Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[chamber]

@sens

You seem to have missed where jack claimed consulmaker.

@powerrox

proxying your vote to someone is giving them control of it, its normally not officially done.

[SpyreX]

I think the Tribune needs to not be afraid to veto.

HOWEVER, they better have a good damn reason.

Vote: Primate

Mostly for having the right idea.

[chesskid3]

Given that self-voting is possible unless I msised something, why are moer people not self vogting?

[SpyreX]

In general? Not sure.

Me? At least out of the gate I want to draw blood. I want to direct the kill, not stop it. Maybe after being awesome I'll retire to my throne of skulls and wave my hand at the plebs.

But for now?

SPQR WHAT WHAT

[chesskid3]

As a scummy-VI btw I want to be a consul :DDDD

[ribwich]

I am counterclaiming consulmaker. I have no idea why Jack tried claiming it this early since outing me does scum absolutely no good, but he is not it. If you guys want, I can prove it at the end of this day by calling who will be the new consuls day 2.

[Rabies]

Wait a second... what?

UNVOTE:

[Jack]

I...counterclaim the counterclaim I guess? Counter-counter-claim? Explain please ribwhich.

[ribwich]

I chose the consuls pretty much randomly. This is actually my first game after a two year hiatus, so I don't really know any of the players or know who would be a good pick. I did remember the name SensFan (although nothing about him) from Price is Right Mafia, so I picked him and then just a random player.

I decided right away that if someone else tried claiming my role, I would have no problem with counterclaiming it. This isn't even a real power role since another townie will get it right away if I die, so town loses nothing by me being outed. It's also an easy to prove role since I can announce who the new consuls will be before the next day starts.

[scotmany12]

Vote: Mert

I like Primate as the other Tribune. We should not make Jack a tribune anymore.

[chamber]

It's also an easy to prove role since I can announce who the new consuls will be before the next day starts.

If you are telling the truth please don't do this. At this point we are likely going to just kill one of you 2, but really, don't do this.

Unvote

Unsure on tribunes now.

[SpyreX]

Uhhh.

Lucy you've got some splainin' to do. I'm really having a hard time seeing the motivation scum side BUTT I'm sure missing townside too.

[Jack]

It's also an easy to prove role since I can announce who the new consuls will be before the next day starts.

If you are telling the truth please don't do this. At this point we are likely going to just kill one of you 2, but really, don't do this.

Unvote

Unsure on tribunes now.

I understand the dictator concerns but it seems like the only way to resolve the issue. Unless rib just confesses before it comes to that.

I decided right away that if someone else tried claiming my role, I would have no problem with counterclaiming it.

What on earth? When did you decide this? Because I'm completely baffled that my claim is disputed; I had no idea it would happen much less a plan of action.

I did remember the name SensFan (although nothing about him) from Price is Right Mafia, so I picked him and then just a random player.

Is this your way of criticizing my choices? For the record I did not choose randomly.

[scotmany12]

It's also an easy to prove role since I can announce who the new consuls will be before the next day starts.

If you are telling the truth please don't do this. At this point we are likely going to just kill one of you 2, but really, don't do this.

Unvote

Unsure on tribunes now.

I understand the dictator concerns but it seems like the only way to resolve the issue. Unless rib just confesses before it comes to that.

It's hardly the only way to resolve the issue. We have you executed, then if you turn up town, we execute rib the next day.

[Lowell]

vote lowell tribune

So.... we already have a claim and counterclaim? We kill them, right? What's hard about this?

[Powerrox93]

So.... we already have a claim and counterclaim? We kill them, right?

Not yet, everyone in this game hasn't even posted yet. I think they would be happy if they got a chance of joining the game.

[Primate]

I think they are both probably town, and more that we try to figure out which one of the two is actually the consulmaker we help the scum. A gambit was run for cover, let's use it whilst we still have some ambiguity there.

Even aside from that, I don't see the benefit of us killing one of the two yet, it's going to become obvious which one of the two is consulmaker over the next few days, why even take the small chance that we hit the wrong one? The only

[Primate]

EBODP:

real downside is that we may have to override the consulmakers choice later if things get remain ambiguous .

[Nathanael]

I really see no reason why we should not execute one of {Jack, ribwich}. As none of them took their claim back, it is clear that one of them has to be scum.
Since lynching the consulmaker is in no way worse than lynching a VT, we basically have a 50% chance of hitting scum without any drawback. you will never get such a high

a priori

(that is, without relying on scum/town-tells) percentage elsewhere.

[Nathanael]

ok, then:

Jack:
1. what gain did you expect from claiming consulmaker?
2. would you claim consulmaker as scum?
3. do you think ribwich would counterclaim you as scum?
4. do you think there is a chance you are both town?

ribwich:
1. would you have claimed consulmaker if Jack hadn't claimed?
2. do you believe Jack is scum?
3. why do you think did Jack claim consulmaker?

vote Lowell

[Primate]

But we'll always have that 50%, today, tomorrow, whenever. At some point, based on choices, it's going to become clear that one of them isn't the consulmaker. Deal with it then, when we don't have a chance of killing a townie.

[SensFan]

I will not allow an execution of either claimed Consulmaker to go through today.

[scotmany12]

I will not allow an execution of either claimed Consulmaker to go through today.

It's a good thing you aren't a dictator.

I thought of the possibility that both of them are town. I find it highly unlikely. Town doesn't gain anything by fakeclaiming consulmaker.

[SensFan]

I will not allow an execution of either claimed Consulmaker to go through today.

It's a good thing you aren't a dictator.

I thought of the possibility that both of them are town. I find it highly unlikely. Town doesn't gain anything by fakeclaiming consulmaker.

They both have the power of a Day-ending execution and an absolute power to veto any such execution.

I'm not willing to take a 50-50 shot today, and risk killing a confirmable PR, when we can ensure we get a 100% lynch of the liar on D3. Yes, I have a way to figure out which of them is lying by D3. No, I don't think its best to divulge it until just before we execute someone today.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote

vote: chamber

Pretty good feeling one of our Consuls is scum, based on reactions to the counterclaim, and Primate may be as well. If one of Jack/ribwich are scum, Primate for first of all bringing up the possibility both could be town.