Open 241: Emotional Breakdown! (Over)

[Mysterio]

Not a lot of useful posts so far in this game.

@ConfidAnon Why does AGar annoy you?

[ConfidAnon]

Not a lot of useful posts so far in this game.

@ConfidAnon Why does AGar annoy you?

Ongoing game.

[don_johnson]

Prox avoidance. Forgot about this one. Catch up when I hav time.

[AGar]

Hi DJ.

[Xite91]

Unvote, Vote:CA

I'm curious what happens

Rapid bandwagon time.

Unvote, Vote: Andrew94

Unvote, Vote: ConfidAnon

Unvote, Vote: AGar

He annoys me.

I lol'd
But seriously, did you want to get a wagon on him based on another game?

Responding to the prod.

I noted in my sig I'd be V/LA, thought that'd be enough.\

Will catch up tonight at some point.

Awww . . .

Trying to add suspicion without actually saying anything...

ConfidAnon apparently hates me. :/

Where some would say "hatred," I'd say . . . friendly rivalry?

I don't hate you. Take this emoticon as a peace offering.

<3

AtE?

You, sir, are definitely scum

[ConfidAnon]

Dang, you caught me.

Unvote, Vote: ConfidAnon

But seriously, we need something to start discussion here, and an AGar wagon would work fine.

Unvote, Vote: AGar

[Xite91]

I prefer the CA wagon

[ConfidAnon]

But the AGar wagon has leather seats.

[Mysterio]

This game is starting off really slow. To make things interesting, I'll go ahead and reveal that I am a

Mason

. That's right, I get to talk behind your backs! So, watch what you say.

Unvote: Shotty

Vote: ConfidAnon

For bringing issues from other games into this one. If you find AGar annoying from another game, then keep it there. Bringing it here implies that he annoys you in this game as well.

[Xite91]

But the AGar wagon has leather seats.

You've used that joke before.
This alone is reason for a vote

This game is starting off really slow. To make things interesting, I'll go ahead and reveal that I am a

Mason

. That's right, I get to talk behind your backs! So, watch what you say..

Mysterio is either a genious or scum. Masons,

don't

counter-claim plox, if he's scum thats what he's trying to get you to do.

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote
Vote: CA

lets see what happens

[nopointinactingup]

Vote:Dramonic

[Xite91]

Vote:Dramonic

I hope he modkills you

[Mysterio]

I'm tempted to vote for him for wasting my time.

And there will be no counterclaims, for I am indeed a Mason. However, that was an interesting reaction, Xite. Why do you feel the need to tell other Masons not to counterclaim? That seems self-evident, not to mention a Mason isn't exactly a game breaking role. Counterclaiming would be pointless. And yet you act as if it's a huge revelation. Why?

[Xite91]

Because it's still a PR and still a better role for town than VT. Also, that was just what I saw in your post

[Mysterio]

And a better role to night kill...

Your reaction is what I would expect from scum who was just given a convenient target.

Unvote: ConfidAnon

Vote: Xite

[Xite91]

And a better role to night kill...

Your reaction is what I would expect from scum who was just given a convenient target.

Unvote: ConfidAnon

Vote: Xite

Bolded. Which is why I told them not to counter-claim
And hey, it could be not self-evident.

How is my reaction what you would expect exactly? I mean, other than the attempt to not get PRs outted?

[Mysterio]

Think about how a PR claim looks to scum when they know for a fact that the player making the claim is town. And then think about how they would react. Now, go back and read your post. Do you see any similarities?

A genuine attempt to not have a PR role outed is certainly a possibility, but given the role I've claimed and how early in the game it is, it doesn't quite fit as nicely as you being scum.

[Xite91]

Think about how a PR claim looks to scum when they know for a fact that the player making the claim is town. And then think about how they would react. Now, go back and read your post. Do you see any similarities?

A genuine attempt to not have a PR role outed is certainly a possibility, but given the role I've claimed and how early in the game it is, it doesn't quite fit as nicely as you being scum.

How exactly would you say scum would react?
I think scum would react in a way such as,
1) "Oh, he's lying, lynch him!!!" That way, if he is a PR then they have one less of them to deal with
2) Trying to get a counter-claim/confirmation that you are in fact said PR

1) I never tried to get you lynched because
a) I think you're town, just not a mason, trying to pull something I've actually done a few times before
b) If you were scum pushing for it, you would probably have waited to post again and then done so when there was enough suspicion on you that you could tell who the real masons were, then claim to be gambitting. Going after me for what I said makes me believe even more that you're town, just not a mason

2) I figure that if you ARE in fact scum, then your intention was to get a counter-claim, if that were the case then, like I said, you would have waited for one (see 1b). If I was scum, then I would try to get a counter-claim or confirmation from one of your other mason-buddies that you are in fact a mason, that way I would know who to NK tonight and tomorrow night. Thing is, though, that I would much rather NOT see our power roles killed off each night, hence my reaction.

So, now it's time for you to point out exactly how my reaction would seem scummy

[Mysterio]

Here's my take on it:

A scum sees my claim, and knows that I am town. At this point in the game, it is in the best interest of scum to blend in. Making overtly scummy moves would obviously be bad play. What is the best way to blend in for scum who knows that I'm town? Make a fake attempt at stopping a counterclaim. At the same time, the scum would be thinking to themselves, "Easy N1 target." Unfortunately, that kind of thought can slip into the post without the person realizing it. You see, my goal in claiming was to try and catch someone slipping. I believe I have. Also, your reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If you truly thought someone would counterclaim me (so much so that you felt the need to tell people not to), then how much sense would it make for me to fake claim? Especially to fake claim as town, thereby opening myself up to be counterclaimed and possibly lynched/FOS'd even though I was town? That contradicts your initial reaction to my claim and reads like you're making it up as you go along.

[bv310]

Or you're just scum trying the Mason gambit in the hopes you're set. Either way, it's kinda interesting.

[Xite91]

Dividing this up point by point

Here's my take on it:

1) A scum sees my claim, and knows that I am town.
2) At this point in the game, it is in the best interest of scum to blend in. Making overtly scummy moves would obviously be bad play.
3) What is the best way to blend in for scum who knows that I'm town? Make a fake attempt at stopping a counterclaim.
4) At the same time, the scum would be thinking to themselves, "Easy N1 target."

Unfortunately

, that kind of thought can slip into the post without the person realizing it. You see, my goal in claiming was to try and catch someone slipping. I believe I have.
5) Also, your reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
6) If you truly thought someone would counterclaim me (so much so that you felt the need to tell people not to), then how much sense would it make for me to fake claim?
7) Especially to fake claim as town, thereby opening myself up to be counterclaimed and possibly lynched/FOS'd even though I was town? That contradicts your initial reaction to my claim and reads like you're making it up as you go along.

1) Assuming you're town, which I am atm.
2) Uhm, that's every point in the game IMO. Sometimes, making overtly scummy moves is a good play, if done right, but rarely do scum take that chance
3) Who said it was fake? Nice Misrep
4) Bolded. How's that unfortunate unless you're scum? Also, I'd like you to point out that "slip"
5) How?
6) If you claimed it was for a gambit, it would make sense. If you said they were lying, it would make sense. Of course this wouldn't get you past D2 in most cases, but with 2 kills per night, that's not a bad chance of winning still.
7) To fake claim as town? Now here's a slip we can talk about.
Anyways, since you're slipping away from looking townie to me, I'll give you what I thought you were doing if you were town, hence the "youre a genius" in my reaction
You claim mason
Theres a bit of discussion, a lot of which gives some good info during the day
If no one else claims, you get NK'd, giving town less of a chance of losing a PR
If others claim, there's still a chance of you getting NK'd, which is still less a chance of town losing a PR
Therefore, a successful gambit

[dramonic]

Votecount 2: What a Feeling!

Xite (1): Mysterio
drmyshottyizsik (2): a2rudeboy, andrew94
andrew94 (2): bv310, AGar
ConfidAnon (2): Xite, drmyshottyizsik
AGar (1): ConfidAnon

Not voting (4): nopointinactingup, smashbro_of_the_SSS, don_johnson, Kaiveran

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

SotSSS is on announced V/LA
Kaiveran prodded

Deadline is the 27th

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[Xite91]

I'm tempted to vote for him for wasting my time.

And there will be no counterclaims, for I am indeed a Mason. However, that was an interesting reaction, Xite. Why do you feel the need to tell other Masons not to counterclaim? That seems self-evident, not to mention a Mason isn't exactly a game breaking role.

Counterclaiming would be pointless.

And yet you act as if it's a huge revelation. Why?

Waitasecond....
Why would counter claiming be pointless?

[andrew94]

I'm tempted to vote for him for wasting my time.

And there will be no counterclaims, for I am indeed a Mason. However, that was an interesting reaction, Xite. Why do you feel the need to tell other Masons not to counterclaim? That seems self-evident, not to mention a Mason isn't exactly a game breaking role.

Counterclaiming would be pointless.

And yet you act as if it's a huge revelation. Why?

Waitasecond....
Why would counter claiming be pointless?

i see this as a huge attempt to distract attention
rofl xite...