Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[ReaperCharlie]

So who do you suggest we lynch, Darox?

I say this with all possible deference and respect.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, vote count please.

[ReaperCharlie]

[ReaperCharlie]

Quagmire, who do you think is a recruiter? Why don't you think we should believe Andrius?

Porochaz, signersigner, Robocopter, Yosarian2, why aren't you voting?
You have all posted since Andrius revealed his results, and you have all posting elsewhere on the site, numerous times.

Gurgi, why are you still voting Andrius? Do you really think he should be lynched at this point?

Darox, I have no words for. He is playing his own game it seems.

WHERE ARE YOU GUYS. FFS.

[ReaperCharlie]

Um... dude. xvart is already voting for Quagmire... vote count's right at the top of the page.

And besides, how do you extrapolate xvart-scum from post #2803 either way?

Because he wants his (quite valid, imo) question to porochaz answered, before it's too late?

[ReaperCharlie]

Wow this town is so fail. Recruit me tonight, bigger cult.

I beg of you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Said the obv-recruit.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't care if you do or not. *I* know what I am.

And yes, I still think you're town....but you making comments like that isn't helping anyone.

[ReaperCharlie]

Haha! sry Chrono your "/inb4idiots" came 4 minutes too late...

[ReaperCharlie]

You cannot base a theory that I am a recruiter on anything other than that Andrius is scum as well, and has been scum with me since Day 1.

Which do you think is more prudent? Deciding to distrust both claimed cops and starting over again from square 0, OR, lynching a guy with a guilty on him?

.... well? ....

And honestly... do you think I inspected you last night just so's I could give a town result and then buddy up to you? ... lol

[ReaperCharlie]

And by Day 1 above, of course I mean Night 0.

[ReaperCharlie]

Haha. Nice observation, Quag! Ok so, we've narrowed it down this far:

Andrius - cop
Chronopie - RB
Darox - town as of last night

Flameaxe - ?????

Lord Gurgi - town as of night 3
Porochaz - RB
ReaperCharlie - town as of night 0

Quagmire - ?????

Robocopter87 - cult doc
singersigner - loose cannon

xvart - ?????

Yosarian2

How very astute of you to choose one of the last two besides yourself as recruiter.

And not both.

You just basically admitted you are one, and now we know where to find the other.

Which means xvart is probably the guy who was bodyguarding you last night.

[ReaperCharlie]

How very astute of you to choose one of the last two besides yourself as recruiter.

And not both.

You just basically admitted you are one, and now we know where to find the other.

Which means xvart is probably the guy who was bodyguarding you last night.

Did you just imply that Quag is a recruiter and that he revealed the opposite recruiter as well by only mentioning Flameaxe?

See, this is why I want to kill you. Because that's RETARDED.

No. That's not retarded.

YOU'RE retarded.

[ReaperCharlie]

So ITT Darox is recruited by Quagmire?

xvart.

No. ITT you are recruited by Quagmire. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Stop insulting each other or you'll get to see if you're flame-retardant.

Well, I already know I'M flame-retardant, because a) I don't catch fire when Darox flames me, and b) I'm just... retardant.

[ReaperCharlie]

Stop insulting each other or you'll get to see if you're flame-retardant.

Well, I already know I'M flame-retardant, because a) I don't catch fire when Darox flames me, and b) I'm just... retardant.

You need a serious pride check bro

[ReaperCharlie]

Though I am guessing his reply to this post will be somthing like this.

yup

Preview Edit: DARNIT REAPER.

[ReaperCharlie]

My perspective is: Darox's perspective makes no sense, so we should all stop listening to him.

That's my only perspective.

I mean, look how ooba turned out. It's basically time for me to be done with pushing lynches.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wow, this game has degenerated into garbage fast.

If I were town, I would probably be trying to get answers and opinions from people who are choosing to not vote quagmire. If quagmire is the large cult leader, town will quite likely be able to figure out pretty much everyone in his cult just based on who isn't voting here and why. I'm not sure why the activity in this game is dwindling down, or why so many people are neither voting for quagmire nor even commenting on him; most likely explination is that nearly half the people in the game are in a cult with quagmire here.

On an unrelated note,

I will be V/LA for 3 or 4 days for thanksgiving weekend.

Before you go, can we have your vote on Quagmire please?

Thanks.

[ReaperCharlie]

Bah!

Vote.

You know you want to.

[ReaperCharlie]

"PLEASE HOLD."

[ReaperCharlie]

TOWN.
IS.
GOING.
TO.
WIN.

At least one man has his head on straight.

Let's get this over with..

Where's the flip, Flay.

[ReaperCharlie]

Saturday I will be at a football game. Sorry =\

But...

Happy Thanksgiving!!

[ReaperCharlie]

Hehe, read the thread (you know which one)!

And stop talking about another game!! ...

[ReaperCharlie]

Not really another game, huh!!

*pouts*

[ReaperCharlie]

But seriously though. Shhhhh...

Go to slssp or somethin'

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, so... this is awkward.

I just re-read my role PM again, and it turns out that I AM a recruiter.
All this time I thought it said that I was trying to KILL the recruiters.

Lame.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah SS, vote Quag real quick just in case there's some kind of increased lynch threshold shenanigans for recruiters. Thanks.

[ReaperCharlie]

Haven't gotten my investigation result yet.

But I finished answering all my chess games and I'm going to bed.

See you all in the morning.

[ReaperCharlie]

k, I got my investigation result this morning when I logged on. checking the timestamps revealed that Flay sent it 11 minutes after he opened the topic, or, 6 minutes after I posted (and 10 minutes before Andrius posted). seeing what xvart says about scum not having daytalk, that makes sense. because if Flay doesn't want scum to have the results of the night before (if they have investigative roles, which I strongly suspect is the case), then the only way to do that would be to lock the quicktopic, unlock the game topic, post the results, and then send all the investigations (super-tinfoil, but I think I'm right).

second order of business: darox (almost 100% sure) got recruited last night, so you can't take anything he says at face value any more. xvart said it's kill or recruit, and obviously his faction can't recruit now with their recruiter dead, so they tried to kill yos, which failed. both Chrono and Porochaz blocked him. lawlz. one or both of them are scum, imo, but it's possible that at least one of them is town.

my two guesses for recruiter were flameaxe and xvart, and andrius was supposed to investigate flameaxe, so I was gonna investigate xvart. however, I was more sure about flameaxe, so I investigated him. It's just as well, because andrius investigated xvart and not flameaxe. so, lawlz again, and FOS at Andrius for not investigating who he was supposed to.

now to the juicy stuff: WIFOM.

1. player-WIFOM: why

didn't

andrius investigate flameaxe? why did he investigate xvart instead?

2. mod-WIFOM: i investigated flameaxe to be TOWN, and was very surprised, mostly because it does NOT match andrius' investigation on quag. I also did not get any 'bodyguard' flavor. I also did not get any 'prostitute' flavor. but given what we know about all of the other players, (and assuming we trust andrius' investigation on xvart), flameaxe is pretty much the only one left. but... the investigation doesn't match with andrius' from yesterday, so... i am forced to assume that flameaxe is either NOT a recruiter, OR, that recruiters only appear guilty when they are doing something eeeevil, like recruiting or killing (something I have heard of before, but have not seen in practice in an actual game). so... would Flay put that into the game? after reading parts of the Lost Boys mafia game, I'm inclined to believe that Flay might very well have put that into the game. On the other hand, we could

very well

be JUST about to lose.

@ xvart:

how many people are in your cult? ...is yos2 in your(quag's) cult, or the other one? ...if he's NOT in yours, is he telling the truth about the size of yours (i.e. huge by now)? given what you know about the cults, how large do you speculate the opposite cult to be?

[ReaperCharlie]

tl;dr: Andrius trusts nobody. Andrius suspects everybody.

[ReaperCharlie]

Actually, you're right.
Because I'm willing to bet there's only like 3 non-recruited townies left, including me.
And that makes me a sad panda.

So you think it's 3-3-5 right now? That'd make sense with what xvart said about the other cult having 2 more than his. So who do you think is in which cult and etc, based on my results and yours? And I, too, am interested to know whether M=W was a cross-kill or whether he was a loose cannon's shot (claimed or not).

Also, it's interesting that xvart now says

this

:

Also, I went back and checked; the recruiters will not be found guilty by any investigation methods unless the recruiter commits a kill. I missed this the first time around because it was mixed in with the name claims when I was spouting off the Recruiter abilities.

This strikes me as a bit opportunistic (wow, somebody actually using the word in the correct context!). Of

course

he'd say that, EVEN if it wasn't true, if he thought Flameaxe is actually the last recruiter.

[ReaperCharlie]

I would also like to say that for the most part, I am taking everything xvart says at face value, because it doesn't behoove him (at ALL) to lead the town to lynch one of their own. Therefore he is obviously firmly in the "let's lynch the final recruiter" camp, as am I. The only thing I have qualms about is whether or not Flameaxe IS actually the last recruiter, or whether xvart only THINKS he is, and is therefore tailoring his comments (the most spurious of which I've quoted above) specifically to make the town lynch who HE believes is the recruiter. Aside from my result on Flameaxe, I would be 100% in the "lynch Flameaxe" camp.

@xvart: What insight can you shed on the situation about why there was bodyguard flavor for Quag and not for Flameaxe? Had you been specifically bodyguarding Quag to make sure he wasn't NK'd by some unclaimed loose cannon or the other cult?

[ReaperCharlie]

@Ninja: Yes, Chronopie is right. I hadn't thought of that.

[ReaperCharlie]

And I am still WIFOMing about whether Robocopter is telling the truth either, or whether "cult doc" is simply a fakeclaim. It's really burning me up now that he's been claiming to have been "protecting" Andrius this whole time, and Andrius has now fed us a cult recruiter, so to speak.

Robocopter could still easily be the other recruiter as well, and could have recruited Andrius at any point in the game at his leisure (since the other cult probably made sure to stay away from him due to him being protected against recruiting). Andrius not wanting to trust me feels less like genuine mistrust, and feels more like an elaborate ruse that he's been pulling over my ears this entire time so that after the game he can make me feel like an idiot when his cult wins.

I mean; is it just me? I have been accepting Robo's "cult doc" claim as a "too ridiculous to be a fakeclaim" kind of thing... but if it actually IS a fakeclaim (I don't recall, was it solicited? Or was it out of the blue? That could also point to Robo being a recruiter and not what he says he is) then we are all idiots and we deserve to be laughed at.


On second thought, and after seeing Yos' ninja just now, I bet that both cults have at least 4, and are trying to make the other cult feel like they're both smaller than they actually are. My guesses are 5-5-1 or 5-4-2, or maybe even 4-4-3...

if we're lucky.

[ReaperCharlie]

*remembers specifically that last time Andrius said he was gonna re-read the thread*

*remembers specifically that Andrius was scummy scum and was then lynched*

*remembers... well, you get the picture*

[ReaperCharlie]

You really really think Vezo was crazy enough to pull of a gambit where he claims in his first post as scum? You really think he did that as scum? I must say that if you do believe that you are a true visionary.

I'll tell you what I think. I think vezo is a bleeding VI, and might have thought that what he did was the smart thing to do.

Your response doesn't give me much faith in my suspicion being wrong, either.

[ReaperCharlie]

Not scum WITH me. Just scum. It was in POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA, remember?

Andrius:

"OOO YEA GUYZ I R GONNA RE-READ"

Andrius:

"OOO LOOK GUYZ I ISO'D RC AND HE IZ SOOOO SCUM"

RC:

"No I'm not. Andrius is."

Town: Vote: Andrius

Andrius:

"NOOO GUYZ DOOOON'T LYNCH ME PLZZZZ"

Andrius:

*foot twitches as his neck is broken by the fall*

RC:

"Kek. Newb."

...remember?

[ReaperCharlie]

"Darox is pointing fingers at us, what will I dooooooo?
I know, I'll investigate him as town, that'll make him back off
Oh no, he's still pointing fingers!
We better call him a cultist to discredit him!"

How adorable.

Where did I call you a cultist? Plz and thx.

[ReaperCharlie]

Andrius and RC are so obv recruited, as is chrono.

Why do you think so (about me, that is)?

I would think that in an atmosphere where increasingly more people are being recruited, that a person who has been investigated to be town would be a prime pick for being recruited the next night, if not by one cult, then by the other. You were investigated to be town a few nights ago, and you're acting like you're STILL town.

If anything, *I* should be the one laughing at YOU for pretending to be town.





And I am.

[ReaperCharlie]

lmao. I meant recruiter. Of course you are a cultist.

[ReaperCharlie]

RC your play is abysmal. I've been saying for days you lot are recruited, your response has always been NO U R. Why would they recruit a VT rather than an investigative role who has his head rammed so far up he can't tell which way he's facing. I want dayvig powers now. If I was scum I would have KILLED YOU just to be rid of you. Not everyone can be a cultist. This crap that you are the claimed cops and somehow not recruited is preposterous, and I don't know why anyone buys your drivel. Obviously you can't win without the town, and you think the way to get that is to tell them they're all scum? Townies won't vote with you for that, and scum certainly won't whatever your alignment. Just stop. I dislike you personally RC.

cool story bro.

let's sit down over a cup of tea sometime and you can tell me again.

[ReaperCharlie]

-Faraday N0 ('bodyguard' result - w/o threatening flavor)
-ooba N1 (no result)
-Lord Gurgi N2 (result: town)
-Chronopie N3 (result: town)
-Darox N4 (result: town)
-Flameaxe N5 (result: town)

[ReaperCharlie]

So the town knows that the two RBers are not on the same team. We also know that two people have committed night actions that would be beneficial as Cult: Prozac RBing the claimed RBer whatever night that was. And Andy investigating a proven RBer looking for a recruiter.

I'll post more later about the bodyguard issue and respond to the other comments, but I wanted to throw this out there while a few people were on.

xvart.

*waits with bated breath*

[ReaperCharlie]

@ xvart: did someone from your faction kill ooba?

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, and Congrats, AV!

?

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice! Tell him RC speaks from the grave and says "Congraaatulaaaatiooooons!!!" in a ghostly soulless voice.

[ReaperCharlie]

To me it looks like you were the only one doing that. But... ongoing, so etc.

[ReaperCharlie]

I think what we really need to do, is post the same information on every new page, and ask the same questions over and over again until maybe someone answers it...again.

I'm legitimately not recruited (so I'd really like a town win on this one, guys). Isn't that cool?

/fluff

Ooohhhh...(sings) fluff fluff fluff fluff, fluff fluff fluff...fluffy fluff, fluffidy fluff...fluffy fluff, fluffidy fluff...fluff fluff fluff fluff, fluff fluff fluff fluff

One of these posts is not like the other.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok soooooo...

Since it feels like I have to get things started:

Vote: Flameaxe

I feel like xvart genuinely believes he is the other recruiter.

But I can also switch to Darox, Gurgi, or Robocopter.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm, interesting new stuff. I was afraid I was gonna come back to 1 or 2 new replies, but you guys haven't disappointed me.... my favorite part is this, though:

Robo votes for ME -> who has been cleared by ANDRIUS since N0 -> who has been allegedly "protected" from being recruited by ROBO since N1.

Soooo either Robo doesn't believe HIMSELF... OR... Robo is a recruiter who is sick of me digging up dirt on him and stirring the pot about his un-confirmedness. Guess which.

Unvote; Vote: Robocopter87

Aaaannndddd, ninja'd twice, once by Robo. BUT THIS POST STILL APPLIES!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

Aye, that we would, wouldn't we laddie? EXCEPT THAT...
If we don't lynch recruiter TODAY then we've all but lost.

So just TRUST ME and I will just TRUST YOU TOO. DEAL?

[ReaperCharlie]

Fair enough. And why do you think I'm purple? WTF! That's sooooo stupid.

I think Chrono is in Yos2's faction and I'm not sure whether I think Poro is scum at all.

Why didn't you investigate Flameaxe last night?

[ReaperCharlie]

NO, I THINK WE'VE LOST BECAUSE ITS DAY SIX. SIMPLE MATH.

N0 = 2 possible recruits
N1 = 2 possible recruits
N2 = 2 possible recruits
N3 = 2 possible recruits
N4 = 2 possible recruits
N5 = 1 possible recruit

Minus whatever nights xvart and Yos said they weren't able to recruit. But still, that's a HECK OF A LOT of possible recruits. I don't know about you, but with the number of people that have died so far, NINE, and the number of people that remain, ELEVEN, I think that AT LEAST eight if not nine (or ten, shudder) of the remaining players is in a cult.

[ReaperCharlie]

Evidence coming later on. But your atypical "that's sooooo stupid" is noted. lol

RC. WHAT ABOUT SS??

Because I didn't get the memo. And I had a much better read on xvart I needed to settle.

No idea about SS.

And yes, 'that's soooo stupid' IS atypical. I noticed that. But it was the only thing that came to mind, and I didn't care, so I posted it anyways.

I mean, I can't exactly prove to you that I'm NOT scum, so why bother trying. And I already asked you to trust me, and you won't, so that's shot too.

I mean, I would TOTALLY give you a "Pooky promise" and all, that I'm super super super town, but a) I'm not pooky, b) I have no meta of doing that so it'd be worthless, and c) this is a cult game, so it's doubly worthless.

[ReaperCharlie]

I must say, I probably should pay attention to the game. I apparently don't know about half the things going on.

PEDITX3: STOP NINJAING ME

Or in other words:

"OMG! I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!! I'M MAKING STUPID POSTS THAT MAKE NO SENSE!!! AND NOW OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOTICING AND POSTING AND I CAN'T EVEN POST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT MEEEE!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! SRSLY U GUYZ!!! FEEL SORRY FOR MEEEE!!!"

Confirm Vote: Robocopter.

We should have lynched him on Day 2. vezok was quite bad enough but Robo is becoming even worse.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, that's obviously not CORRECT, but that IS actually a good idea, declaring the scum teams like that. Make that official and pretty with colors and such, and then we'll get to refining it to what's possible and what's not. And we'll make sure we add who's in who's camp because of what and all that.

More later, but that's actually a good idea and you should run with it. But while you're at it, wanna throw a vote down on Robocopter? Pretty please?

[ReaperCharlie]

I agree with Chronopie about pretty much everything except lynching Gurgi first.

[ReaperCharlie]

But now that I say that...

Not yet.
I do suspect him, but I'm not voting yet, as I'm town and not willing to let the only reliable weapon the town has left be decided by quick-hammering cultists.

Fine.

Purple Cult: Quagmire

, xvart, ReaperCharlie, singersigner, ???

Orange Cult: ???

, Yosarian2, Chrono/Poro, ???, ???

Potential Orange Recruiters:

Flameaxe, Darox, Robocopter87

Read D4, from the ooba at L-1 to the end of the day. Tell me that xvart and RC cannot be buddies. SS is #3 IMO.
Sadly though, we need to hit ORANGE.

It IS rather interesting that Andrius excluded Gurgi from his "possible recruiters" list...

Coincidence? Of coooouuurrrrssseeee it is.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, why are you calling it the orange cult? Because didn't Me=Weird flip RED?

You are trying to confuse me, aren't you?

Quick, what's your favorite flavor of Kool-Aid? You have.. 4 seconds to answer.

[ReaperCharlie]

You want to re-read AGAIN? After you already just re-read last night?

*is confused*

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh shhh.
What is your character's name, if I may ask?

I'm currently working on my tinfoil theories ATM.


predit: Great, Strongman Recruiters.
No, that probably means someone else killed him.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

Ok, thanks Chrono.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

It haunts me because I reread the game last night.

It haunts me because

I reread the game last night.

[ReaperCharlie]

Holy sudden thread activity, Batman!

[ReaperCharlie]

You don't have authority to say that, RC.

.... do I ...need any? *looks around*

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2499113
This made me laugh so hard.

[ReaperCharlie]

For people criticising my activity levels...

I gave you a day of solid play after being investigated by two different claimed cops. That is not cruising since my investigation, that's the absolute opposite.

So.. one day of solid play out of SIX days we've been here, should clear you of the lurking accusation? Please.

When you continued to follow the cop for days after it was obvious they haven't the sense to think, I more or less gave up. The intelligent are a minority in this game, and there's nothing we can do.

Defeatist attitude... huh? What's so hopeless? If it's so obvious that there's nothing you can do, then either put a rope around your neck, help us put a rope around someone else's, or shut up.

Not to mention some of the intelligent are starting to suspect me for poorly outlined reasons mostly lurking in a game that I've been fairly up front about my loss of faith in. I have no interest in this game anymore because I don't think there's any chance of winning.

So, because the reasons are

poorly outlined

, that makes them not worth considering? *laugh*

And yeah, you've been up front... about being

mostly useless

this game. Why don't you make yourself useful and lay down a vote?

..

Ohhhh yeah I forgot, it's cause you're still not sure of who the CR's are.. and why? Look at this: because everyone

else

is playing so badly.

I'm not sure which of the cult are CR's because of how badly the first few days were played, so I'll lynch any of them that I can get.

Six days, and you haven't a clue. Not only that, you don't even appear to have an opinion.


You'll lynch anyone you can get? Yeah, ok.

[ReaperCharlie]

/biting sarcasm

[ReaperCharlie]

I read page 120, saw it was quite retarded and went and built a snowman instead.

And you're no better than Gurgi. Go take a long walk off a short dock, unless you're gonna lay a vote down on someone.

[ReaperCharlie]

And to those of you who are so "intelligent", i.e. Gurgi, Porochaz, Darox, & Co.: Please actually do the work of playing the game. Making a case. Setting an example. Being the change you want to see. It's not really that hard.

How the heck are players supposed to learn to play the game right, if guys like you only ever bemoan how stupid everyone else is, act like elitists who have nothing better to do than join games and complain about how others are ruining your experience, and don't actually PLAY TO WIN, then what is the point?

Seriously, WHAT IS THE POINT.

[ReaperCharlie]

You all sheeped after the cops. You've a majority and won't listen to sense. I'll not participate when I've nothing to contribute. I was responding to specific accusations that I coasted after being investigated, so stop trying to cloud the water. I'm not suggesting I should be cleared for a single days activity, I am specifically refuting a claim like I am now. I didn't blame everyone OTHER than me for the early days, did I? I said they were poorly played, which by any metric is true. Your arguments against me are simply incorrect. If you want to argue that I'm not contributing as much as I could, that's true. If you want to argue that I have a burden to raise the standard of play, that's false. I've tried in the past to make arguments and write cases but you all have made clear that all you care about are claimed investigations. In a cult game, you don't listen to power roles, because they're usually recruited by sun up.

Your post is made from the presumption that I am town, which you shouldn't know, but you do. You keep trying to goad me into putting a vote down and I won't. I dropped a vote yesterday and pulled flak for it, just like I would for the same today. This game is lost because the town is either a minority or is being lead by the scum around the maypole. You and the rest of the game have made clear that all you want from me is a vote on your favoured wagon and to shut up. So no, don't tell me to shut up the moment I start talking while telling me to participate more. Go jump in a lake.

CHAINSAW HARDER WHEN I ATTACK CHRONO'S CASE. THE MORE OBVIOUS THE BETTER.

There are a lot of people who see the game as hopeless because idiots are following the idiot cops, have you considered YOU MAY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE'S VIEW OF YOUR PLAY.

What sense aren't we listening to?

Of course they're/we're sheeping the cops. It got us a recruiter yesterday, if you didn't notice.

If you don't have anything to contribute... then why don't you read the thread until you DO have something to contribute? I'm sick of townies in particular who like to lay the blame on everyone else for a shared loss which was earned by mutual shortcomings. I think I've done my part in getting information out, coming to multiple conclusions, and narrowing down to solutions. If you wanna pin ooba on me, fine. It's not like I made us waste a lynch on that.

And you are right, you

didn't

specifically say that everyone OTHER than you was responsible for the first few days. So I grant you that. And thank you for admitting that you are partially to blame.

My post isn't made from the presumption that you're town; my post is made from the presumption that you're being a fucking wet blanket and raining all over everyone else's parade while at the same time being a useless elitist asshole. Yes, I'm goading you to put a vote down. That may not be the only power you have, but it sure as hell counts for something, doesn't it? And yes, maybe we are being led around the maypole by scum, but when people just complain and moan about how everyone else is stupid, then nothing gets done, does it? Does it.

So either suck it up and contribute (feel free to 'spam' the thread, like Andrius and I, who actually care about winning), or shut up, hang up your gloves, and call it a day. At least throw a vote down on someone you feel marginally likely to be a recruiter. At this point I feel the only reason you aren't voting anyone is because you don't want to unintentionally clear them as not being in your scumgroup, if in fact it is found out that you are scum.

And I will not go jump in a lake.

And how is it a chainsaw for me to blast you for being useless after you attacked Chrono's case? I'm not even voting for you, I'm voting for Robocopter.

[ReaperCharlie]

spamming the thread with absolutely useless rubbish and the majority of people speaking are working on assumptions which when you look back are plucked essentially from nowhere/unreliable sources.

So your answer to this is to do.... what? Sit back and do nothing? Wait until the deadline to begin discussing things? Forget about everything we THINK we know, and start from scratch?

I'm dying to know what you want to do, if you don't want to do what we've BEEN doing the last ten pages.

Really. Please tell me.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hey RC, what do you think of ani's play D1? And how about Flameaxe after that?
I'll resume the read at D3 once I eat lunch.

Just ISO'd them both, cause I didn't remember at all.


Ok, so... ani looks town to me. I definitely cannot see ani-recruiter. For some strange reason. If you ISO him yourself, you'll wonder the same thing I did: If I was a recruiter, would I play like this? And the answer is, ABSOLUTELY NOT. He's playing like furcolow, but with a little more ani thrown in. As in: "fluff, fluff, fluffety fluff, comment, fluff, commentz commentz fluff, 'hey guyz i'm pretty useless lol!', fluff, fluff, opinion, fluff, comment, opinion, fluuuuuffff." Definitely not how a recruiter would act. Even ani-recruiter.

As for Flameaxe... he's been doing an all-around good job so far, maintaining a good quota of activity, being helpful, and has that particular 'overall good townie vibe' emanating from his every orifice. in light of that, he'd be the first person I'd suspect to be a recruiter/godfather, simply because of WIFOM, and because I scumhunt in a backwards way, especially when it comes to players that obviously know what they're doing. But I AGREE with a lot of what flameaxe says. Like, a crazy amount. His points about Erg0. His points about Robo. His points about Yos2. His points about pretty much everyone and everything else. He doesn't seem to have a hidden agenda. But again, like I said, that's what makes him suspicious to me. Not to mention, it looks like xvart thinks he's the opposite recruiter too, AND we've narrowed down things very far so far, and he was one of the only ones left. BUUUT....

...but then I investigated him and got a townie result: specifically, that he's still 'fending for himself'. Which is the exact same result that I got on Chronopie and Lord Gurgi and Darox. None of them has flipped yet, but I'm pretty sure that there aren't FOUR recruiters. But Chronopie is confirmed not to be a recruiter, so that narrows it down a bit.


So overall: I still suspect ani/flameaxe, but not nearly as much as I did before. Especially after re-reading ani.

[ReaperCharlie]

PLAN:

We lynch one of Robo/Flameaxe.
Whichever one is left isn't touched tonight.
xvart kills Yosarian2.
Chronopie blocks Yosarian2.
Porochaz blocks singersigner.
Orange will kill purple. They won't recruit this late in the game.
I'll investigate someone. Haven't decided who yet.
By blocking singersigner and RC we are forcing the cult to kill with members other than known members.

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

Yeah, I think so too... WAIT. Hold on a second.

PLAN:

We lynch one of Robo/Flameaxe.
Whichever one is left isn't touched tonight.
xvart kills Yosarian2.
Chronopie

blocks Yosarian2.

Porochaz

blocks singersigner.

Orange will kill purple. They won't recruit this late in the game.
I'll investigate someone. Haven't decided who yet.
By

blocking singersigner and RC

we are forcing the cult to kill with members other than known members.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

...but...

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

Well. Sounds like a plan. I guess.

LOL! He didn't even read it!


But he agrees with it.


k.

[ReaperCharlie]

Gurgi is fine. RC can investigate him for all I care.

You willing to follow the plan?

Look at you, trying to

tell me who to investigate

, and then telling Chrono to

follow the plan

...

...right after you didn't

follow the plan

of someone

telling you who to investigate

last night.



I swear; this thread + vodka = good for lulz!

[ReaperCharlie]

You don't sound so excited.

Well you see, part of your plan is killing me(or flameaxe). So im not exactly all peaches and gravy about it. But I guess if the town wins then its alright.

I guess now is as good of a time as ever to ask that question I've asked a few times this game:

Who do you see as recruiter and why?

@Andy: I have no qualms with the plan, really. Without rereading the last few pages to go on a wild goose chase through all these posts, is there any reason why the lynch candidates are only Robo and myself, not Gurgi (who I have no intention of lynching myself, but still, it validates a point) or Darox? I guess I missed a post where they got eliminated from discussion despite being possible candidates.

@Prozac: Anyone in particular you would like to see strung up today? If you posted this, point me to it, as always. Ps: Town read still active on prozac. Wooo. Seriously, I'd be shocked if you can't tell this by now. (Maybe it's just because I know you so well...Meh. Doubt it.) 3108 is a great post, imo.

@Chrono: I forget, why the current Gurgi hate?

I'd still like more singersigner input.

OH YEA ONE MORE THING.

AFTER MY ISO OF FLAMEAXE THIS IS WHY I THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN AND WHY I STILL THINK ROBO IS SCUM.

HE MUST ASK THREE OR FOUR TIMES OF ROBO WHO HE THINKS A/THE RECRUITER IS, AND ROBO NEVER ANSWERS ONCE.

HE NEVER ANSWERS ONCE.

KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THIS:

Holster

for now.

I'm not sure that I entirely trust Yos's version of events, since he has an obvious incentive to make his team appear as weak as possible. I guess the viability of his lynch depends largely on whether he's really on the same team as Me=Weird, and on whether we can get a really good lead on a recruiter today.

There's a fair bit of setup-related information to parse, I need to do some "what ifs".

Who do YOU think is a recruiter?

I second this question.

WHICH ERG0 ALSO WOULDN'T ANSWER. RINGING ANY BELLS YET?

MAN I SWEAR YOU PEOPLE ARE SO THICK.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, if you are town then you have been protecting me.
If you are a recruit you have been protecting me.

YOU REALLY THINK A RECRUITED CULT DOCTOR IS GOING TO PROTECT A COP HIS FACTION WANTS TO RECRUIT?

I SWEAR ANDRIUS.

DON'T MAKE ME WHIP OUT MY ROFLCOCKTER AND PISTOL WHIP YOU WITH IT.

[ReaperCharlie]

Robo, as my vote indicates.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well. Then why don't you just frikkin lynch me then eh?

moar AtE noted.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm done. Read 116 pages. I'm back at the start of D6.

Working on some sort of compiled post now.

*waits yet again, with breath more bated than before*

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm done. Read 116 pages. I'm back at the start of D6.

Working on some sort of compiled post now.

Congrats on doing more reading than I ever could....

QFT.

Back in 3 hours or so.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm done. Read 116 pages. I'm back at the start of D6.

Working on some sort of compiled post now.

Congrats on doing more reading than I ever could....

Thanks.

I'm holding off the post for awhile; hoping for some more player's robo/flameaxe preference.

What's YOUR preference?

[ReaperCharlie]

What do you mean, Yos? His cult is at 4-5 people, and we still need to hit you guys' recruiter.
So we're also forcing you to shoot him tonight, see?
Town wins by pitting you two against each other.
And that's what I'm doing.
We're lynching your recruiter today, so that you are forced to kill tonight.

Answer my question.

[ReaperCharlie]

Do you honestly think that you refusing to answer my question is going to make you look any more townie, or make me look any more scummy?

And do you honestly think refusing to answer my question is going to help you save your recruiter? Huh? Well? Answer me that, Mr. Bakerman.

[ReaperCharlie]

What different tone was that? And if I was recruited, wouldn't I make sure to NOT act any differently once I was recruited? Wouldn't that be my capital goal, in fact? And yes I suppose I AM what you might call... the

WIFOMaster®

... heh

But that is beside the point. The point is, GENTLEMEN, that Robo is a recruiter. And you know what we do with those...

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm sick of the whole "nooooo, I'm waiting on people, I can't post my useful stuffz yet d00d!"

Sounds just like Lord Gurgi's cop-out of "hey I can't contribute, everyone else sucks too much!"

:rollseyes:

[ReaperCharlie]

I disagree with clearing Gurgi and Darox as town.

And even if they WERE at one point town, you still can't deny that Darox was 100% prime beef for recruiting last night, and that Gurgi was the same, but on the night after HE was investigated to be town.

Why would the cults try to recruit someone who might already be recruited? THEY WOULDN'T. They'd shoot for a known townie.

And if this cult recruiting mechanism works so that they're brought into the cult immediately, then both cults would probably try to recruit them ASAP at the beginning of the night. But then, WIFOM about whether or not the other cult is trying to do the same.. still, I think there's a heavy, heavy chance that one or both of Gurgi/Darox is recruited.

P.S. Hurry up, Andrius. I am sick of waiting, and stuff.

[ReaperCharlie]

My eyes want to fall out cause I'm so tired.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, Flay: How did you make it so the 'user' area of the post (i.e. not the 'post') part, is a fixed width and not a percentage of the page? Every time I tried that, it totally screwed up the 'online' banner. Or is that why you disabled the 'online' banners. lol

<--- this part.

[ReaperCharlie]

*goes into hibernation until Andy makes his choice*

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, do you think Andrius is town?

I think it depends heavily on your flip. I don't think he's purple scum though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Lol Robo. That is my answer. Stop trying to strong-arm me into giving a yes or no, lol.

Here is a (perhaps) better explanation:

I am very sure you're scum, but whether you are or not, what I think his alignment is depends heavily on your alignment. If you were to flip recruiter, I'm 100% sure he's recruited. If you were to flip recruiteD, I'm 100% sure he's also recruited.

Savvy?

[ReaperCharlie]

Fine, if I will SAY that I am purple scum, THEN will you lynch Robo? lol

...not that I AM purple scum, but you know... anything to get you to stop dancing atop the robo/flameaxe fence.

Sooooo ... when are you gonna answer MY question, Andy?

[ReaperCharlie]

So can we lynch Robo now? What the @#$^ are you waiting on, Andy.

[ReaperCharlie]

I want to lynch RC or Robo mostly. They're either recruited or fakeclaiming, so I feel like headway will be made either way.

When did we stop looking for a RECRUITER, Gurgi?

[ReaperCharlie]

*begins to listen to Chrono*

[ReaperCharlie]

*begins to listen to Chrono*

Clap. Clap. Clap.

131 Pages into the game. RC finally listens to someone.

I am also listening to my gut though. Sorry.

And my gut is much louder than Chrono, who (did I mention) is an obv-recruit.

[ReaperCharlie]

You're retarded.

What single solitary reason is there to vote for Gurgi over Robo?

[ReaperCharlie]

Thank you.

More Robo votes please.

[ReaperCharlie]

One other reason the cult-doc claim is BS: There is no valid flavor for cult-doc.

Seriously. try to think of something. It makes no sense at all.

Roleblockers are prostitutes. Makes perfect sense.
Bodyguards do more than protect from killing, they protect from investigation too. Makes perfect sense.
Recruiters appear as innocent unless they are making kills. Makes perfect sense.
"Loose cannon" in and of itself is excellent flavor. And again... it makes perfect sense.

Whereas "cult doctor" makes absolutely no sense at all.

Robo 4 pres. Plz vote nao.

[ReaperCharlie]

Darox, link please. My eyes are shot and I'm still reading. :S

Chrono, yeah but had we gone another day I was screwed. lol

PLAN:

We lynch one of Robo/Flameaxe.
Whichever one is left isn't touched tonight.
xvart kills Yosarian2.

Chronopie blocks Yosarian2.
Porochaz blocks singersigner.

Orange will kill purple. They won't recruit this late in the game.
I'll investigate someone. Haven't decided who yet.
By blocking singersigner and RC we are forcing the cult to kill with members other than known members.

Why is Yos being blocked and killed? Simple. Killed to keep the ratio in balance. Blocked so that he can't kill, thus forcing other members of his cult to kill. Which is good, and might force the recruiter's hand so HE can kill, and I can investigate him.

This plan? ^

[ReaperCharlie]

So do we have a RB direction plan?

Prozac RBs Yos2
Chrono RBs Flameaxe

Cops investigate whomever they want?

Any deviation should give some good ideas of alignment and auto lynch. Sound fair to everyone?

xvart.

Or this one? ^

[ReaperCharlie]

So do we have a RB direction plan?

Prozac RBs Yos2
Chrono RBs Flameaxe

Cops investigate whomever they want?

Any deviation should give some good ideas of alignment and auto lynch. Sound fair to everyone?

xvart.

Or this one? ^

So this one.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, if Robo flips recruiter than Flameaxe is

definitely

a townie

.

SCUM SLIP?!?!?

IS XVART REALLY NOT PURPLE SCUM AT ALL BUT ORANGE SCUM?!!!

OMFG

[ReaperCharlie]

Charlie...

What flavor does a vanilla role have? As in, what is a vanilla townie called?

I'll be waiting here when you realize the answer.

....


..............


..................................



DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[ReaperCharlie]

*fizzles and sparks*

*motherboard dies*

[ReaperCharlie]

THREE ROBO VOTES IS NOT ENOUGH. MOAR ROBO VOTES NAO PLOX




Also, hmmm... Quagmire's still holstered... that's good to know, lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice new God of War avatar, Chronopie.

Good luck pulling up your GPA, Andrius.

Epic skullamanjaro last night, Flameaxe.

[ReaperCharlie]

[ReaperCharlie]

no WIFOM intended.

[ReaperCharlie]

So do we have a RB direction plan?

Prozac RBs Yos2
Chrono RBs Flameaxe

Cops investigate whomever they want?

Any deviation should give some good ideas of alignment and auto lynch. Sound fair to everyone?

xvart.

Or this one? ^

I apologise but I hope the plan changes from this, as its a fucking retarded plan.

*sigh*

And what do you propose, Mr. Useful?

[ReaperCharlie]

I agree with you Poro, about the RB's doing whatever they think is best and not taking advice from people. Normally I would say "No, you do what the town says", but... there's no way of knowing who is actually town and who's not, or even if the blockers are town, so.... it's just one big fallacy either way. The only reason I agree with the plan is because I know that if I was a RB, I would be blocking one of those two people. So it makes sense.

And neither of Andrius or myself investigated who we were supposed to investigate last night either (lol, we both did each other's assignment), so I don't see why he's so game to want to control the RB's tonight when he didn't even listen last night to what he was supposed to do. And of course I didn't listen because I was too lazy to pay attention PLUS I'm just a loose cannon cop (OMFG ROLE CRUMB!!! lol).

Anyways, one last thing (maybe all for tonight, maybe I'll get on later, idk. It's really slow).

And that thing is: Why is everyone TALKING about lynching Robo but nobody wants to DO it? Can you say... RECRUITS THAT DON'T WANT TO LYNCH THEIR RECRUITER AND ARE JUST WAITING FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO POP UP (or for the deadline to expire, lol... but that's weeks away).

If you've said "I will vote Robo if... x" and x has happened, then VOTE ROBO. Ugh.

[ReaperCharlie]

ITT, we learn Poro is recruited. Xvart is claimed Purple scum (Bodyguard), We need Red Scum Recruiter.

Right... and where did we find out he was Bodyguard apart from he, himself?[/quote]
What else would he be? Just wondering.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oops. Fail. EBWOP:

---

ITT, we learn Poro is recruited. Xvart is claimed Purple scum (Bodyguard), We need Red Scum Recruiter.

Right... and where did we find out he was Bodyguard apart from he, himself?

What else would he be? Just wondering.

[ReaperCharlie]

Aim: Robo

. Don't see any reason to delay this day any longer, really.

It's

worth

the delay as long as we get the recruiter, duh.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hah. You idiots still believe that Robo isn't going to flip recruiter.

And by 'idiots' I mean 'good friends with similar mafia-playing tastes'.

[ReaperCharlie]

Honestly, who DOESNT think he'll flip recruiter? Those guys are ... a bit dense.

I already explained why he couldn't possibly be the cult doc.

[ReaperCharlie]

Just as planned.

"Good work, boys. Now we own this town."

(that's me on the left, Flameaxe in the middle, and Yosarian2 on the right)

[ReaperCharlie]

Question, and this is probably discussed in the QTs, but for lack of wanting to fish through it, did me using my shot as a double-vote matter to you guys? Was there a reason I wasn't recruited after my claim?

Mostly because you would have been useless to us; not only because you'd already wasted your power, but we had already pushed the angle that you were an "obv-recruit", so nobody would have listened to you anyway. You would have been just another statistic. But mostly because we wanted to get the roleblockers. And we kept shooting for people we knew were townies, and you just weren't one of those people. After I was recruited, we mainly just recruited everyone who I investigated. Chrono, Darox, Porochaz, all in that order, just like I investigated them. But yes, that was really poor play, wasting your vig in order to use a double-vote, once. >.< That's just not playing to win.

[ReaperCharlie]

I honestly got so frustrated with RC that I complained about him more than once, (I think, I definitely complained once) and sucked the life out of the game for me. I stopped wanting to be involved. It was his aim however and he did apologise to me in the QT.

I'm sorry. It wasn't exactly fun for me to do that.

I tried to make up for it at the end, by doing what counts, and putting a W in the column for you instead of an L.

But I hope there's no hard feelings, either way.

[ReaperCharlie]

You would've thought it better to kill someone I wasn't confident was scum, or wait to get recruited? And I'm asking you to answer from an unbiased, non-recruit play.

Yes. You should have killed someone, and claimed it the following day. The very possibility of "possibly killing a recruiter" would have more than been worth a single townie's death. Heck, it would have been worth more than a cop's death, because the cops were corrupt anyways ... well, at least, one of them was. >:D

Either way though, a little part of me that was losing interest in the game got sparked back into life when I got recruited. Whenever there is a cult game, I hope to be recruited. There's something about being part of something that can grow in size and power, but at the same time is constantly in fear of having its head chopped off, that makes me very satisfied deep down. It's the risk, and excitement, etc., which makes it so... so... idk, pick your own word for how you want to describe it. Anyway, that's why I was so happy to have been in a game where the mod didn't screw over the cults by doing something stupid like has happened to me in past cult games, such as: Making it so that when the cult leader died, all the recruits died too (seriously, wtf. This isn't

real life

or anything -- where everyone drinks the kool-aid), or even worse imo, having a reflexive watcher, who learns whoever targeted him. Especially when in that game you had to first 'unlock' a player before you could hope to recruit him. That night, the reflexive watcher learned that he had been 'unlocked', learned that I was the only person who targeted him that night. He understandably came to the conclusion that I was therefore the cult leader. I about strangled the mod for adding such a stupid role, and punishing good scum play so harshly. I still refuse to play any of that mod's games.

As for Friend, I thought he was a townie for about 90% of the time. He seemed so genuine, in a way that is really hard to fake.

[ReaperCharlie]

As for Furcolow, I will continue to disagree with you all. His insights are spot on about 80% of the time, and that's a darn sight better than most of us. At my best, I'm barely above 60%, and usually not even close to that. In other words, I pretty much consider Furcolow as somewhat of a genius, with pretty poor social skills. I think his play in this game was exactly as he's played in other games, and really don't understand why everyone wants to lynch him, other than his abrasive posting style. These are the reasons I have let Furc play my games in the past, and will continue to let him play my games in the future.

1. He provides content, and a whole lot of it. and he speaks his mind very candidly.
2. His content, along with most of his resulting assertions: very often correct.
3. He is a wild card: he often thinks of things that nobody else does, and runs with his ideas.
4. He doesn't give two sh*ts about what anyone else thinks. He plays the game for fun.

And here are the reasons why I would not allow him to play in my games (none of which he has exhibited):

1. He doesn't lurk, flake, or slow the game down (in fact, quite the opposite. He is a bastion of rampant activity).
2. He doesn't cheat. He has asked me numerous times about what is legal or not legal, if the rules didn't address it specifically.
3. He doesn't make empty promises of content, and then not deliver (like so many people do, including myself).

I think everyone else just needs to accept his style (whether you like it or not) as a valid playstyle, and learn to work out your personality differences with him. Everyone has quirks and idiosyncracies; his just show up in a more obvious way.

[ReaperCharlie]

Darkness Before Dawn... http://goo.gl/Jijc3

Very good! Loved it as a kid! (still do) ^_^

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, I admit I am a little bit about Gurgi and singersigner winning as well. Actually, not a little bit. A lot.

It doesn't make sense flavor-wise, and besides, we made a direct choice to recruit everyone else over them, so I don't see how they did anything worthy of winning at all. Really, they were some of the most instrumental pieces in town's downfall.

[ReaperCharlie]

yea, my ability was unconfirmed. But

it was obvious i wasnt recruiter

. Thats what Im getting at. I wasnt Recruiter.

Of course it's obvious to

YOU

; you have the role PM. Try to think of it from other people's point of view, though. It becomes much more muddled, especially since nobody could confirm your claim, only Andrius was affected by your actions, and even he had no confirmation, etc. Also, you had the misfortune of replacing in for vezokpiraka, which throws a wrench in everything too.

Don't feel bad. Your wagon was scum-driven. It's not like you got lynched by townies.

[ReaperCharlie]

Anyway, I don't want to sound too critical. This was an awesome game, it was a lot of fun, and it was run very well. I would just suggest that, if you were to run a game like this again, you'd want to give town powers that do more to prevent the real threat (recruitment and the recruiters), rather then roles that prevent nightkilling and can only catch recruits.

I agree; I had a lot of fun in this game, all things considered.

Next time (if there is a next time, which I highly think there should be. Succession II, anyone?) I would recommend doing all of what Yosarian2 suggested, in addition to finding some way to make night AR easier on yourself. Of course, it's always going to be crazy with cults, but perhaps by making it clear to the cult doc that he needed to act fast (or even submit his actions before nightfall), that might have helped you in resolving quite a few things more easily. And on that note, another thing that seemed to be a trend was that people just didn't understand (or didn't bother to try to understand?) their roles, OR the game's setup. I mean, I thought you made it pretty clear that there were no more and no less than 2 recruiters. And even though the clues were there, some people just wanted to speculate otherwise. Unless you looked closely (which a lot of people didn't), it could have been misinterpreted. And then of course, things would have gone much better for the town if the loose cannons would have known that they were un-recruitable, investigation-immune/millers, etc.

I realize that things seem more fun/mysterious/interesting when you have to piece together the clues; I tend to err on the side of safety/ambiguity in most of my games too. But it's easy to forget what you have/haven't told players, especially when a lot of your mod notes are in your head, and not written down somewhere. There was a large amount of ambiguity that worked against the town from the beginning, and once I was recruited, I immediately began looking for ways to use that to my advantage, because I knew that had been my biggest disadvantage as town.

Don't take this as outright criticism; it's not. It's just saying that not everyone is as smart as you wish they were, and you have to break things down for them barney-style sometimes, so they can understand it. You mentioned one example of this on the bottom of the previous page:

Don't remember if it was a Townie or Recruit who said Day Six that there was no "flavor reason for a Cult Doc", but I wanted to smack them. If anything, there should have been two roles that could stop recruitment.

That was me. .. And I realize that there are such things as Cult doctors, and that they'd be very important especially in a game with multiple cults, but when all was said and done, the ambiguity there was a small crack which (over time) I could work my wedge into. Give it a few days, and eventually I had it wide open. and more people began jumping onto the bandwagon with me. It was like pouring lemon juice on a wound. Another thing that could really have helped toward balancing the game a little more toward a town victory would have been doing just as you suggested in the excerpt I quoted: adding a second Cult doc. Even if he would have picked the wrong target every single night, he could still have corroborated Robo's claim and would have successfully prevented the mislynch on Day 6. Even if he'd been killed before that, he'd have flipped Cult doc and Robo's claim would have been instantly believed. Not to mention, they could have protected each other from recruitment each night, and besides the fact that they could have had 200% of the coverage that Robo did, the very fact that there were two of them would have created about 500% more WIFOM for the cult recruiters to wade through when trying to pick a target.

And speaking of the recruiters, I can't believe they both picked the same target on Night 0. What are the chances? lol

I'm very surprised that there ended up being ONLY xvart on the other team at the end. We all thought that at LEAST one of Gurgi/singersigner were on the other team as well, if not both of them. We recruited Porochaz on the last night just so that we could block two out of three of our 'other cult' suspects. I am appalled at the amount of bad luck the other cult had when recruiting; that was really, really unprecedented. I think we got very lucky early on that they had two failed recruiting attempts. Though I cannot fault them for trying to recruit Flameaxe. I would have tried to recruit him too. Flameaxe did an excellent job of staying under the radar just enough, but without lurking. My hat's off to him.

One other big thing I would recommend changing for the next iteration of the setup (...seriously. Succession II. Do it. I'll even co-mod.) is that the loose cannons should be two-shot. I don't know about making them unrecruitable again, but having only one shot was severely crippling to the town (especially because of the cross-kills, but etc.) and if they'd had more, we would have been a lot more worried about one of us (or even our recruiter) getting shot at night. That, I feel, would have evened the playing field a lot more.

All in all, I enjoyed this game a lot, I feel that the theme of the flavor, two sons both wanting to inherit their father's mafia group, was extremely well conceived. I'm not sure if it's copied from a movie or something, or if it's been done before at all, but honestly, that really sucked me into the game. That was excellent. The game was well-narrated, too, and I for one liked the amount of ambiguity that was floating around at any given moment (even though it was detrimental to the possible win percentage of those who paid less attention). It really kept me and the rest of my cult on our toes, and playing outguess-the-mod is always fun anyway.

Thanks for a fun "last" game on Mafia.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, Flay. Can you make some post like this? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2496528

And can you change the beginning post to have links to everywhere, like this? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=14466

Thanks!

[ReaperCharlie]

Succession II

Yes!!1

/pre-in

[ReaperCharlie]

Or maybe even: his bribe ability could be used at any time of day or night (once per cycle), and that was the way he culted people.

But with items! (flashlight = search/investigate, brass knuckles=bodyguard, tommy gun=hitman, etc). That'd be pretty awesome!

[ReaperCharlie]

Wow, holy sh*t. Can you show me how to do that?

I don't want to spend hours trying to figure it out, and it looks like you already know the ropes pretty well.

<333

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks very much that will be incredibly useful (or at the very least, incredibly interesting for me as a mod).

Is there any way to automatically populate all that data into the chart, somewhat in the same way that Kison crawls the MS.net database for the MSutils.net site?

Or do you have to do it yourself. Cause that'd kinda suck, but it'd still be worth it for the visual graph!

Either way, thanks a ton.

[ReaperCharlie]

And here's something from me I forgot to submit.
This is how I kept track of everything going on. lol

Well that's pretty cool. I don't do anything like that, lol

I suppose I might be a better player if I kept track of stuff like THAT.

Still though, I won and you lost soooo.... *

*I'm kidding. I do really admire your organizational skills.

[ReaperCharlie]

I had to.

Reading 100+ pages

was very hard. :S

Therein lies your insanity.

You are a shameless glutton for punishment.

[ReaperCharlie]

^Nailed? You had me as Purple. I was Red.

ofc in review it should have been easy to spot, and ftr: I was recruited (immediately) the night after RC's (true) innocent investigation.

Yeah, that was our MO.

I investigate a night in advance, and then if they're innocent we recruit them, and if they're guilty we lynch them.

Simple but effective.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, unfortunately you had also nailed me as non-recruiter.

And further unfortunately, you also voted for my lynch target.

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