Mini 1034 - Castlevania Mafia (Game Over)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.3

LynchMePls (0) -
drmyshottyizsik (1) - Katsuki
jenniwren (0) -
UncertainKitten (1) - McGriddle
MehPlusRawr (0) -
Katsuki (1) - Dekes
Dekes (0) -
Coach Travis (2) - jenniwren, tanstalas
zwetschenwasser (2) - UncertainKitten, Coach Travis
McGriddle (1) - VasudeVA
VasudeVa (0) -
tanstalas (2) - zwetschenwasser, LynchMePls
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (2) - drmyshottyizsik, MehPlusRawr

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is September 16, ~ 9 am PDT.

[LimMePls]

@LMP: Reasons r nice.

Well, in one word: Desperation. That post just read a bit like squirming scum to me. And I'm always wary of people who scream "OMGUS" at the first opportunity.

[UncertainKitten]

Zwet's also generally useless so I admit I'm colored just a wee bit by the fact he's annoying ^-^;.

Admittedly, a policy lynch is a terrible idea and I would rather catch scum. So far zwet's shown the most scum intent, but it's been a really, really small amount.

At any rate, I'm gambling on KDub being a good mod and guessing that there are two ways he could have done this. One is providing fakeclaims to obvious scum like Dracula, Death, Camilla, Werewolf, Axe Armor...things like that. Two is making it so generally "good" guys are the scum in this case, convinced to do Dracula's bidding for whatever reason. Hell, that's happened in the games, so it's easily justified. The trick is figuring out which it is, but for now I'm willing to clear Dekes because I have a preference for the former solution as a mod myself.

If he does things with scum intent, of course I'll reassess my claim.

[UncertainKitten]

@LMP: So why are you voting tanstalas instead of zwet, zwet being the first to shout OMGUS without providing any reasoning for the scumminess thereof?

[LimMePls]

Cause I think tans came off the worse in that exchange. Here is how it read to me:

Tans votes CT.
zwet says its a bus.
Tans says "you can think what you want, but now I'm wary of you"
zwet says "OMGUS"
Tans says "NO YOU!" and then votes zwet

Of the two, tans looks much scummier to me than zwet.

[Dekes]

I was wondering what you were up to with your little survey, UK.
But to ask a little game theory: Are provided fakeclaims a common thing around here? I've read/skimmed a couple of themed games and I don't think I've ever come across mod-provided fakeclaims.

Now to what I've noticed so far:
- Zwetsch's batshit crazy attention whoring doesn't seem like it would be sensible for scum to enter the game in that manner. Seems like he's trying to set up gambits all over the place to "catch scum" at every opportunity. The Coach Travis slip seems a little far fetched. Bandwagoning is not a scumtell at all and zwet deserved the suspicion, whether intentional or not, doesn't matter. But then again, if some of you say he's always like this, I can't really argue about this, haven't played with him before. Oh yeah, and

UK, you should know that I suck at flavor fakeclaims, and that in every single game I've been in that I don't know the flavor of, I have claimed my real name. You can check, too. I know almost nothing about castlevania, for the record.

Irrelevant
- MPR: Thank you for your insightfulness.
- Agree with LMP here (although he got the order wrong: Zwet said OMGUS first and tans didn't vote for zwet). However, Tans reacted very defensive to the vote by Zwet. And Tans, if you are wary of everyone by default, why did you specifically say you were wary of Zwet after he called you scum?
Right now I approve of this wagon:

Vote: Tanstalas

[VasudeVa]

- MPR: Thank you for your insightfulness.

I find this to be very out of place. What gives?

[Dekes]

Uh, what?

[VasudeVa]

I don't seem to remember you interacting with MPR, nor has MPR been in the spotlight, nor has he been lurking for a significant amount of time to warrant you calling him out like that. Hence, out of place.

[Dekes]

Because he could've stated what he found so confusing or he could've said nothing at all. But I don't see how a simple "Uh, what?" was helpful in any way.
And that wasn't even really the main point of my post.

[zwetschenwasser]

^OMGUS

Unvote; Vote: tanstalas

No. What YOU just did was OMGUS, I just stated that I was wary of you now, and am wary of everyone since I do not know who is scum and who is mafia. Now I am starting to think you are scum as you are vote hopping.

HoS: Zewt

Yes, you are getting the whole hand, all FIVE fingers

is this the most you can do without town getting on your case for a real OMGUS vote? Also, you're backpedaling by saying "of course when I said I was wary of you I meant everybody else too becuz I'm town like that kthxbai"

[MehPlusRawr]

I was expressing confusion at how anyone would do something as stupid as fakeclaiming like that d1.

[zwetschenwasser]

what are you talking about?

[UncertainKitten]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkk...can't read shit people...eye dilation...I kinda forgot that from the eye exam. When I can see again, I'll try to get you those results.

[tanstalas]

Cause I think tans came off the worse in that exchange. Here is how it read to me:

Tans votes CT.
zwet says its a bus.
Tans says "you can think what you want, but now I'm wary of you"
zwet says "OMGUS"
Tans says "NO YOU!" and then votes zwet

Of the two, tans looks much scummier to me than zwet.

#1 - As pointed out earlier Zwet was the first to go into the whole OMGUS thing
#2 - I had a valid reason to HoS Zwet and I explained it (his vote hopping)
#3 - I also like the way in your little recap above you said that zwet just said "OMGUS" when in fact he said that and THEN also voted for me, and your point below you mention that I voted for Zwet, which I didn't - I just HoS'd him.

So in your short little recap of why you voted for me you misrepresented probably the two most important things for your case, the fact that Zwet voted for me and the fact that I did NOT vote for Zwet

Your vote on me as well as Dekes vote on me are both very scummy looking considering the "reason" you are voting for me is because I HoS'd someone who was vote hopping.

Unvote:
Vote: LMP
FoS: Dekes

I, unlike you have given plenty of reasons why I am voting for you and FOS'ing Dekes, so please call this OMGUS again

[UncertainKitten]

So...um...basically everyone who votes you is somehow scum, tans? You also don't really get into the Dekes thing.

Meh, whatever, early D1, cases tend to suck.

At any rate I can mostly see now.

[LimMePls]

114 is funny. Its true, I said you voted when you didn't, because somehow in my brain I translated that HOS into a vote, since I assumed you would actually vote, not HOS. What exactly was the point of HOS there anyways? Where was your vote at the time? If you really thought what he was doing was so scummy it was worth a HOS, then why wasn't it worth your vote?

I'm loving my vote.

[tanstalas]

So...um...basically everyone who votes you is somehow scum, tans? You also don't really get into the Dekes thing.

Meh, whatever, early D1, cases tend to suck.

At any rate I can mostly see now.

What? Where did you get that?

I said his reasoning for voting me was stupid. He (LMP) voted me over Zwet and the reason given was because "He did an OMGUS vote" which isn't even true, I never even voted him - and it was Zwet who did the OMGUS vote. Dekes basically voted me because he said I got defensive to Zwet's vote on me:

No. What YOU just did was OMGUS, I just stated that I was wary of you now, and am wary of everyone since I do not know who is scum and who is mafia. Now I am starting to think you are scum as you are vote hopping.

I don't see how the above statement made me seem defensive.

I HoS'd him for his vote hopping; he VOTED me for my comment that his comment made me think he was a little more scummy (A true OMGUS vote).

[tanstalas]

114 is funny. Its true, I said you voted when you didn't, because somehow in my brain I translated that HOS into a vote, since I assumed you would actually vote, not HOS. What exactly was the point of HOS there anyways? Where was your vote at the time? If you really thought what he was doing was so scummy it was worth a HOS, then why wasn't it worth your vote?

I'm loving my vote.

My vote was on coach, however thanks to you I found a good place to put it.

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - Also you didn't explain why you forgot to leave out Zewt's vote on me in your analysis. Sub consciously protecting your scum-buddy?

[UncertainKitten]

VV: Interesting lack of a stance. Any particular reason you are "meh" on it?
LMP: Nothing of note.
Katsuki: Why do you support it? (Ah, wait, you explain this.) In that case, why is the "it does no harm" explanation suitable for supporting a game claim?
jenniwren: I think you explain why you're against it later. Ok, found your explanation. Um...granted, I don't expect many universal characters, but why are you opposed if you "think it's pretty unlikely that anyone could actually figure anything concrete out based on that information, though."?
Already commented on Dekes.
tans: This is an interesting chain of reasoning. I'd REALLY HOPE that no one would vote purely on flavor.
MPR: What makes you think it wouldn't matter?
Coach Travis: Why are full claims better in such an early situation? Do you understand the (slight) benefits of locking claims vaguely as opposed to explicitly?
McGriddle: Why?
zwet: And how does it benefit the scum to speculate based purely on game?

OK, I think that's all the lead ins. Sorry, I'm more questioning than concluding at this juncture.

Also, LMP: How does it benefit scum to HOS over voting? Why do you "love your vote"?

Cut by tans:

Ok, so, how does stupid reasoning make one more likely to be scum? Please?

To be fair, that post you quote seems very defensive.

Oh, right, how does vote hopping make one more likely to be scum?

@Dekes: While I'm at it, how does defensiveness make one more likely to be scum?

I ask all these questions seriously, not with the intent to ridicule, but to understand the thought process, and also to encourage you examine your "tells" to see if they actually have scum intent in them.

[tanstalas]

Cut by tans:

Ok, so, how does stupid reasoning make one more likely to be scum? Please?

It's not a well thought out vote - scum know who is scum and who are town, so they tend to be "lazier" in making their cases against other people.

Oh, right, how does vote hopping make one more likely to be scum?

If they are vote hopping it means they are basically just throwing random votes with stupid reasons (see above) hoping something will stick and hoping they can encourage someone else to hop on their bandwagon (in my opinion)

[UncertainKitten]

What prevents townies from being lazy, especially in early game? Fair point on the second. There does exist vote hopping that can benefit scum more.

[LimMePls]

Also, LMP: How does it benefit scum to HOS over voting?

Well, IMO the purpose of a FOS is to say "My vote is on someone scummier, so I don't want to vote you, however if I had a second vote, you'd be it". To me HOS almost shouldn't even exist, it's just empty posturing. What does a HOS do that a FOS wouldn't? Especially if you haven't FOS'ed anyone. I look for the motivation. In this case it looks to me like he just wanted to try and tar the person poking at him. He even feels the need to extra emphasize it "yes all 5 fingers". Language that strong this early should be backed up by a vote. Does he mean to imply that this early in the game he has so much suspicion of zwet that it deserves not just a FOS but a HOS, but he has EVEN MORE reasons to leave his vote on CT? And that's before you even factor in that since then he has tossed a FOS on Dekes and a Vote on me. Where does this leave CT? Is CT now suddenly not on the scale? If CT is off the scale, then why was zwet even HOS'ed in the first place? And this is all less than 48 hours into the game.

Why do you "love your vote"?

Cause I think it's on scum.

@tans: Please don't answer questions in quote blocks. It can sometimes confuse people on who is saying what, and sometimes I skim a quote block when I know I've already read the content. I know you bolded here and there was nothing else in your post, but if you don't mind I'd prefer you not add text into a quote block. It kinda defeats the whole purpose of a quote if you are changing the contents.

[zwetschenwasser]

@ UK it's an excuse to active lurk.