Open 289 - Hard Boiled - Game over.

[implosion]

Vote count 1.1:

Xtoxm - 0
Krazy - 2 (Snake Eyes, Abelcain)
Umbrage - 2 (iamausername, ConSpiracy)
Ythan - 1 (Krazy)
ConSpiracy - 3 (Vordark, DarthYoshi, Umbrage)
TheBigLebowski - 0
Snake Eyes - 0
Vordark - 1 (TheBigLebowski)
Quaroath - 0
Abelcain - 0
iamausername - 0
DarthYoshi - 1 (Quaroath)
No lynch - 0
Not voting: Xtoxm, Ythan.

With 12 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

[Umbrage]

OK, so my vote on ConSpiracy is about as serious as you can get for page 1 reads. Xtoxm stands out as odd to me, he didn't random vote, he didn't really say hello or anything, he just answered the questions. I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.

[Ythan]

Hi everyone. Dropping a post here for egosearch, I'll stop back by in a bit.

[Ythan]

Hi, everyone. Time for some obligatory opening questions--

What time zone are you in?

EST.

RVS or RQS? Why?

I don't care. While you're doing that I have plenty of posts to look at to do my own thing.

What is your experience level with Mafia?

Sufficient.

How active can we expect you to be?

Hahahahaha.

[Ythan]

@Krazy: I've never played a game with Ythan. Why should we be policy lynching him?

Irrelevant reasons. I hurt his feelings in another game.

[iamausername]

I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.

Why bother pointing it out if you're not going to draw a conclusion from it? Is it because you want someone else to do your dirty work for you?

[Krazy]

Irrelevant reasons. I hurt his feelings in another game.

Not supposed to talk about ongoing games Ythan. tsk tsk

[Snake Eyes]

OK, so my vote on ConSpiracy is about as serious as you can get for page 1 reads. Xtoxm stands out as odd to me, he didn't random vote, he didn't really say hello or anything, he just answered the questions. I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.

Why is ConSpiracy asking you specifically a question a somewhat serious scumtell? What about it is more scummy than a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS, and why point it out if it's not scummy?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

[ConSpiracy]

So Umbrage, thoughts on people?

Why me? As I said, I don't consider RVS means much in the way of scum versus town. I really don't think anyone can find scum on page one.

VOTE: ConSpiracy

You singled me out for a reason, but why would you ask for my thoughts when I said I find RVS meaningless?

Think further

OK, so my vote on ConSpiracy is about as serious as you can get for page 1 reads. Xtoxm stands out as odd to me, he didn't random vote, he didn't really say hello or anything, he just answered the questions. I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.

Great, post. Are you going to point out things that are scummy or only things that you see as null?

Why is ConSpiracy asking you specifically a question a somewhat serious scumtell? What about it is more scummy than a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS, and why point it out if it's not scummy?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

Wait a minute. I wasn't doing much to get out of the RVS? That's not true.

Also, @ mod: Why aren't spoilers allowed? I use them once in a while and I can't see any harm in those

.

I think the point is to avoid having players trying to hide stuff from some people. It was in the ruleset that I plagiarized, and in most other rulesets that I know of.

[Snake Eyes]

Wait a minute. I wasn't doing much to get out of the RVS? That's not true.

Read my post again. I meant that xtoxm was arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS by just answering the activity questions, and not voting or saying anything relevant really.

[Umbrage]

Hi, everyone. Time for some obligatory opening questions--

What time zone are you in?

EST.

RVS or RQS? Why?

I don't care. While you're doing that I have plenty of posts to look at to do my own thing.

What is your experience level with Mafia?

Sufficient.

How active can we expect you to be?

Hahahahaha.

I like this guy already.

What about it is more scummy than a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS, and why point it out if it's not scummy?

Uh... what? Firstly, not pushing the game past RVS is not a scumtell. Some people really like RVS. Secondly, I already said why it struck me as kind of scummy, it was really out of the blue, I have no idea why he would ask me that unless he knew that I wouldn't give a straight answer and he wanted to make me look bad. That was my reasoning. Unless you happen to know that he had a better reason, why dispute my logic there? Thirdly, I really don't see how xotxm was trying to avoid moving past RVS. If anything, he was trying to skip it altogether by not random voting.

I brought up the xotxm thing to see how people would react, let me get a feel for the people here. I really do doubt ConSpiracy's motives in asking me that question, but my vote on him was mainly to see how you reacted to a serious vote early in RVS. Just my little way of getting to know you.

[Abelcain]

Abelcain:

and then you're trying to subliminally tell to us to get rid of ConSpiracy too?

I can't tell if this is serious or not. Ordinarily, I'd say no, but the tone of the rest of your post seems serious, so I can't tell if your vote is serious or not. Please clarify.

That last line was completely a joke, and the vote's only semi-serious. I was actually trying to get a reaction out of Krazy, and I figured it'd be easier to get a reaction if I also said something completely outrageous and made it sound serious. (This is also why I didn't post last night, because I didn't want to give it away so soon.) Isn't the point of RVS to get a reaction out of people anyway?

However, it's pretty clear that Krazy not only ignored my post

but

he still hasn't even given us a real reason for his PL against Ythan. And before anyone tries to tell me that he wasn't serious about a policy lynch, so far talking about the PL is the

only thing

Krazy's actually contributed to any sort of discussion in this game, aside from his short RQS answers in his first post.

Secondly, I already said why it struck me as kind of scummy, it was really out of the blue, I have no idea why he would ask me that unless he knew that I wouldn't give a straight answer and he wanted to make me look bad.

Could you explain this part? Why wouldn't you give a straight answer to ConSpiracy's question? And why would he "know" that you wouldn't give a straight answer?

[Umbrage]

@ Abelcain:

RVS, I don't really think it means much

I didn't answer the question because I don't like giving out opinions based on RVS stuff. I think ConSpiracy saw the above, and that's why he questioned me. Why else would he single me out?

[ConSpiracy]

@ Abelcain:

RVS, I don't really think it means much

I didn't answer the question because I don't like giving out opinions based on RVS stuff. I think ConSpiracy saw the above, and that's why he questioned me. Why else would he single me out?

Because you had two votes and nobody made the slightest attempt to get us out of the RVS. I thought I could do it, so bandwagon went up.

[Umbrage]

OK, that makes sense.

UNVOTE: ConSpiracy

VOTE: Snake Eyes

[Snake Eyes]

Uh... what? Firstly, not pushing the game past RVS is not a scumtell. Some people really like RVS.

Thirdly, I really don't see how xotxm was trying to avoid moving past RVS. If anything, he was trying to skip it altogether by not random voting

Agreed, which is why I struggled to understand why you pointed out xtoxm's actions in particular. Well, agreed apart from him trying to skip it. Trying to skip it would mean actively trying to get something going in the game.

Secondly, I already said why it struck me as kind of scummy, it was really out of the blue, I have no idea why he would ask me that unless he knew that I wouldn't give a straight answer and he wanted to make me look bad. That was my reasoning. Unless you happen to know that he had a better reason, why dispute my logic there?

I really do doubt ConSpiracy's motives in asking me that question, but my vote on him was mainly to see how you reacted to a serious vote early in RVS. Just my little way of getting to know you.

I don't understand why you would immediately assume ConSpiracy had some ulterior motives, as asking questions in early game can only help move the game forward. In the quotes above you show such remarkable self-consciousness that I'm starting to think my vote is in the right place.

VOTE: Snake Eyes

Care to give us an explanation for this? Or is this straight up OMGUS?

[Umbrage]

Agreed, which is why I struggled to understand why you pointed out xtoxm's actions in particular. Well, agreed apart from him trying to skip it. Trying to skip it would mean actively trying to get something going in the game.

I pointed it out to see what the rest of you thought. What do you think of him, exactly? You said he was "a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS", which you obviously regard as a scumtell. But instead of going after him, you go after me, why?

I don't understand why you would immediately assume ConSpiracy had some ulterior motives, as asking questions in early game can only help move the game forward.

Well, my questioning ConSpiracy's motives could only help move the game forward, so what's the problem?

In the quotes above you show such remarkable self-consciousness that I'm starting to think my vote is in the right place.

You mean the quotes that explain that I did what I did to get us out of RVS. You've said that it's bad to prolong RVS, and yet you say I'm scummy. Interesting.

Care to give us an explanation for this? Or is this straight up OMGUS?

Ooh, quick to judge, are we? I'm voting you because you've contradicted yourself. See above. You seem desperate to stop RVS and get a wagon started.

[Snake Eyes]

Agreed, which is why I struggled to understand why you pointed out xtoxm's actions in particular. Well, agreed apart from him trying to skip it. Trying to skip it would mean actively trying to get something going in the game.

I pointed it out to see what the rest of you thought. What do you think of him, exactly? You said he was "a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS", which you obviously regard as a scumtell. But instead of going after him, you go after me, why?

I don't think anything of him. You're the one who brought him up. As for why I said he was a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS, I said it to see if you would suddenly find it scummy after I said it, or back off of conspiracy. I don't obviously regard it as a scumtell, and I never said I did.

Well, my questioning ConSpiracy's motives could only help move the game forward, so what's the problem?

Haha, is this a serious post? Do I need to explain to you the difference between a guy who is asking questions to get reads off of people, and a guy who thinks that when he's asked a question, he's being set up to look bad?

You mean the quotes that explain that I did what I did to get us out of RVS. You've said that it's bad to prolong RVS, and yet you say I'm scummy. Interesting.

I genuinely think it's scummy that you're paranoid of ulterior motives when someone asks you a fairly innocuous question, yes. If you're truly acting like this out of desire to end the RVS, good job I guess, because we're officially out of RVS now.

@everyone: Stuff is happening. Any thoughts?

[Krazy]

Ok. Since I now realize that explaining my reasoning for a policy lynch would require me to talk about an ongoing game, I will now retract my reasoning for my vote on Ythan as being a policy lynch.

Now my vote on Ythan is because he did not join in RVS and has not voted yet.

[Krazy]

I like this guy already.

Thanks for sharing. Considering there's so much discussion as to whether Xtoxm was contributing by only answering the questions, what do you make of Ythan only answering the questions and not voting? Are you letting Ythan off the hook because you find him amusing?

[Abelcain]

I didn't answer the question because I don't like giving out opinions based on RVS stuff. I think ConSpiracy saw the above, and that's why he questioned me. Why else would he single me out?

That doesn't mean that you can't give a straight answer. Hell, your post (#19) where you told him you don't like forming RVS opinions was enough of an answer. Nobody accused you of avoiding the question when you said that. The only person who thinks you didn't give a straight answer is

you

. So instead of it looking like ConSpiracy was setting a trap, it looks like you're doubting your own posts and pretending to see scummy behavior where there is none.

You mean the quotes that explain that I did what I did to get us out of RVS.

You seem desperate to stop RVS and get a wagon started.

Contradictory much? Those two sentences were in the

same post

. You admit to actively trying to get us out of RVS then accuse someone else of being "desperate" to get out?

@everyone: Stuff is happening. Any thoughts?

Stuff is indeed happening.

[Umbrage]

Contradictory much? Those two sentences were in the same post. You admit to actively trying to get us out of RVS then accuse someone else of being "desperate" to get out?

There's a difference between moving out of RVS and trying to start a premature bandwagon.

That doesn't mean that you can't give a straight answer.

Why should I have given him an answer when I knew any answer I gave would be bullshit?

I don't think anything of him. You're the one who brought him up. As for why I said he was a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS, I said it to see if you would suddenly find it scummy after I said it, or back off of conspiracy. I don't obviously regard it as a scumtell, and I never said I did.

Yet, you strongly implied that I should find him scummier than ConSpiracy. Why?

[DarthYoshi]

@Conspiracy--first, why the need to exit us out of RVS? Second, why the need to do so with an unexplained bandwagon vote?

@Snake Eyes--why are you defending Conspiracy so hard?

@Umbrage--do you plan on making a vote at some point that doesn't look like an OMGUS vote?

@Krazy--so you're going to change your reasons for a vote just to keep a vote on a person you don't like? Lamesauce.

@Abelcain--not sure I liked your tactic, but I agree with your assessment of Krazy in #36.

[Krazy]

@Krazy--so you're going to change your reasons for a vote just to keep a vote on a person you don't like? Lamesauce.

What gave you the impression I don't like Ythan? A policy lynch doesn't have to be emotionally influenced, and although Ythan characterized it that way, it's interesting that you pick up with it so easily. Ythan is the sort of person that likes to characterize other players as angry whenever they confront him over his agonism. He attempts to equate any problem with him as a personal attack or emotionally motivated. That does not mean I actually dislike him, despite what he apparently wants you to believe.

Do you have a problem with my current vote on Ythan? You have no problem with him not voting? Are you now ignoring both non-votes or being selective?

[Umbrage]

@ DarthYoshi: I don't care if my vote 'looks' like OMGUS. Snake Eyes is my strongest scum read, which for page 2 isn't saying much admittedly, but I'm confident in my reasoning thus far. When I see someone surpass in scumminess, I will of course switch my vote over.