Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)

[d3x]

Actual discussion? Check. Out of the RVS? Check. d3x is now happy.

Things to note {and remember for later}-
Adrien answering for XS in p59.
AV gaining Town points across pages 3&4.

@XS87- When you say...

It's not scummy

Are you refering to Voting w/o reasons listed? I don't want to put words in your mouth, I'd just like a little clarification before following up with possible questions.

@Xite89- Are you kidding me? No. Side note- Why do you assume that there are 2 Earls? Do you have/are you a ScumRB and want to know if there's a Cop/Doc combo out there? If Beefy didn't continue his dominance of scummy play, I'd be switching to you. Just sayin'.

[Xite91]

@D3x - I know something that would make them claiming help me to catch scum. I'm actually fairly certain of the setup at the moment. Actually, the best way to catch scum would be a full role-claim in my opinion, because we know that there are only X amount of ways everything works. And if we do it now, scum have no way of having planned out how they were going to claim in the first place. I think if we did, we can win in 2 days easily.

[AurorusVox]

Re: Earl's claiming - no.

@D3x - I know something that would make them claiming help me to catch scum. I'm actually fairly certain of the setup at the moment. Actually, the best way to catch scum would be a full role-claim in my opinion, because we know that there are only X amount of ways everything works. And if we do it now, scum have no way of having planned out how they were going to claim in the first place. I think if we did, we can win in 2 days easily.

Re: massclaiming - again...no. Massclaiming on page 5, on d1? I really don't see how this would help anyone but scum. Sorely tempted to switch my vote to you, but I still have outstanding questions of XS.

[d3x]

/facepalm

[d3x]

^ was directed @ Xite

[nocase]

you could also give some clarification

about?

[nocase]

you are concerned already. Why is that? Something to hide?

loaded question, possibly role fishing.

(I'm getting what I think is a similar feeling to Cathart, you are hiding your feelings beneath your words, trying to act cool under pressure but not quite succeeding.)

what does this say about aurorusvox's alignment?

All I know, is that your inital reaction looked pretty much like a sarcasm (the 'Fantastic' part), and I learned already that sarcasm is one of the most common reactions when trying to hide uneasy feelings or outright lie your way out of situation (to avoid stupid misinterpretations: I'm talking about the former one right now). So far it's the only thing that looks even remotely interesting (in 'maybe he's a scum' way), so my vote stays for now.

sarcasm is not a scum tell. case closed.

yo, xscorpion, i got my eye on you.

[Xite91]

I'm just saying that given possible outcomes, it would be near impossible for scum to claim anything (aside from VT) without giving themselves away. They do that and they're lynched, they don't and no counterclaims happen, we assume that power roles are legit, and can focus mainly on VTs to find scum.

I dunno, seems like a good plan to me, but I understand, you guys prefer the more... conventional way

We don't have to, I'm just saying that if we use our heads, that might be the best way to catch scum

[nocase]

no to the earl mass claim.

xite, do you still fos budja?

[Xite91]

i'm caught up. i'll probably reread for some clarification but i'm caught up.

vote: adrien c.
fos: beefster.

Clarification as to why?
And I think I'm still voting budga, he's the scummiest to me at the moment.

[Budja]

(I'm getting what I think is a similar feeling to Cathart, you are hiding your feelings beneath your words, trying to act cool under pressure but not quite succeeding.)

what does this say about aurorusvox's alignment?

First scummy, but after later post changed my mind, newb-town.

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@Xite, you miss the point, massclaim is more powerful if we wait.

(Also, I forgot about Adrian, put him as my #2 for active lurking).

[nocase]

xite, on a scale of one to ten (one being super town, five being neutral, ten being super scum), where would you place budja?

budja, yes, i do realize you've switched your read on vox, but how does trying to disguise discomfort with cool when under pressure indicate uncomfortable scum as opposed to uncomfortable town?

[Budja]

Scum are

more likely

to feel discomfort under pressure.

[Xite91]

@Xite, you miss the point, massclaim is more powerful if we wait.

How do you figure?
Say we accidentally lynch a power role (just say we do, don't ask questions)
that narrows down the types of setups there can be, making scum more careful in a mass-claim IMO

xite, on a scale of one to ten (one being super town, five being neutral, ten being super scum), where would you place budja?

budja, yes, i do realize you've switched your read on vox, but how does trying to disguise discomfort with cool when under pressure indicate uncomfortable scum as opposed to uncomfortable town?

7 but what's your point? that's not really a case just n opinion

[Budja]

(just say we do, don't ask questions)

, but we

won't

lynch a PR day 1.
Scum fake-claiming is not a big enough worry to warrant a mass-claim.

@Xite, who's your #2?

[Xite91]

first part, that was the thing, maybe not day one, but the farther we go in, the more obvious setup becomes. Then it's easier for town to blend.

Trying to get my attention directed off of you? Won't work so well because I keep a good eye on each person, and you're just the one that gets the spotlight from me right now because you seem townie.
But if you

must

know, Aurorus
placeholder voting on me (I would vote you but right now I'm on this person) can be very scummy. Ive seen things where quickhammers go unattended to because the person uses their specific quote.
Honestly, I'm going back to the hospital in about 20 so I'll be gone for a bit (aka 242343 hours ) but as soon as I get back I'm going to do an iso read on everyone. (Maybe not post each and every one of them cuz that would just double the thread in size) and I'll make a "proper" case on him and you and anyone else I see fit when I do

[XScorpion]

And why exactly do you suspect d3x? You've said that voting without a reason is scummy - and yet, your vote on d3x took place in the RVS stage. You've yet to provide a solid reason for why you want to lynch him.

If you suspect both, you could easily have switched your votes earlier, when you insinuated that you suspected budja for voting . But you didn't. You waited until someone else had voted before changing.

Yes, voting without a reason is scummy, which is exactly why I suspect d3x. Did you miss the part where he joined budja in voting beef without giving any reasons? Obvious scummy bandwagoning is obvious.
Yes, I could have changed my vote, but since I find them equally scummy, there was no reason. I swapped votes because I don't care which one dies today, as long as it's one of them, and Budja became the more likely candidate.

Are you refering to Voting w/o reasons listed? I don't want to put words in your mouth, I'd just like a little clarification before following up with possible questions.

Voting without reasoning is anti-town, as is ignoring discussion. I would not rank them as high as say, quickhammers or rolefishing in terms of scummy behaviour.

FoS Xite for suggesting claims on earl.
FoS nocase for not having a case (ironic) on adrien c when we are clearly out of RVS, and dodging Xite's request for an explanation.

yo, xscorpion, i got my eye on you.

Is that a FoS? Any particular reason or are you just throwing my name out there for the lulz?

On second thought...

I know something that would make them claiming help me to catch scum.

Yeah no.

unvote
Vote: Xite

Xite is hiding information, breadcrumbing power role and rolefishing for Earl. @all: Which do you think more likely: scum or PR? I think the former.

[Xite91]

Scum obv know how to catch scum, because they are. I was not exactly rolefishing aka I wasnt going, hey you, claim. I came out with a suggestion to the whole town.
Second, could be a breadcrumb, but I could have just noticed something you didn't. You won't know until the mass claim, whenever it happens, or when it's too late to use it anymore.

Haha, and no he's not doing FoS, its IGMEOY

[XScorpion]

You must have a different definition of rolefishing than I do. Last time I checked, trying to find out what roles people are is rolefishing, no matter how many people you are asking.
So you admit to hiding information from town. Thanks for the clarification.
If you actually are town, or god forbid a real PR, you just completely screwed yourself by hinting to scum who you are.

[Xite91]

Thing is that I play to win. Not to live. That's why I'm so aggressive most of the time. I like to get things rolling for the end game, even if I won't be there.

[XScorpion]

If you are a PR, that is insanely anti-town.
If you are town, and scum kills you, then we won't know whatever information (assuming it is useful) you know since you won't have a chance to tell us, and then you'll have been useless.
Or you are just scum and trying to distract us from your partners. I like this option.

[Budja]

Scorpion is also a decent lynch.
Ironic that your "anti-rolefishing" speech is pretty blatantly rolefishing.

[XScorpion]

Are you suggesting Xite is more likely PR than scum?
I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[Budja]

I suggest you stop this discussion now.

[nocase]

FoS nocase for not having a case (ironic) on adrien c when we are clearly out of RVS, and dodging Xite's request for an explanation.

i love how people always thinks they're so clever when they figure out my name. have a cracker. now keep on fosing me for my play style. see where it gets you.

i have a scum read on adrien and a weaker scum read on beefster. both are gut reads.

something about you seems off. therefore, igmeoy. i'm still mulling it over.

Voting without reasoning is anti-town

voting without (immediately) stating a reason is neither anti-town nor scummy. this should not even be a point of debate. as someone who's been playing on this site for as long as you apparently have, you should probably know this.