Newbie 1087: Welcome To The Jungle (Game Over)

[KittyMo]

Unvote vote

Kittymo

because voting for rayfrost or toxic is confusing. So better off with a rand.

Finding your own path is good, young Padawan. But, why is it confusing? Is there a particular reason it's difficult to form a stance on them?

Alternatively: KittyMo's a sparkly, glittering, cute little kitty. Why would you ever want to kill her? SCUM!

Emotional blackmail eh? I like this wagon already

Cuz I'm town.

lsdfkjmfkcvl;
*rage*

...Is all of this serious? If so, could you please elaborate on your second...err, statement.

Unvote; Vote: toxic

That's how you do it, folks.

Making unneccessarily vague posts is the key to victory? I'm not quite so sure about that.

There's nothing to explain. I was acting silly. RayFrost was doing it, nobody cared. I do it and I have to explain myself? That doesn't make sense. And do you know what it means when things don't make sense?

Were you being silly because RayFrost was? Also, if you don't like being asked why you do what you're doing, I expect you're not going to like this game. The other players in this game are trying to understand your motivations. Additionally, can you offer evidence for why it makes a person more likely to be scum if they don't make sense to you?

Actually, I'm fairly sure Tu Quoque Is more of a "You are a hypocrite, so anything you say is automatically wrong." He was saying that because RayFrost was doing it without consequence that he could do it as well. Similar logical fallacies, but not exactly the same. I would also like to point out that this is getting a bit into "srz bzns" as Dekes had said, and it's the first day in a newbie game. All that said...

UNVOTE, VOTE:Toxic

If you're concerned about getting into "srz bzns" and defending Toxic, can you explain the thought process behind voting him? You seem to be fence sitting.

Personally leaning towards Toxic but not comfortable with casting a L-1 vote.. still here and watching proceedings..

vote David Xanatos

Is there a reason you can't be voting/pressuring someone else? What are your thoughts on the "proceedings" thus far? How sure are you, exactly, of Toxic's guilt?

[jindori]

Unvote vote

Kittymo

because voting for rayfrost or toxic is confusing. So better off with a rand.

Finding your own path is good, young Padawan. But, why is it confusing? Is there a particular reason it's difficult to form a stance on them?

I was waiting to i could figure them out before i vote them. I didn't relise before the wagons sure have built fast.

[David Xanatos]

Kitty > Casting my vote wouldn't be simple pressure, it would leave him open (if my/our suspicions are misplaced) to a hammer vote. It's far too early to be confident enough in my suspicions to bring it to L-1.

Exactly? 76.34% at time of writing. If I must cast though, then I will, but as I said, I am not one for leaving it open to a hammer..

[KittyMo]

Kitty > Casting my vote wouldn't be simple pressure, it would leave him open (if my/our suspicions are misplaced) to a hammer vote. It's far too early to be confident enough in my suspicions to bring it to L-1.

I asked (or meant to ask) why you're not pressuring anyone else if you think he's being adequately pressured currently.

Exactly? 76.34% at time of writing. If I must cast though, then I will, but as I said, I am not one for leaving it open to a hammer..

I'm surprised how certain you are. Can you explain the top 3 scummy things he's done?

[David Xanatos]

1: In my eyes a major implication of non-public knowledge in #47. Seemed like an error, tipping his hand the wrong way somewhat.
2: (WIF)OMGUS vote, coupled with getting rather defensive, rather fast..
3: Claiming shenanigans. Apparently trying to get a wagon rolling and denying it with a cry of "but I only mentioned your name once!"...

[ajolin]

KittyMo: I wasn't defending him I was just talking about the actually semantics behind the logical fallacy the dude was talking about.

[toxictaipan]

There's nothing to explain. I was acting silly. RayFrost was doing it, nobody cared. I do it and I have to explain myself? That doesn't make sense. And do you know what it means when things don't make sense?

Were you being silly because RayFrost was? Also, if you don't like being asked why you do what you're doing, I expect you're not going to like this game. The other players in this game are trying to understand your motivations. Additionally, can you offer evidence for why it makes a person more likely to be scum if they don't make sense to you?

Not really

because

he was, but just because I felt like it, too. And no, I'm fine with them asking questions. That wasn't my point. All I was trying to say was that, yes, while RayFrost had some votes, he wasn't given the same amount of heat as me for being silly. I'll admit, I might have taken it a bit too far.

It was a silly mistake that I won't make again. Again, I apologize.

[Tasky]

Did you know that at any given time there exists a pair of antipodal points on the earth with the exact same temperature and barometric pressure?

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VOTECOUNT 1.3

toxictaipan (3/5): Twistedspoon, jindori, ajolin
jindori (2/5): RayFrost, toxictaipan
David Xanatos (1/5): KittyMo

Not voting (3): tylerjarvis, David Xanatos, Dekes

Deadline is 29.04 at 06:00 CET

[Twistedspoon]

...Is all of this serious? If so, could you please elaborate on your second...err, statement.

Rayfrost claimed on l-4

there was really no need for a townie to do so, just paranoid mafia

Did you know that at any given time there exists a pair of antipodal points on the earth with the exact same temperature and barometric pressure?

nope, but it sounds interesting

[RayFrost]

And so you fall right into line with my Xanatos gambit.

oh noes, another tvtroper :0

Alternatively: KittyMo's a sparkly, glittering, cute little kitty. Why would you ever want to kill her? SCUM!

Emotional blackmail eh? I like this wagon already

lolwut

Cuz I'm town.

lsdfkjmfkcvl;
*rage*

no need to claim on L-4 Compadré

well, not as town anyways

VOTE: Frost

...

"I'm town" is a roleclaim now? Geezus, the site meta's going downhill. Town != Townie = VT. Town = ALIGNMENT, Townie = ROLE. LEARN TEH DIFFERENCE AND YOU TOO CAN BE AS COOL AS ME.

[RayFrost]

Vote: tylerjarvis

Scum.

o rly?

VOTE: RayFrost

You know more than Ray does?

I just don't think scum would be stupid enough to say 'no, I know he's not scum'
However, I admit that's a wifom reason

therefore I approve of the toxic wagon. However, I'm still cool with the frost one for now (cool, frost geddit? xp)

anyways, you might want to explain yourself, toxic

This post is saying "I disagree with the reason you find this person scummy but I approve of his wagon... I'm gonna stick with this bigger one for now, though" - Nice Keeping Your Options Open, Scum.

[Twistedspoon]

'cuz I'm town' has no weight in a game of mafia

there was no reason to tell us that you're town so early unless you're paranoid scum

on a new topic, what is your opinion on toxic?

[Twistedspoon]

This post is saying "I disagree with the reason you find this person scummy but I approve of his wagon... I'm gonna stick with this bigger one for now, though" - Nice Keeping Your Options Open, Scum.

how Am i keeping my options open?

my vote

is

on toxic, whose wagon i approved of

[Twistedspoon]

anyways, there's nothing wrong with saying that i find 2 players scummy, but one more scummy than the other

if that's keeping my options open then why not?

[RayFrost]

You say that like I was the only one.

"well frosty did it too" *walks off*

yeah, that hardly stops you from being scum now does it?

Mudslinging = scumtell

Mudslinging = scumtell indeed. That's why you're scum. Well part of why. The other part is the mafia role PM sitting in your PM box. That's a pretty big scumtell too.

Here's how you're mudslinging:

You're going to great lengths to point out how toxic is scummy but are maintaining a vote on me while fueling the wagon on him when you're vote on me is essentially a vote based upon what is no reasoning whatsoever that could possibly be considered in any way serious (unless "lol emotional blackmail" is srs bznz, in which case you've got much to learn). Keeping a Serious-RV (a serious vote with RV-level lulzreasons) on someone when you're going to rather mentionable lengths to call someone else scum = mudslinging.

So yeah, twistedspoon is scum not town. Toxic and xanatos are probably town, kittymo is still

sparkly kitten, x aligned IC.

[RayFrost]

This post is saying "I disagree with the reason you find this person scummy but I approve of his wagon... I'm gonna stick with this bigger one for now, though" - Nice Keeping Your Options Open, Scum.

how Am i keeping my options open?

my vote

is

on toxic, whose wagon i approved of

Vote came after the post. Attempt to nullify my point = failure. Moving on.

[RayFrost]

'cuz I'm town' has no weight in a game of mafia

there was no reason to tell us that you're town so early unless you're paranoid scum

on a new topic, what is your opinion on toxic?

True.

Actually, there was and is. Aside from the fact I'm town, ofc. There's also the this thing called reaction fishing. Learn it. Live it. LOVE IT.

Prob-town because you're prob-scum and the fact the wagon shot through full steam ahead choo-choo with no resistance before me based upon relatively spurious reasoning.

[RayFrost]

anyways, there's nothing wrong with saying that i find 2 players scummy, but one more scummy than the other

if that's keeping my options open then why not?

So you find me legitimately scummy based upon my joking posts that happen to also be attempts to fish for reactions from those that can't read humor over the internet. Cool. Great reasons, truly astounding, etc.

[RayFrost]

You say that like I was the only one.

"well frosty did it too" *walks off*

yeah, that hardly stops you from being scum now does it?

Mudslinging = scumtell

Worth noting:

Misrepresentation = scumtell

Mudslinging is not what toxic did. He was making a rather good point (if inaccurate) of "he and I did the same things - how am I scummy when he isn't?" Mudslinging would be an attempt at trying to move the topic and suspicion towards me based off of it, which is what he didn't do it. So yeh. He didn't mudsling, and misrepresentation is a scumtell.

Choo-choo on teh spoon.

[Twistedspoon]

i like how your last 4 posts have been calling for my wagon yet you don't even vote me yourself

Hippocracy there for you

you clearly want other townies to lynch me so you can keep your hands clean after my lynch becuase you know I'll be flipping town, scum

[Twistedspoon]

dekes, what is your view on this joker?

[RayFrost]

Eh? Could've sworn I had voted....

Let's amend that now.

Vote: TwistedSpoon

[RayFrost]

i like how your last 4 posts have been calling for my wagon yet you don't even vote me yourself

Hypocrisy there for you

you clearly want

other townies

to lynch me so you can keep your hands clean after my lynch becuase you know I'll be flipping town, scum

Fixed your spelling on hypocrisy for personal sanity.

Saying I think you're scum isn't necessarily equivalent to calling for your wagon. The difference? I'm not demanding other people vote you. I'm explaining why I was voting you (though I forgot my vote...)

notrly - my point about you was not just the whole you aren't voting him schpiel. Nice misrep there. You're getting more subtly with it, though.

lol. Bolded. Scumslip in your own attempt at calling me scum based upon still a complete lack of real reasoning.

[Twistedspoon]

Choo-choo on teh spoon.

this is calling for my wagon mate; you're asking others to vote for me on a 'wagon train'

and actually i spelt hipocracy correctly, although your American spelling is probably different to the UK one

other townies? I meant townies as in townspeople if you prefer it that way.

Eh? Could've sworn I had voted....

Oldest trick in the scumbook. Looking to keep your hands clean should i flip town and using the two excuses of yours:
'I could've sworn'
and
'Cuz I'm town'

[jindori]

Choo-choo on teh spoon.

this is calling for my wagon mate; you're asking others to vote for me on a 'wagon train'

and actually i spelt hipocracy correctly, although your American spelling is probably different to the UK one

other townies? I meant townies as in townspeople if you prefer it that way.

Eh? Could've sworn I had voted....

Oldest trick in the scumbook. Looking to keep your hands clean should i flip town and using the two excuses of yours:
'I could've sworn'
and
'Cuz I'm town'

So who in your opions scummier ray or toxic.