either, unless by doing so they thought they could prove their townieness. And what BETTER reason to waste your vig shot than to "confirm" your RECRUITER (who has 2 no-results from cops) as TOWN.

THE PIECES ARE ALL THERE, JUST ADD THEM UP.

IDIOT.

13. xvart

----

- We know nothing about xvart. Has been on crack for the latter half of the game. ;P

Could still be recruiter.

True. But I doubt it due to my town read on xvart.

14. Yosarian2

----

- Was investigated by Andrius on N3 to be recruited cultscum.

----

- Has claimed that his cult is small and that the other is much larger.

The latter sentence should be disregarded. Putting too much into that line is fundamentally flawed.

What reason does he have to lie about that? And even if he is, what difference does it make? I was listing info.

Disclaimer:

The above is from my memory, and is very likely missing quite a few things. I would appreciate it if you'd all volunteer information (already known or not) so we can get all this sh*t taken care of. Because this game is stretching too long and I'm getting rather sick of it. Either way, if you see anything that is WRONG, or MISSING, please let me know, and provide the correct information.

Then replace out. Please. You keep collating this data and all it's doing is hurting the town by making sure cult have a one stop shop to all the valuable info. Its ridiculous and despite calling you out on it a number of times, you keep doing it. I know Ive been a dick and hypocrite in one respect most of the game, but when I say, "what you are doing is completely anti town" and then give reasons why most people regardless of alignment would take that as a hint...

I have nothing to say to you, because you're obviously an idiot. Since scum know more than town ANYWAY, and are making their own lists in their own QT's ANYWAY, we might as well do it here. If we hope that they rely on OUR lists, and then decide not to make any, JUST SO THEY CAN'T USE OUR WORK TO WIN, then we are defeating ourselves. The fact that you've been on MafiaScum this much longer than me, and STILL don't see that, is pretty pathetic.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm going to post this now and then I'm going to finish looking at Day 2 and then I'm going to go sleep before starting on the remainder of the game.

*Notes on the setup*
It seems from my read through that people are dealing with this game the wrong way. You can't just look for scummy play and lynch it. Even if you have amazing accuracy and get a recruit every day town will lose, because cults regenerate. This is compounded doubly so by the fact we (apparently) have 2 cults in competition. To the cults, the town is more like a chaotic resource than an enemy. To win, the cults just need to disadvantage the opposing cult so that in the endgame when the town has dried up, they have the numbers advantage. Town will never win if they don't kill both recruiters in relatively quick succession, preferably starting with the larger cult.

Lynching recruits is a waste of valuable time

, and it also dangerously shifts the balance of power. If one cult gets repeatedly culled while the other goes unchecked, it will end up too numerous for the town & opposing cult to combat, and they will win outright even if they lose their recruiter. Obviously, we don't want this to happen. On the other side, lynching recruits of a dominant cult also only serves to hurt town. It doesn't reduce the size of the dominant cult, it just gives time for the weaker cult to grow in power, while lowering the towns weight and thus their overall chances of winning.

*This may have already been said and I haven't reached it yet, in which case I apologize for repetition and making assumptions about peoples cult knowledge

No; this is solid. Which is why I want ooba lynched. Because I think he's the larger cult's leader.

Please read my posts and let me know what you think of the mountain of evidence against ooba.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well shit; my cult team looks pretty BA at the moment. 100% successful recruit rate, plus two claimed cops and a cult recruiting doctor... versus a recruiter, a depleted claimed loose canon, an publicly known member, and some other random dude.

xvart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

+100

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Hobbes: I will be glad when this is all over so I can go be a PI like I always wanted.

@ Poro: I explained in my claiming post why I claimed when I did. Again, not reading the thread. Yes, I figured my credibility might be low, which I explained in the same post.

As for the logic of keeping ooba alive, it eludes me entirely.

I will vote ooba or Erg0 or gandalf, everyone else seems town/recruited to me.

Be back Monday.

[ReaperCharlie]

Xvart, what do you think of this:
- What do you make of Faraday (An unrecruited VT) giving no result N0 as according to RC? This seems to throw the biggest spanner into the "Ooba is recruiter because of no-result" theory.

And the fact that zwet claimed to be targeting dramonic.

There's a difference between my Faraday and ooba results.

As you might know if you'd, oh... READ THE THREAD.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll switch as soon as Yos checks in and answers or refuses to answer Darox's questions. Depending on his answer.

^this

[ReaperCharlie]

- Answering the above questions (Especially the second) will help prove/disprove Ooba & Singersigner as non recruits which will be invaluable in finding the enemy recruiter as well as preventing a possible mislynch today.

Sorry, I don't have any info that is likely to help in that regard.

Did your cult start with 1 or 2 members at the beginning of the game? i.e. Recruiter only, or recruiter +1. Keep in mind that this means before the N0 recruiting opportunity.

can everyone tell me why they believe yos to be part of the smaller cult?

cause he said so.

[ReaperCharlie]

*twirls mustache while thinking deeply*

Methinks Poro is in the larger cult, and is boasting indirectly.

[ReaperCharlie]

Fifth Situation Report of Day Four

[4]

ooba

(

ReaperCharlie

,

singersigner

,

gandalf5166

,

xvart

)

[3]

Erg0

(

Andrius

, Chronopie,

Flameaxe

)

[2]

gandalf5166

(

Erg0

,

ooba

)

Holstered:

Darox

,

Lord Gurgi,

Porochaz

,

Robocopter87

,

Yosarian2

With fourteen alive, it will take eight drawn weapons to kill someone.

QFR

(with colors)

[ReaperCharlie]

is he? oops. i can't tell the difference, i'm on a stupid mac.

way to get distracted by the colors and not pay attention to the patterns though, dimbulbs.

[ReaperCharlie]

Gurgi. She is ALREADY RECRUITED. That is PAINFULLY F#%&ING OBVIOUS.

Remind me again why we suffer you to live, when Mr. Obvrecruit Andrius over there was the one who cleared you as town?

FoS: Lord Gurgi

Not to mention you make NO sense.

Also. I swear. xvart, we need to hydra soon, I think my brain might explode otherwise.

Cue: Gurgi defending the guy who investigated him as town.

OH WAIT SH*T HE BEAT ME TO IT. THE GUY IS TELEPATHIC.

Gurgi can swing too.

Uh....

'cause you are obviously recruited scum, and tried to clear him as town. Last time I remember somebody doing that... hmmm.... OH WAIT, IT WAS

ME

IN HARRY POTTER CLEARING JMJ/MAGNA AS TOWN, AND HE TURNED OUT TO BE MY SCUM BUDDY. THEN HE PROCEEDED TO SKATE ALL THE WAY TO ENDGAME AND A BEAUTIFULLY PERFECT SCUM VICTORY. HERP DERP A LERP

How do you explain these posts on day 3 RC?

Wise man once say:

The man who does not stir the pot, walks away empty handed.

So, regardless of my alignment or results, poking and prodding is my MO.

P.S. You're making me blush with your constant scrutiny.

Fifth Situation Report of Day Four

[4]

ooba

(

ReaperCharlie

,

singersigner

,

gandalf5166

,

xvart

)

[3]

Erg0

(

Andrius

, Chronopie,

Flameaxe

)

[2]

gandalf5166

(

Erg0

,

ooba

)

Holstered:

Darox

,

Lord Gurgi,

Porochaz

,

Robocopter87

,

Yosarian2

With fourteen alive, it will take eight drawn weapons to kill someone.

QFR

(with colors)

Aww no colour for me :'(

But I'm guessing this is your reads,

sans

cult grouping. rite?

So you firmly believe Erg0 is a CR? Put your vote on him kthx. It's not

all

too long to deadline.

Meh. You should be green.

And how do you extrapolate that I firmly believe Erg0 is a CR? /facetious

I will vote for Erg0 if the wagons swing but as it is, I still want ooba gone first.

In other words, I'm happy with my ooba vote.

[ReaperCharlie]

Plz answer my question Yos.

[ReaperCharlie]

Now hold on one second ReaperCharlie.

You think that me and Andrius are in a cult? I've been protecting the cop constantly and you just assume we are in the cult because it can fit if you shove it into the puzzle hard enough?

Listen, you have NO backing to this accusation. I could say you are a recruit but does that mean you are?

So stop putting people into categories unless you got some frikkin evidence, otherwise you can just shut up.

lol.

green = good
red = bad

what do they teach kids in mafia school these days?

[ReaperCharlie]

ReaperCharlie is probably a recruitee, so I'm not taking anything he says as truth.
He was probably never even an Enforcer; his FV claim was same as mine (IIRC), and we investigated the same people (WTF).

Both him and Yos need to be censured; nothing they say can be taken as 1oo% truth.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... *frowns, tries again*

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... *motions for everyone to sing along*

*tries one more time... realizes it'll just be him by himself... realizes that's not so bad*

HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU
HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU
HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY DEARRRRRR ANDRIUUUUUUSSSS
HAAAAPPY BIIRRRRTHDAYYYYY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU

<3

[ReaperCharlie]

Enough WIFOM. Enough distrust of claimed people. We are getting somebody swung, and it better be ooba.

Even if I WAS recruited, I would still be trying my best to lynch the enemy recruiter, right? SO WHAT THE @#$^. JUST LYNCH ONE OF THEM I DON'T CARE WHICH. BUT WE HAVE A LOAD OF EVIDENCE AGAINST OOBA AND HALF OF YOU JUST WANNA PLUG YOUR YEARS AND CLOSE YOUR EYES AND STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY.

WHAT THE FFFFFFFf.

For repetition's sake, here is the case against ooba/singersigner.

1.

Why would signersigner

completely

waste

a vig shot

unless she was protecting someone? i.e. herself or a recruiter. Answer:

SHE WOULDN'T. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO.

2.

We don't even know that ooba is a loose cannon at all.

He hasn't proven it except for claiming a nightkill that could have been a scum nightkill. Which was on one of the most pro-town people in the game at that point.

3.

We don't know that signersigner is a loose cannon at all.

She hasn't proven anything except for a mechanic which only ooba corroborates, and that the only confirmed loose cannon NEVER MENTIONED. Which leads me to the next point.

4.

We don't know that the

?????

vote was singersigner.

In fact, I'd bet good money that it

wasn't

her. It could have been anyone, not just her or ooba. The whole thing is, we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WHICH MAKES IT ALL FISHY.

5.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING signersigner says is.... ooba. Great.

6.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING ooba says is.... signersigner. Great.

7.

TWO SEPARATE COPS got a NO-RESULT on ooba!

HE IS NOT TOWN. HE IS NOT RECRUITEDSCUM. WE WERE NOT BLOCKED. SO THE ONLY THING LEFT IS.... *DUN DUN DUUUuuuuUuUuuuUUNNNN!!!!* -- YOU DO THE MATH.

NOBODY HAS EVEN TRIED TO NAME

ONE

SCENARIO THAT WOULD COME EVEN

CLOSE

TO EXPLAINING

HALF

OF THE OOBA/SIGNERSIGNER NONSENSE THAT I JUST POSTED ABOVE, AND TOO MANY OF YOU SEEM TO JUST WANT TO IGNORE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACES.

TL;DR:

GO BACK AND READ THIS POST, YOU LAZY SACK OF CRAP.
THEN GET YOUR VOTE ON OOBA WHERE IT BELONGS.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Quag: Giggity. Love your poker face. And whatever you decide to do, hurry up, either way. And preferably, vote for ooba.

@ Darox: rofl. Cause I'd TOTALLY stick my neck out/paint a target on my back if I was a recruiter. Yeaahh that makes sense.

[ReaperCharlie]

What's the bandwagon on me for? Lurking/inactivity?

For possibly being a recruiter. And for being suspicious.

What page does day two start on?

post #1220

....

[ReaperCharlie]

ooba's 2541 is ridiculously terrible.

1. Tries to throw more dirt on my case by saying I shouldn't be paid any attention to because I am biased because of SW mafia.
But did I mention SW mafia in #2500? no. This is a poor excuse to stop his wagon from going through.

2. Asks Robocopter whether he'd rather vote for the "opposite" recruiter. As in, the recruiter that is not him. Scumslip.

Love,
-Reaper

[ReaperCharlie]

Robo:

I personally feel you're a recruit since the hop on-to my wagon was too easy. Wouldn't you rather try for the opposite recruiter?

I despise this sentence with every fibre of my being. I'd be willing to vote you based on this alone if the singer business made any sense.

Yes. Somebody else saw it too.

LMAO PLANE



Die plz ooba. thx.

[ReaperCharlie]

I just noticed that the 3 claimed LC/4 LC actions discrepancy would explain the singer/ooba confusion, so unless Yosarian comes and tells me cults have the ability to night kill, I'm suddenly more amendable to lynching Ooba.

That's what I've been waiting for too. *waits for Yos*

And btw Darox, you saying this makes me believe you are town. Finally.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, I am very selective.

Yes, I am very biased.

Yes, I am very opinionated.



Any questions?

[ReaperCharlie]

What do you make of the two investigations on ooba that both gave non-results?

Do cult factions have a means to nightkill...

other

than recruited Loose Cannons?

[ReaperCharlie]

^ @ Yos2.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok... while that IS the kind of gambit I'd love to play (recruiting my best friend in the game on N0, seeing he's a cop, thinking "score! gambit time!", having him claim cop D1, and claim an innocent on me, claiming cop MYSELF on D4 and parroting his results, drawing all sorts of attention to myself and trying to push a lynch on who I think is the OTHER recruiter, all the while painting a blazing red target on my head).... unfortunately it just wasn't in the cards this game. Maybe next time, baby.

However. It IS very interesting to see that Darox, after reading the thread (hopefully in its entirety), decides that THIS CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE, he'd rather push a lynch on the most ridiculous candidate possible (Yours Truly), instead of ... oh... maybe CONTRIBUTING to a lynch that's already got say... ONE vote on it? Even, two? Or even ANY of the people who haven't been confirmed as non-recruiter by either of the two (claimed) cops? i.e. himself, Erg0, xvart, Flameaxe, and the one or two others?

WHAT THE HE11, FOLKS.

I mean. I would probably rofl and all, but it's too /headdesk for even that.

So Darox: I'll make a deal with you. Lynch ooba today. If ooba flips town, you guys can lynch me tomorrow and I won't care because I've already lost. And if (like I think might be correct) he flips recruiter, we'll lynch you tomorrow. If he flips recruited, we'll also lynch you tomorrow, for indirectly trying to defend him (ironically, after half-bussing him through most of your catchup posts).

Deal?

[ReaperCharlie]

Feel free to ignore MY point that voting anyone besides ooba or Erg0 is USELESS at this point. Especially if it's me.

[ReaperCharlie]

Lynching recruits is a waste of valuable time

, and it also dangerously shifts the balance of power. If one cult gets repeatedly culled while the other goes unchecked, it will end up too numerous for the town & opposing cult to combat, and they will win outright even if they lose their recruiter. Obviously, we don't want this to happen.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

But if it'll help you sleep at night, I'll vote RC because I still think he is a legitimate lynch choice today.

Aim: ReaperCharlie

wait, after what you just said...LOL?

Gandalf is the greatest lynch.

Aim: Gandalf

Quick before Flay notices.

Yarrrr... this is absolutely incredible. keep throwing that sh*t around to see where it sticks.





I would actually be down for a Darox lynch if we can't push the ooba one through.

Though I believe we can, and I believe it is the best lynch.

[ReaperCharlie]

^ This relies on the supposition that all town will vote the same way and agree with each other.

[ReaperCharlie]

Lynching recruits is a waste of valuable time

, and it also dangerously shifts the balance of power. If one cult gets repeatedly culled while the other goes unchecked, it will end up too numerous for the town & opposing cult to combat, and they will win outright even if they lose their recruiter. Obviously, we don't want this to happen.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

But if it'll help you sleep at night, I'll vote RC because I still think he is a legitimate lynch choice today.

Aim: ReaperCharlie

wait, after what you just said...LOL?

Gandalf is the greatest lynch.

Aim: Gandalf

Quick before Flay notices.

Yarrrr... this is absolutely incredible. keep throwing that sh*t around to see where it sticks.





I would actually be down for a Darox lynch if we can't push the ooba one through.

Though I believe we can, and I believe it is the best lynch.

Yup, saying lynching recruits is a waste of time and then voting someone I think is a recruiter is a total contradiction.

Now that we have marginally enough time to not try for bullshit rushed lynch, can we lynch RC already?

It's pretty obvious that the large cult wants Ooba eliminated, but it's not enough for them to win, or they would have hammered already. That's good. I'm more inclined to lynch Gandalf since he's third in popularity and I don't think Quag is particularly a better lynch.

I actually would think the opposite: that the large cult doesn't want ooba dead and has the numbers to practically necessitate everyone that is not in their cult to coordinate against them. Anyone town and everyone not in ooba's cult that has not voted needs to put a vote on ooba now.

The fact of the matter is that ooba has evidence against him (whether or not you think that is good evidence is beside the point now). The other suggested people that might be recruiter are Erg0, Prozac, Gandalf, and for pretty much the same reason: lurking, flying under the radar, etc. So... with three options there, you want to take a chance that one of them is more likely the recruiter based on what? Where is the distinction? Why vote gandalf over Erg0 or Prozac and vice versa?

ooba has more evidence against him than the three that are all guilty of possibly being a recruiter based on similar playstyle.

xvart.

This is awful terrible awful and makes me suspect you are part of the cult. "It doesn't matter if you don't think there is a good case on Ooba, lynch him anyway because hey, everyone on Ooba is town because I said so."

Ooba has bugger all evidence against him that isn't outweighed by the evidence that he's a LC.

Read this post.

Try not to facepalm.

It's impossible.

[ReaperCharlie]

Since you're browsing the forum Yos, what is your opinion on Darox?

[ReaperCharlie]

*notes AGAIN the surprising number of people unwilling to hammer ooba*

*realizes that it's just because they just don't want to hammer their recruiter*

*chuckles quietly to himself and waits patiently for somebody to hammer*

...

[ReaperCharlie]

and it's now pretty clear that ooba is the small cult recruiter

???????

Unvote; Vote gandalf

I can also go Quag (based on Erg0's play) but I prefer gandalf now. I'm sick of trying to push ooba through; I may thank you guys later if ooba turns out to not be a recruiter.

If you supported an ooba lynch up until this point, forget it. It's not going through, and there are other juicier targets now. Pile on somebody quick so we can kill someone, anyone. Either Quag or gandalf is fine.

[ReaperCharlie]

And yet it wasn't there when Erg0 was in the slot.

Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the fact that the only real reason Erg0 was up on trial was that he was a horrible lurker with no input and no ties to suggest he's not a recruiter. Or that gandalf is a detriment to the town with exactly the same evidence against him that Erg0 had. Or that what brief interaction with Quagmire has shown that he's not pants on head retarded like approximately half the people here.

Just joking, it's because he's our cult recruiter and we wuv him too much to lynch him.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

This.

[ReaperCharlie]

The heavy resistance to voting Quagmire is noted.

Oh, and there was no heavy resistance to ooba, huh. Yeahhhhh

[ReaperCharlie]

UNOFFICIAL Situation Report of Day Four

[7]

gandalf5166 (Darox, Lord Gurgi, ooba, ReaperCharlie, Flameaxe, singersigner, Porochaz)

[3]

ooba (xvart, Robocopter87, Quagmire)

[3]

Quagmire (Andrius, Chronopie, gandalf5166)

Holstered: Yosarian2

With fourteen alive, it will take eight drawn weapons to kill someone. Day Four may last as long as 3:00 AM due to the late replacement, though it will shorten Day Five.

[ReaperCharlie]

Gandalf claim please ..

You and your buddies in your quicktopic were sweating bullets weren't you

[ReaperCharlie]

Gurgi/gandalf resolves! You are hit by a misthrown salmon, and your cheek becomes red! You lose 49 hit points and miss your next turn!

Porochaz uses a secondhand microwave to reheat ReaperCharlie's unofficial vote count from one page ago, and also hits Andrius, this time for 37 hit points!

Andrius stumbles, and nobody is there to help him up! Realizing this, he loses morale! He also suddenly realizes that he has typhoid fever!

[ReaperCharlie]

Man you already pointed it out with big neon lights when you called Gandalf a liar.

So what role are you? The mysterious fourth Loose Cannon?

ftfy

[ReaperCharlie]

And... that's a wrap. See you in the morning, sports fans.

*is more than mildly upset that ooba was not lynched*

*is highly suspicious of those who wouldn't lynch ooba*

[ReaperCharlie]

/me backhands Porochaz

/me glares at ooba

[ReaperCharlie]

Giggity.

[ReaperCharlie]

Tinfoil theory: ooba is Yos' recruiter. Gandalf was recruit.

holy f*cking sh*t I swear Andrius. don't make me disembowel you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Honestly gandalf, if you even are town, it's your own fault you were lynched. If not... then... well, you got what was coming to you anyway.
I have gotten lynched a lot. It blows, so all I had to do was learn what NOT to do. And then.. wham-o! A miracle!. I stopped getting lynched.

For example:
Even with incontrovertible evidence against someone like Yos, Glork, or SpyreX, they still usually don't get lynched for at least a day or two.
Why? Cause they're exceedingly useful as either town or scum. Conversely, useless people don't need half a reason to get lynched. i.e. you.
No offense meant by that last, but if you're upset about being lynched as a townie for the gazillionth time, then it's time to look in the mirror.

Also try reading this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ood_Townie

[ReaperCharlie]

ooba's flip kind of makes me think singersigner is town now. Which leaves:

Andrius (cop - but might be recruited by now)
Chronopie (town night before last, but might be recruited)
Darox (no knowledge)
Flameaxe (no knowledge)
Lord Gurgi (town a few nights ago, but might be recruited)
Porochaz (no knowledge)
ReaperCharlie (cop - but might be recruited by now)
Quagmire (no knowledge)
Robocopter87 (cult doc - no corroboration - might be anything)
xvart (no knowledge)
Yosarian2 (confirmed/confessed cult recruit)

[ReaperCharlie]

Aaaaand.... as I just wrote that, I felt a huge nudge in the back of my brain.

----tinfoil starts here----
What if Yos2 caught vezo or Robo dropping PR tells and recruited him,
What if Andrius was recruited by Yos2 the night after that,
and then Andrius gave a 'recruited' result on Yos2, to clear him?
And Yos2 might still be a recruiter.
----tinfoil ends here----

That said, it's not my gut feeling. But my gut was totally wrong about ooba ... I'm super glad I didn't make the "I'll eat my hat" promise, because that leaves me at a perfect 0% record of hat-eating at mafiascum -- or anywhere for that matter...

So who we have left unclaimed and/or have no info about them is:

- Darox
- Flameaxe
- Porochaz
- Quagmire
- xvart

We cannot/must not lynch anyone but one of them today.

[ReaperCharlie]

My guess is that either:

a) there is still an unclaimed loose cannon out there who shot him (not sure how likely this is. I'd have thought they'd use their shot before now).
b) one or both of the cults thought I was right about ooba and decided to kill him, trying to take out the opposite recruiter, OR, the most sinister option:
c) one of the cults sorta thought there might be a slight off-chance that ooba might be the opposite recruiter, so they decided it fell in line with their goals of killing the opposite recruiter, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME knowing it would make ME look really bad for pushing ooba so hard. And would incriminate me a lot (as being in league with Andrius or w/e, which is the only way any of this would work, because Andrius said I was town N0 and therefore I could not be a recruiter). and of course
d), there is an unclaimed loose cannon who thought the same thing as c)... that I might be a recruiter, and ooba might be a recruiter, and that I was pushing him so hard because I really thought he was the opposite one, and wanted him dead.

Leaving me to believe that if d) is the case, that Darox is that unclaimed loose cannon.

My wheels are still turning about what all this means, so here is a little more on ooba/singersigner. ooba's flip originally made me write SS off, but then all of a sudden I realized that him flipping TOWN as opposed to flipping SCUM tells us a lot. Now that we know ooba flipped unrecruited, we know that singersigner wasn't lying about her ability. I am still very iffy about why me and Andrius both got no-results on ooba on Night 2. Because it's not as if anyone could have known that one (let alone TWO) cops would target him that night. MEANING, that the only way ooba is scum is if he's a reverse death anti-miller. And yes, I just said that. If he's scum, he's either that, or he's a delayed-trueflip reverse death anti-miller. Meaning we'll get his real flip tomorrow or something. Idk, I've seen that in another game.

But since that IS as ridiculous as it sounds, and since trying to base any semblance of scumhunting off that is even further along the path to insanity, we need to focus

So (barring the near-impossibility of what I said above about anti-millers), whether they knew it or not, whoever killed ooba last night just did town a HUGE favor.
- they removed the main diversion (ooba), and cleared up the floor for focusing on recruiters
- they cleared signersigner as telling the truth about doublevoting, which makes her probtown

And even if the anti-miller thing IS true, that means they just killed one of the recruiters, so it's good either way. So... I'm totally waving my little flag of happiness here in my new house. Because I can finally get somewhere on the whole ooba/SS thing, and it narrows things down A LOT for me.

[ReaperCharlie]

More later. This is quite a lot to take in and I have to think about it all.

I am interested to know Andrius' results from last night.

(and I have withheld mine for the time being on purpose, for certain reasons).

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. After such time as Andrius reveals his results, the time will be ripe for an alliance. I know nobody will listen to me, because I was wrong about ooba. But if Andrius says somebody's a recruiter, and they flip recruiter, he should be the one to lead it. And it will include all of the people we know nothing about so far (i.e. poro, flame, xvart, darox, quag)

[ReaperCharlie]

Your post actually sounds like town, because if you were scum then you'd understand us being suspicious of you.

Either way, I don't see your post as coming from scum. So, you've never gotten roleblock flavor?

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait, what does saying you're wary of me accomplish? If YOU believe he is town, then you MUST by association believe I am not a recruiter. If that is the case, then what is the point of reiterating any kind of suspicion on me, as if you are telling the truth and you believe he is telling the truth, then it is impossible that I am a recruiter. And if I'm not (which I'm not) then what is the point of saying that?

Still though, I believe that Andrius is a cop. Unless there is some gambit to end all gambits going on, he has to be one. And based on my read of you, even against all my insecurities with trusting people, I almost HAVE to believe that you are town. Still, my mind keeps asking me why the cults wouldn't have tried to recruit you, or at least kill you. It DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Therefore I still have small reason to believe that you are gambiting scum. Even though my heart tells me that you are likely NOT gambiting scum, my logical brain doesn't want me to make that commitment to itself to believe you. In other words, the exact same reason you are like that with me: leery to trust what I say. Get it?

But even so, I am 100% sick of everything tinfoil (all evidence to the contrary, heh), so that means I will be voting for one of "The Five that Remain."

Still waiting on Andrius before I lay a vote.

[ReaperCharlie]

No I haven't, I'm questioning whether Andrius is Town or not. I mean, why would I not be roleblocked? Unless he didn't mind having a cult doc "confirming" him per say.

Yeah. True.

*reluctantly pulls out tinfoil hat again*

[ReaperCharlie]

But that would mean that one of the following had to be the case:

a) he'd have to have been faking results the whole time, which is impossible because he kept getting the same results as me, even up to Night 3 on Lord Gurgi.
b) he recruited somebody else (coincidentally an enforcer) on Night 0, they had an investigation result on ME which they then fed to him, and he used his "can't be a recruiter" status to gain town cred, probably cleared his enforcer as town, and has been having his recruited enforcer feed him results all game. And they'd be able to wing it on Day 1 without really having a plan (unless they have

daytalk

as well ... *groan*) because Andrius would be able to claim cop whenever he wanted, and could fake a result on pretty much anyone in the game because the chances of being cult on Day 1 were basically nil.

So here are Andy's results:
-investigated RC on N0 (result: town)
-investigated ooba on N1 (no result)
-investigated Lord Gurgi on N2 (result: town)
-investigated Yos2 on N3 (result: scum)


I forget... when was it that Andrius said I was town? was it Day 1, or was it after that?

And I DO admit, I have been getting these shifty vibes from Andrius all game, even though with you protecting him it doesn't MAKE SENSE that he's been recruited.

Stay online, Robo. We need to talk more about this.

[ReaperCharlie]

You are somewhat right about the cops being semi-useless. And I failed to expound on Andy's results above, so here I go:

Andy/ooba as recruiter/enforcer is impossible due to ooba's flip.
Andy/LG as recruiter/enforcer is impossible due to my result on Lord Gurgi (town on N3).

That leaves Andy/RC and Andy/Yos. I said above that if Andy is a recruiter and is playing this gambit, that Andy

"probably cleared his enforcer as town"

, which would make sense to do... otherwise he'd run out of results and obviously be exposed (unless he recruited another enforcer along the way, which I'll admit is possible. But he couldn't know that'd happen so he'd probably try to clear his dude ASAP).

Keep in mind that what I'm saying below can have EITHER of the parties involved being EITHER the recruiter, OR the enforcer.

So, let's check the score.

Points towards Andy/Yos being a recruiter/enforcer pair:
- Andy says he suspects Yos all game, but doesn't investigate him until Night 4? wtf
- By that time, it's pretty clear that nobody will go after cult RECRUITS until both RECRUITERS are dead. (Ok... but Yos will still be a prime target once we get the recruiters.)
- Weak bussing the entire time ("I'm gonna investigate you, d00d").

Points towards Andy/RC being a recruiter/enforcer:
- Andy cleared RC as town on Night 0.
- They're both claimed enforcers.
- They even investigated the SAME TARGETS on two nights.
- RC's N0 result on Faraday was useless because Faraday already flipped.
- Frequent pseudo-bussing ("I'm gonna investigate you AGAIN", "I bet you're scum", etc).

Ok.

Now, if I was NOT me, the obvious choice would be Andy/RC over Andy/Yos. Simply because of when he investigated me, the overlap in our targets, and so on. The only wrench in the works is that we had two investigation targets on N4: Chronopie (town) and Yosarian2 (scum). But these are both able to be explained away, because Chrono could now be in our faction as well, or because (if Andy/RC), Yos2 could be a recruit and Andy is looking for further towncred by bussing via investigation. Either way, Andy/RC is obviously the more tantalizing of the two to believe, if you're so inclined.

However, BEING me, I know that it can't possibly be me/Andy, because IT'S SIMPLY NOT.

BUT EVEN WITH ALL THAT SAID, I

STILL

THINK IT'S A BETTER BET TO GO FOR ONE OF THE FIVE GUYS WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

And here are some OTHER questions:

1. Why wasn't Yos2 killed (by the cult other than his) last night? Was it because they thought I was right, and that ooba WAS the opposite recruiter, and wanted to kill HIM?

2. And if it was a Loose Cannon that killed ooba, why wouldn't they have COME FORWARD AND CONFIRMED THE OOBA/SS STORY INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM? It makes no sense for the loose cannon to have killed ooba, unless they were recruited into a cult. So either we have another Loose Cannon that's been recruited, OR the cults have a night kill. And the reason for no further NK's on the cults' parts has to be because of a Kill-or-Recruit mechanic.

That's enough to make me believe it's Kill-or-Recruit for the cults.

[ReaperCharlie]

Robo, when did you start protecting me?

Just need a quick refresher before.
Still haven't heard from Flay...

He's claimed to have protected you since N1, after you claimed you were a cop.

Therefore, the only possible ways that would mean you were scum, would be if:

a) robo is lying about his role, or
b) you were a recruiter

[ReaperCharlie]

If you're 100% positive they're the recruiter, spit out their name so I can vote them.

Why do you have to wait on Flay?

[ReaperCharlie]

Okay, that makes sense.

I got nearly the same flavor N0 against Faraday, who apparently had been bodyguarded. I did not get the other stuff about how they were watching me, but that's probably because Faraday wasn't cult (and probably because his bodyguard wasn't either, at the time).

Vote: Quagmire

I too am wondering what the 'consequences' are for Andrius. Let us know when Flay tells you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh yeah. As for my investigation results, I checked Darox and he is town.

[ReaperCharlie]

So after Quag, that leaves us Flameaxe and xvart. *rubs hands excitedly*

Things are beginning to look up, baby!

[ReaperCharlie]

*facepalms at Darox*

So hey let's not lynch Quagmire right off the bat.

Why not? Did you read the thread before you posted?

First, let's have a massclaim.

Why? How could this possibly help us? Mass claim is another day out, at least, if not two.



See, blatantly anti-town behavior like that is why I investigated you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm, let's see. Cause both Andrius and I investigated him to be town on Night 3.

In other words: Apparently he's only throwing out investigations from Night 4 on.